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xOm3gAx
Caldari
Stain of Mind
Posted - 2007.09.13 23:55:00 - [31]
 

A major problem with that site is that it claims that if "planet x" comes to close to earth its magnetic field / gravity may be strong enough to stop our planetary rotation and/or disrupt our planets magnetic field both of which are highly unlikely for example if our planet suddenly stopped rotating we would lose all atmosphere and gravity thus killing everyone. (Even without the loss of atmosphere it would kill everyone as the magnetic field of our planet protects us from quite a bit of cosmic radiation that would otherwise fry us and everything else.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.09.14 00:11:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 14/09/2007 00:13:12
By the way Jim, I checked out that website you got the images from and it appears to be a tad out of date.

I ran through a bunch of the paragraphs (not all as the poster likes to use large words to extend his sentences and sound smart and most paragraphs were just copies of earlier paragraphs) and according to them Planet X was supposed to pass us in may of 2003. They used the increase in weather changes as an example that it was getting close.

When it didn't get close they moved the date to some where between 2005-2009 and again the weather changes are the key to it with things like the massive tsunami that took out the entire lower coast of the middle east and Asia, the multiple large scale earthquakes we're having, and hurricanes that are wiping out cities like New Orleans. They even declared that at this point the planet should start being clear to the naked eye.

They also added in the jibberish about the US and Indonesia governments firing up marshal law and actually cordoning off entire cities.

All the information was back in 2003.

Then theres one last entry dated April 26, 2006 talking about a telescope placed in the antartic to track Planet X better as that's apparrantly the only spot you can actually get a look at it. They even show a picture of the station which I must add looks especially lovely considering the harsh conditions down there. Thinking this was a bogus deal I looked it up and sure enough, there is a telescope down there. I'm not sure where this site got the picture from though as the station didn't even fire up until february of this year and the photo I saw of it shows the harsh conditions and true buildings. The photo on that website looks like the building is in Iowa or something.

All in all, the last entry is over a year old save for a few tidbits here n there, half his links don't even work and many more take ya to some ****ed up websites. I don't even see any mention on that website about 2012. The pictures that they received from Nasa, well, I wish they would give information of where they got the picture from so I can view that link and make an analysis of my own.


Edit: Oh yeah, And they mentioned that we have a hard time seeing it because it's a brown dwarf. Brown dwarfs as I recall, aren't planets but suns at the end stages of life, but atleast that would explain the massive size.

Azrael Maxim
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.09.14 00:16:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Azrael Maxim on 14/09/2007 00:18:53

That telescope they mentioned is being used to do research into darkmatter and darkenergy funnily enough =)

http://spt.uchicago.edu/

Check this very interesting explanation by Professor Stephan Meyer (quicktime) amongst others.

Multimedia stuff

Tauscha Vald'or
Posted - 2007.09.14 00:24:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: xOm3gAx
example if our planet suddenly stopped rotating we would lose all atmosphere and gravity thus killing everyone.


Which side are you on?

You are confusing centrifugal force with gravity. The spinning of the earth does not keep us on it. The gravitational pull of the earth keeps us on it. Now if we were living on the inside of a cosmic bucket and the cosmic 10 year old was swinging us in cosmic circles, the force keeping us on the inside of the cosmic bucket would be centrifugal force....not gravity.

If the earth became tidally locked, like the moon, one side would get very warm, and the other would get very cold. Any survivors, if any, might find a somewhat livable zone somewhere on the day-night terminator. Global weather would get very interesting.

No doubt we would all just kill each other instead.

Remember kids, gravity is the force that two bodies in proximity exert on each other to attract each other. What is it? Inverse square rule? Hmm, need to brush up again.

And for years the media has been incorrectly describing what the astronauts (and cosmonauts, to my Russian friends) experience as "weightlessness" while that is the apparent state, it is actually better termed as "free fall". Where the pull of gravity is offset by the constantly falling state of an orbiter.

To get true "weightlessness", you could try a LaGrange Point. where the gravitational pull of the moon and the earth balance each other out.

Oh well, on to bigger fish.

And yes, we are protected by the Earth's magnetic field....specifically a torus of charged particles called the Van Allen Belts, which is held in place by the magnetic field of the Earth.

Tauscha Vald'or
Posted - 2007.09.14 00:26:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich


Edit: Oh yeah, And they mentioned that we have a hard time seeing it because it's a brown dwarf. Brown dwarfs as I recall, aren't planets but suns at the end stages of life, but atleast that would explain the massive size.


Hey, when you are pulling your science out of your ass, who can be bothered to differentiate between a planet and a star?

Laughing

Atama Cardel
Perkone
Posted - 2007.09.14 02:12:00 - [36]
 

Quote:
Centrifugal force


Isn't real, there is no force there, as there would be an opposite force pushing/pulling back in the opposite direction. What actually is there is inertia, when you, say spin a bucket of water around, the water's mass doesn't want to travel in that circle but rather keep going in a straight line causing the sensation of some unseen force trying to pull the water away, make sense? Sorry, it just annoys me when people use that term Confused

Derovius Vaden
Posted - 2007.09.14 02:13:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or
Originally by: xOm3gAx
example if our planet suddenly stopped rotating we would lose all atmosphere and gravity thus killing everyone.


Which side are you on?

You are confusing centrifugal force with gravity. The spinning of the earth does not keep us on it. The gravitational pull of the earth keeps us on it. Now if we were living on the inside of a cosmic bucket and the cosmic 10 year old was swinging us in cosmic circles, the force keeping us on the inside of the cosmic bucket would be centrifugal force....not gravity.

If the earth became tidally locked, like the moon, one side would get very warm, and the other would get very cold. Any survivors, if any, might find a somewhat livable zone somewhere on the day-night terminator. Global weather would get very interesting.

No doubt we would all just kill each other instead.

Remember kids, gravity is the force that two bodies in proximity exert on each other to attract each other. What is it? Inverse square rule? Hmm, need to brush up again.

And for years the media has been incorrectly describing what the astronauts (and cosmonauts, to my Russian friends) experience as "weightlessness" while that is the apparent state, it is actually better termed as "free fall". Where the pull of gravity is offset by the constantly falling state of an orbiter.

To get true "weightlessness", you could try a LaGrange Point. where the gravitational pull of the moon and the earth balance each other out.

Oh well, on to bigger fish.

And yes, we are protected by the Earth's magnetic field....specifically a torus of charged particles called the Van Allen Belts, which is held in place by the magnetic field of the Earth.


Without the rotation of the Earths molten core with respect to its solid core, there would be no Magnetic field (as you already mentioned). What you didn't mention is that the loss of this shield would turn our planet into a mucho grande burrito in the cosmic microwave, set on high for about 20 million years (until the sun stops its hydrogen burning cycle).

Tidally locked or not, there would be no one here to give a ****.

Lal QelThyr
CB Industries
Posted - 2007.09.14 02:19:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Lal QelThyr on 14/09/2007 02:21:42
Linkage

(EDIT: I dont care if it actually relates to what you said. I have been waiting to use that link for ages, and goshdarnit I aint changing it. Very Happy)

oDDiTy V2
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.09.14 02:22:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Lal QelThyr
Linkage


XKCD ftw.

Imperator Jora'h
Posted - 2007.09.14 02:53:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 14/09/2007 02:55:06
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Without the rotation of the Earths molten core with respect to its solid core, there would be no Magnetic field (as you already mentioned). What you didn't mention is that the loss of this shield would turn our planet into a mucho grande burrito in the cosmic microwave, set on high for about 20 million years (until the sun stops its hydrogen burning cycle).

Tidally locked or not, there would be no one here to give a ****.


The molten core is important. Stopping the earth spinning I am not sure would stop the core though since certainly convection currents would come into play.

Besides, tidally locked does not mean not spinning. The moon rotates even though it is tidally locked to the earth. The "dark side" of the moon is a misnomer as all "sides" of the moon receive as much sunlight as any other. In fact the earth's rotation is slowing down and will eventually be tidally locked to the moon as well so one face of the earth always be pointed at the moon. The earth will still be rotating though...just once every 30 days. It will be a few billion years yet before that happens...there is a lot of momentum to bleed off.

And the sun has a LOT more life left in the old girl than 20 million years. At around 4.5 billion years old the sun is middle aged. It has another good 4-5 billion years left to go before it starts fusing helium.

Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
Posted - 2007.09.14 03:08:00 - [41]
 

Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see Armageddon soon...

Imperator Jora'h
Posted - 2007.09.14 03:17:00 - [42]
 

As for Planet X it is provably a load of bunk if anyone here would bother to look and engage their gray matter once in awhile.

From another forum I have gotten to know Phil Plait (aka The Bad Astronomer) and a favorite past time of his is debunking bogus claims as well as general education of the masses.

I'll quote some parts here with a link so you can read more for yourself. This assumes you will actually accept stuff as proof like math and gravity and a boat load of evidence and common sense rather than believing some conspiracy theory just cuz.

Quote:
A mature brown dwarf glows in infrared. It has a temperature of something like 1000 to 2500 degrees Celsius. An object that hot puts out very little visible light, but gives off more infrared. Not that they're all that bright: they are so faint that the first brown dwarf discovered, named Gliese 229b, eluded detection until 1995! It glows feebly at about magnitude 25 in visible light. That makes it roughly 1/40,000,000th the brightness of the faintest star visible to the unaided eye, and takes a fair sized telescope to see at all.

However (and this is a big however), Gliese 229b is a long way off: about 18 light years away, or roughly 200 trillion kilometers! If we go with Mr. Hazlewood's claim that Planet X is a brown dwarf, we can assume it is much like Gliese 229b. At a distance of even Pluto's orbit, Planet X would be a billion times brighter, glowing visibly at magnitude 2, making it a relatively bright star! Mind you, as I write this (July 2002) it must be significantly closer to us than Pluto, and proportionally brighter. It would be the third brightest object in the sky (only the Moon and Sun would be brighter). We don't see it, which leads me to the conclusion that it doesn't exist.

<snip>

Finally, a brown dwarf may be puny compared to a star, but can be very massive compared to a planet. Ms. Lieder claims that Planet X has a mass something like 5 times the Earth's mass, which is more like a normal planet than a brown dwarf. Either way, something this massive plowing through the solar system would be greatly affecting the orbits of the outer planets. However, the planets appear to be just where they should assuming Planet X does not exist.

Conclusion: Doomsayers claim Planet X is a brown dwarf (or even a massive planet). However, it's not hard to see that there can be no such brown dwarf anywhere near the Earth. Therefore, the claims are wrong.

<snip>

Planet X is claimed to be on an orbit that brings it close to the Sun every 3600 years. Now, if we assume that this orbit obeys the laws of gravity, then we can calculate its distance at any given time. This depends on the math of gravity, which is pretty well understood.

However, the equations used to figure distance based on orbital velocity are not simple, but I used the method as described by Dr. Joseph Gallant, Assistant Professor of Physics at Kent State University, which allows for plug-and-chug solutions. I find that in one year, Planet X must be about 900 million kilometers away from the Earth, give or take a hundred million. This is much closer to Earth than Saturn, and just a bit farther than Jupiter!

<snip>

I have written up detailed notes on how I arrived at this figure: what assumptions I made and how I calculated it. They are on the "Planet X and Orbit Math page. There is a fair bit of math there, but hopefully I have made it clear what I did and why I did it.

So, Planet X was roughly the same distance to us a Saturn in May 2002, it should have been at least as bright as Saturn and getting brighter by the minute. Saturn is one of the brightest objects in the sky. We see nothing like this, so again I conclude Planet X does not exist.

SOURCE: Bad Astronomy

Imperator Jora'h
Posted - 2007.09.14 03:24:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Amarria Black
Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see Armageddon soon...


There have been doomsayers throughout history. So far no one has gotten it right. Of course if Armageddon ever does happen there will doubtless be someone who "predicted" it and, assuming they are still around, use that as proof of their awesomness when in fact it is just blind luck.

Daelorn
Posted - 2007.09.14 03:24:00 - [44]
 

If this is true than, haha, you're all screwed, I know I'll survive! Very Happy

Tauscha Vald'or
Posted - 2007.09.14 03:25:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Atama Cardel
Quote:
Centrifugal force


Isn't real, there is no force there, as there would be an opposite force pushing/pulling back in the opposite direction. What actually is there is inertia, when you, say spin a bucket of water around, the water's mass doesn't want to travel in that circle but rather keep going in a straight line causing the sensation of some unseen force trying to pull the water away, make sense? Sorry, it just annoys me when people use that term Confused



I was hoping he had heard the term. After all, this was in response to a guy that said if the earth stopped spinning, we would all fly off.

Sometimes there is a thing as dumbing it down too much for the masses.

Mmm, masses.

Azrael Maxim
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.09.14 03:37:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Amarria Black
Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see Armageddon soon...


'I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this
Bull**** three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks'

Yeah that album of Tool rocks.

Imperator Jora'h
Posted - 2007.09.14 03:39:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or
I was hoping he had heard the term. After all, this was in response to a guy that said if the earth stopped spinning, we would all fly off.

Sometimes there is a thing as dumbing it down too much for the masses.

Mmm, masses.


Funny thing is earth's rotation actually makes us weigh less (you weigh less on the equator [where you are moving fastest due to the earth's rotation] than you do at the poles).

Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
Posted - 2007.09.14 03:47:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Azrael Maxim
Originally by: Amarria Black
Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see Armageddon soon...


'I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this
Bull**** three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks'

Yeah that album of Tool rocks.


Thank you. After Imperator Jora'h completely bombed I came very close to losing all faith in this forum. And indeed, that's a good freaking album. Hell, most any album from Tool is chock full o' win. Not to mention that their stage shows are second-to-none.

Oh, and learn to swim. ^_^

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.09.14 04:09:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Amarria Black
Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see Armageddon soon...


There have been doomsayers throughout history. So far no one has gotten it right. Of course if Armageddon ever does happen there will doubtless be someone who "predicted" it and, assuming they are still around, use that as proof of their awesomness when in fact it is just blind luck.


I wonder what the doomsayers would do after the end of the world comes and go? Would they be like 'Well my work is done here' and just walk off into the sunset?

Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
Posted - 2007.09.14 04:19:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

I wonder what the doomsayers would do after the end of the world comes and go? Would they be like 'Well my work is done here' and just walk off into the sunset?


Funny enough, if 1% of the human race survives their little end-of-the-world scenario, the odds of doomsayers being bumped off by the event are... well, whaddayaknow? 99%, just like the rest of us! Of course, for some strange reason, most of them think they'll survive.

Now, since I've done what I can to pad my odds of surviving all but the nastiest apocalypse, what I'll do is go, "Hmm, guess they were right," and then go shoot my lunch.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.09.14 04:25:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

I wonder what the doomsayers would do after the end of the world comes and go? Would they be like 'Well my work is done here' and just walk off into the sunset?


Funny enough, if 1% of the human race survives their little end-of-the-world scenario, the odds of doomsayers being bumped off by the event are... well, whaddayaknow? 99%, just like the rest of us! Of course, for some strange reason, most of them think they'll survive.

Now, since I've done what I can to pad my odds of surviving all but the nastiest apocalypse, what I'll do is go, "Hmm, guess they were right," and then go shoot my lunch.


Granted your lunch survives the end of the world...

Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
Posted - 2007.09.14 04:32:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Granted your lunch survives the end of the world...


Yeah, that's assuming that:

1) I survive the apocalypse event.
2) I'm somewhere near my firearms.
3) My lunch survives the apocalypse event.
4) Going outside doesn't equal death.
5) My lunch is still fit to be eaten.
6) I have enough freedom of travel to get to where my lunch is.

My simple point: don't anticipate, plan. Scout's Motto: Be Prepared. Do what you can to be ready for any end-of-the-world event and then get on with your daily life.

Imperator Jora'h
Posted - 2007.09.14 04:39:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Granted your lunch survives the end of the world...


Yeah, that's assuming that:

1) I survive the apocalypse event.
2) I'm somewhere near my firearms.
3) My lunch survives the apocalypse event.
4) Going outside doesn't equal death.
5) My lunch is still fit to be eaten.
6) I have enough freedom of travel to get to where my lunch is.

My simple point: don't anticipate, plan. Scout's Motto: Be Prepared. Do what you can to be ready for any end-of-the-world event and then get on with your daily life.


Add a copy of the SAS Survival Handbook. Don't let the SAS part fool you. This is a supremely practical book for novices to experts written by the kind of guys who know this stuff inside and out. Keep a copy at home and one in the trunk of your car. Highly recommend it.

Azrael Maxim
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.09.14 04:46:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
book


Does it mention how to create a radiation suit out of twigs and fishbones ?

Kirex
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.09.14 04:46:00 - [55]
 

Rolling Eyes

Atama Cardel
Perkone
Posted - 2007.09.14 04:52:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or
Originally by: Atama Cardel
Quote:
Centrifugal force


Isn't real, there is no force there, as there would be an opposite force pushing/pulling back in the opposite direction. What actually is there is inertia, when you, say spin a bucket of water around, the water's mass doesn't want to travel in that circle but rather keep going in a straight line causing the sensation of some unseen force trying to pull the water away, make sense? Sorry, it just annoys me when people use that term Confused



I was hoping he had heard the term. After all, this was in response to a guy that said if the earth stopped spinning, we would all fly off.

Sometimes there is a thing as dumbing it down too much for the masses.

Mmm, masses.


Good point Smile

Imperator Jora'h
Posted - 2007.09.14 04:54:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 14/09/2007 05:02:58
Originally by: Azrael Maxim
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
book


Does it mention how to create a radiation suit out of twigs and fishbones ?


I'd have to check but the section on how to deal with brain eating zombies could come in handy. It's nicely broken into subsections of fast zombies versus slow zombies. Zombies that are nocturnal versus the 24 hour zombie. Semi-clever zombies (who can probably use a door knob to open a door) versus brain dead zombies that just seem puzzled by a door. Not to mention what to do with zombies whose body parts stay animate and come after you separately even when no longer part of the host.

People need to know these things.

Krulla
Minmatar
Miner Protection Guild
Posted - 2007.09.14 05:20:00 - [58]
 

I remember when OOPE was a rational forum.

Draxxxion
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.09.14 06:56:00 - [59]
 

Planet X is where the aliens who want to destroy humanity by using their giant robotic Godzilla and the enslaved real Godzilla, along with King Ghidra and Ghigan, live.



Laughing

Ealiom
EAT THE POOR
Posted - 2007.09.14 09:18:00 - [60]
 

The psuedo science and Laughing'factual'Laughing numbers thrown about in this thread is hilarious.

Im not even going to attempt to explain any of this because it will just be met with. Planet X is infused with Tachyons therefore invisible and awesome! Laughing

I'll leave the re-education to another forumite with much more patience!


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