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Wild Rho
Amarr
Silent Core
Posted - 2007.09.14 19:41:00 - [91]
 

By 2012 the only thing that will happen is people will have come up with a new date for the end of the world.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.09.14 20:14:00 - [92]
 

As far as i understood the Mayan calender, it is cyclic, not finite. If 2012 comes out as the end of a cycle, it could mean 2 things: Either some event sets the new cycle in motion, or the calendar system simply restarts (nothing happens).

Furthermore, iirc the Mayan calendar runs for about 5000 years, so there should be some evidence that something happened at that time, however, the world actually 'started' at around 3000 BC, it didn't end. From a Mayan's perspective, we might simply see a paradigm shift in human society, and not a physical 'end of the world'. I should look it up again though.


If there would be something on course to our planet, it would be visible, especially given the size some doomsayers attribute to it. We do know gravity quite well, even amateur astronomers can reasonably accurately tell if a planet goes out of it's orbit (which should happen given this planet x's size) due to such a huge mass. Any cospiracy would simply fail to hide this due to the spreading of knowledge about the subject.


The earth's magnetic field doesn't simply 'switch'. You're looking at geological timescales here, and while we may see an effect in our lifetime, it will probably do us a lot less harm than we might think. If it would happen like a digital on/off switch, the planet would simply explode given the forces working on it in such a short time frame, and given the fact that this happened before, we can safely assume that it didn't.


Then you have the earth's geological activity as a whole. We already had an ice-age about 10,000 years ago, which might coverup the fact that a 'switch' already happened. Of course, i can't be sure of this, but it would seem very strange for an ice age to occur randomly with no actual geological event setting it in motion. As far as i know, there wasn't an iceage before that either, at least not in our reckoning.


Then there's the 'prophets'. One can take their predictions as fact on only 1 condition: That they were never wrong. Nostradamus followers usually quote the predictions that have 'come true', however, some of these could simply have been engineered (the london fire and the 'lion' duel), which is not that hard to do (what happenes if you set fire to a city built of what's basically firewood?). Above that, Nostradamus made numerous other predictions. So far, no one has talked about the ones that didn't come true. If you make as much 'predictions' as Nostradamus has made, you're bound to get some right, as he was usually very vague in them. I'm sure that everyone can just flick on their TV and watch the 'cold reading' episode of South Park for a hilarious example of this.


This goes on and on and on and on. We've already past the apocalypse several times according to many civilizations. Who's to say who got it right? Why are we only paying attention to the 'prophecies' that are conveniently placed in our timeframe or are phrased in favour of some demented theory?

There are no prophecies. Nothing has ever been prevented by interpreting them, and nothing has ever come true by interpreting them. They have always only been validated after the fact had happened by attributing metaphors to convenient factors.



Of course, i secretly want something like in Shadowrun to happen, really. I want magic... Which would be an upset, wouldn't it? But i guess such esoteric ways of interpreting prophecies are lost on people who prophecize death and destruction, who then fall back into their chair to watch some soccer game and talk about their book of the month.

If the world would come to an end in 2012 we wouldn't be discussing it on this forum.

MassonA
Caldari
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.09.14 20:25:00 - [93]
 

o noes globil warmign Crying or Very sad

Sean Dillon
Caldari
Surreal corp
Posted - 2007.09.14 20:51:00 - [94]
 

There have been alot of doom sayers in the past, all of them now lie in their coffins. But the world still exists.

Cemetary
Spartan Hoplites
Rare Faction
Posted - 2007.09.14 21:58:00 - [95]
 

It is faker than a fake thing posted by a fake dude on Fakeday.

Imperator Jora'h
Posted - 2007.09.14 22:50:00 - [96]
 

TBPFH if a Brown Dwarf is on a collision course with earth there is not a thing to be done about it anyway. Every nuke in the world and 1000x more wouldn't do a thing to stop or deflect it. Digging a hole and going to hide in it won't help. Hiding on some remote mountain top won't help. Not even sending Bruce Willis to go land on it and blow it up will work.

About the best we could do is build a generation ship in an attempt to save a kernel of humanity and fling it into space and hope.

In the meantime I'm not going to worry about it and enjoy myself as best I can.

Leora Nomen
Amarr
Posted - 2007.09.15 00:53:00 - [97]
 

People have been waiting for the end of the world for many 1000s of years now. In the mean time they have been dying from diseases and old age and killing each other and each other's families quite well.

Of all the possible threats to life on our planet, there is one that has already started and is slowly progressing. No need to look at the stars and ancient calendars to see what's going to happen in the next 50 or so years, just watch An Incovenient Truth.

Caid Lemant
Cunning Hats
Posted - 2007.09.15 01:00:00 - [98]
 

Quote:
TBPFH if a Brown Dwarf is on a collision course with earth there is not a thing to be done about it anyway. Every nuke in the world and 1000x more wouldn't do a thing to stop or deflect it. Digging a hole and going to hide in it won't help. Hiding on some remote mountain top won't help. Not even sending Bruce Willis to go land on it and blow it up will work.

About the best we could do is build a generation ship in an attempt to save a kernel of humanity and fling it into space and hope.

In the meantime I'm not going to worry about it and enjoy myself as best I can.


There is no brown dwarf on a collision course with earth.

Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
Posted - 2007.09.15 03:07:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Caid Lemant


There is no brown dwarf on a collision course with earth.


What he's saying is that if there is, we're all FUBAR anyways, so why sweat it?

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.09.15 03:10:00 - [100]
 

Well if we're all wrong and see it coming, I vow to throw the biggest doomsday kegger party and ya'all are invited.

Tentacle Girl
Posted - 2007.09.15 11:01:00 - [101]
 

Planet X isn't supposed to hit the earth, it will be billions of miles away but will screw with our sun enough to cause global catastrophes, or so they claim.

Lal QelThyr
CB Industries
Posted - 2007.09.15 13:26:00 - [102]
 

Just one thing about the "solar panels using more energy to create than they ever manufacture." This is no longer quite true. Private grade panels are like this, however in the last few years, commercial grade panels have broken that cycle and have a slightly higher energy created/energy lost ratio.

Korosoka
Posted - 2007.09.15 14:11:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/09/2007 21:13:11
Originally by: Tentacle Girl
Is this just some money making scheme to sell books? Anyone know something juicy which proves it either fake or real?


Hard to say, but the information is not to sell books. Even Nostradamus predicted a large asteroid to hit the earth in 2012. Pics: Linkage, video: Linkage.

I dont want to believe it though, and in any case, I dont want to know until I have to. Smile



Uhm.. no he did not

Some people have INTERPRETED what he said as that. But then when it comes to good old Nostro, people have a million wild theories and stories to back up their silly belief that he could really predict anything.

Korosoka
Posted - 2007.09.15 14:13:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Lal QelThyr
Just one thing about the "solar panels using more energy to create than they ever manufacture." This is no longer quite true. Private grade panels are like this, however in the last few years, commercial grade panels have broken that cycle and have a slightly higher energy created/energy lost ratio.


Actually the energy payback on solar panels is about 4-5 years, and they last for 30+ years.

Cornucopian
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2007.09.15 17:35:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Cornucopian on 15/09/2007 17:35:45
Originally by: Ilvan
Edited by: Ilvan on 13/09/2007 23:57:00
Edited by: Ilvan on 13/09/2007 23:53:56
That detailshere site is a gold mine of insanity.

Oh, and look what rears its ugly head. Should've known. Laughing
(damn its/it's)


I ****ing hate religious freaks. I ****ing hate them to death. Religion sux big wet papal balls.

edit: look ma, i just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread Evil or Very Mad

Captain Hudson
Caldari
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2007.09.15 17:56:00 - [106]
 


Jim McGregor
Posted - 2007.09.15 17:59:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Jim McGregor on 15/09/2007 18:00:10

Originally by: Captain Hudson
OMG!!!!


New World Order is not only America you know... its the entire world. Oh well, I dont feel like tinfoiling tonight...

But I almost laughed when they said it was anti-american. :)

Thorliaron
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.09.15 18:42:00 - [108]
 

also if the myans could predict the end of the world why could they not predict that they would get invaded and die off?

Dexxel Farcry
Gallente
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
Posted - 2007.09.17 05:07:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Dexxel Farcry on 17/09/2007 05:10:22
Lots of misconceptions in this thread....

#1. The Mayans didn't create thier calander. The Olmecs did. They in turn, passed it onto the Toltecs. Wether or not the Toltecs conquered them, or the society just simply changed paradiagms is unkown. Later on the Mayans came, and it was the same story there. There isn't just one calander either. There are multiple calanders. They didn't use a calander like we do. They used them to chart celestial events, or for the soltices or equinoxes. This better prepared them for religous rituals, and the harvest. They wern't just a supersticous bunch though, they were scientists. They charted the orbit of Pluto long before our society even knew it was there. I think, to say every artifact you find in archeaology is a religious symbol is perposturous. What will the future generations think of the Statue of Liberty if there is a mass extinction and all knowledge is lost? Probably will think it is an idol of some goddess representing the sun.

#2. The Idea of "Planet X", comes from the Sumerian creation myth. Yes it's true, the Sumerians believed that thier gods came from another planet. Not just from "the heavens". That much we know is true. What we don't know with any certainty is what Sichen has said. Which is that the Annunuaki came from Niribu and seeded life here. Engineered a speices to "do thier dirty work for them". Interestingly, the Sumerians also knew about Pluto, roughly 6000 years before it was "discovered". And they also charted an orbit of a rouge planet (one caught by the gravitational pull of the sun, not by the natural formation of our solar system) In a 3600 year eliptical orbit around the sun. They even had a ledgend about 2 warring factions. One that lived on Niribu, the other on Tiamat, which was destroyed in that war and is now our asteroid belt. Depending on what translation you read though, the story can be varied. They did speak of a pole shift when Niribu gets close. Talked about what happens to the weather, and how it causes great flooding. I don't know enough about magnetics to speak about what would happen during a pole shift, but massive flooding on the scale of Noahs ark would seem plausible, since water is an extremely powerful diamagnetic, if the poles suddenly shifted, it could concievably cause massive tidal waves, and global flooding on a biblical scale. But again, I am a student of ancient history, not of magnetics. Funny though, it seems the anceints where students of magnetics, if you've ever done any research you know what I mean.

Anyway. Myths, ledgends? I don't know. But at one time in our history, someone belived it enough to carve it on a stone tablet. And they knew about very advanced mathematics/geometry thousands of years before we did. They knew about Heavenly bodies in the farthest reaches of our solar system thousands of years before we figured out the world wasn't flat.

Anything is possible, but I wouldn't quit your job just yet.

Waut
Posted - 2007.09.17 07:56:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Tentacle Girl
Is this just some money making scheme to sell books?


Well duh

If I get a dollar for every time I heared the world will end...


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