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Hachun K'ar
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:22:00 - [391]
 

ZOMG

Server up! Server up! Server up! Servupp!Servupp!Servupp! Sup!!!!!!!!!

Lucia Warbler
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:23:00 - [392]
 

Yes, it's online now, but my region is not. Cool

*waits*

Xionicus
Gallente
Ealurian Wolves
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:23:00 - [393]
 

I'm in!

Peter VonThal
Raygun Technologies
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:23:00 - [394]
 

Originally by: Axexut

NOT defending THAT game - but 5mm users / what? 30 servers? About 166,666 players per server? And on patch day you know everyone's checking in to see their stuff.

I like EVE a lot better (SUPERIOR game and players) . . . but this line of argument doesn't stand.


WoW has 25 servers whose names start with the letter "A" alone. Not even gonna try to count them all, but you can check their realm status page.

Kasahara
Kat's Discount Weapon Emporium
NISYN Inc.
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:24:00 - [395]
 

Originally by: Agent Li
I think a lot of you are spoiled.

Most of you also seem to have no idea how hard it is to have a high volume, high availablility system.

It's more difficult than you think.

There are few high volume, high availability systems that support even 10% of the simultaneous users that Eve supports. The transaction volume also has to be extremely high.

Software and its underlying hardware is not as simple as some of you imagine - otherwise, you would all be out there, making money as software architecture gurus with equally impressive systems in your experience.

I'm surprised there isn't a whole day down every week, for scheduled maintenance and testing of deployed features (test servers are never the same as the production servers).

Stop your whining. I consider it a miracle that we get to play as often as we do.


/me signed

Grez
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:24:00 - [396]
 

Edited by: Grez on 11/09/2007 23:24:45
Originally by: Axexut

NOT defending THAT game - but 5mm users / what? 30 servers? About 166,666 players per server? And on patch day you know everyone's checking in to see their stuff.

I like EVE a lot better (SUPERIOR game and players) . . . but this line of argument doesn't stand.


Try 5,000 per server. That's the limit. They DO have 8 million subscribers, but not ALL of them play at the same time OR come from the same country, so they don't play on the same ones.

Eyal Thorn
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:24:00 - [397]
 

Originally by: Axexut
Originally by: Coarl
Originally by: Skarvl Mandoo
WoW doesn't crash on patch day.... Rolling Eyes


WoW servers also don't support up to 35,000 simultaneous players on the same shard Rolling Eyes




NOT defending THAT game - but 5mm users / what? 30 servers? About 166,666 players per server? And on patch day you know everyone's checking in to see their stuff.

I like EVE a lot better (SUPERIOR game and players) . . . but this line of argument doesn't stand.


Well, I say the argument stands better than your "outside the wrong ballpark numbers"...

WoW is about 5-6 million players in EU/US combined (as far as one can tell), but they have about 440-450 shards (just over 220 in EU/US respectively).
So if we take the rough numbers of 6mill/400 shards thats 15k (overestimated numbers as you can see, but a factor 10 lower than yours) people per shard.
EVE also distributes load over "shards" (nodes) in a way, but the big difference is the huge database behind it. EVE has "one" (probably many, but all interconnected and available to the whole population at the same time).
Even with 10 chars per account and assuming that players have all their chars on one server, the size of their databases are "toys" compared to EVEs as they are isolated for each shard, there are caps on items (bank, bags, inventory), there is no market and transaction history etc. etc.
So pretty different from a computing technology standpoint IMHO.

Cheers
Eyal

adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
Nair Al-Zaurak
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:25:00 - [398]
 

Edited by: adriaans on 11/09/2007 23:25:36
Yay, it works! Great job! Very Happy


and how the .... did some manage to logg on before me in my systemShocked

ohh..and taking no chances now, several days skill set to trainLaughing

Shy Killer
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:25:00 - [399]
 

If CCP really wants to make up for the atrocious service and problems and show some good faith to their faithful user base by upping 1 loaded skill of the users choice to level 5, that will more than make up for the constant downtime and problems, people are losing skill time, ships, money and most importantly the enjoyment of the game. I feel that will, especially since it can be any one skill that has been loaded, make up for all of the above mentioned. Just a thought, but what are the chances, CCP is just happy taking money and overlooking the problems that has arisen long before now. Never ignore a new type of server crash, it always comes back.

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2007.09.11 23:25:00 - [400]
 

Tranquility is now open for business, again. Smile

Remember that the server can be a bit slow after startup due to a lot of people trying to get in at the same time, so be careful the first 10-15 minutes. Wink

Lonk T1m3
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:26:00 - [401]
 

Originally by: Shy Killer
If CCP really wants to make up for the atrocious service and problems and show some good faith to their faithful user base by upping 1 loaded skill of the users choice to level 5, that will more than make up for the constant downtime and problems, people are losing skill time, ships, money and most importantly the enjoyment of the game. I feel that will, especially since it can be any one skill that has been loaded, make up for all of the above mentioned. Just a thought, but what are the chances, CCP is just happy taking money and overlooking the problems that has arisen long before now. Never ignore a new type of server crash, it always comes back.


GO AWAY GO AWAY GO AWAY
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Marux
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:27:00 - [402]
 

Originally by: Shy Killer
If CCP really wants to make up for the atrocious service and problems and show some good faith to their faithful user base by upping 1 loaded skill of the users choice to level 5, that will more than make up for the constant downtime and problems, people are losing skill time, ships, money and most importantly the enjoyment of the game. I feel that will, especially since it can be any one skill that has been loaded, make up for all of the above mentioned. Just a thought, but what are the chances, CCP is just happy taking money and overlooking the problems that has arisen long before now. Never ignore a new type of server crash, it always comes back.


Oh yes, Capital Ships 5 please Very Happy

Pirate Tom
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:28:00 - [403]
 

Originally by: Shy Killer
If CCP really wants to make up for the atrocious service and problems and show some good faith to their faithful user base by upping 1 loaded skill of the users choice to level 5, that will more than make up for the constant downtime and problems, people are losing skill time, ships, money and most importantly the enjoyment of the game. I feel that will, especially since it can be any one skill that has been loaded, make up for all of the above mentioned. Just a thought, but what are the chances, CCP is just happy taking money and overlooking the problems that has arisen long before now. Never ignore a new type of server crash, it always comes back.


They already give ya at least one level 5. You can even choose which one! ... They could start you off at a station with and Frigate 1, a newbie ship and a civilian gun, ya know.

Xionicus
Gallente
Ealurian Wolves
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:28:00 - [404]
 

Originally by: Peter VonThal
Originally by: Axexut

NOT defending THAT game - but 5mm users / what? 30 servers? About 166,666 players per server? And on patch day you know everyone's checking in to see their stuff.

I like EVE a lot better (SUPERIOR game and players) . . . but this line of argument doesn't stand.


WoW has 25 servers whose names start with the letter "A" alone. Not even gonna try to count them all, but you can check their realm status page.


Looks like they have about 210 servers total.

Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:30:00 - [405]
 

In all honesty, the prior patches went way to smoothly so this one makes up for them.

CCP working on the Hardware Laughing

What, you didn't know they run EVE out of Oveur's brain with full +7 Snakes.

CCP kieron

Posted - 2007.09.11 23:33:00 - [406]
 

The server team will continue to monitor TQ for any other issues that may arise throughout the course of the evening, as well as continuing to delve deeper into the hardware issues with all resources at our disposal. This most recent reboot looks promising, more so than previous reboots.

Again, we apologize for the inconvenience the recent server issues have caused the EVE community.

Lucia Warbler
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:34:00 - [407]
 

Drones survived. Smile Faction loot did not.

Good night!

Alaxen
Caldari
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2007.09.11 23:37:00 - [408]
 

Edited by: Alaxen on 11/09/2007 23:38:14
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
This really doesn't have anything to do with bad startup ETA's, more like murphy's law. Wink


So do what every other engineer on the planet does:

1) Guesstimate how long the work will take.
2) Treble the time.
3) Look good if it gets completed early.

If you'd done this initially it would have come up half an hour early. Wink

Axexut
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.09.12 00:13:00 - [409]
 

Originally by: Alaxen
Edited by: Alaxen on 11/09/2007 23:38:14
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
This really doesn't have anything to do with bad startup ETA's, more like murphy's law. Wink


So do what every other engineer on the planet does:

1) Guesstimate how long the work will take.
2) Treble the time.
3) Look good if it gets completed early.

If you'd done this initially it would have come up half an hour early. Wink


Originally by: Alien

DALLAS: (Over the Coms) How long before we're functional.
BRET: (To Parker) 17 hours.
PARKER: (Over the Coms) 25 hours.



Eralus
Posted - 2007.09.12 00:45:00 - [410]
 

The thing about the way EVE cuts up the workload is that it's not very good.

For example, Jita gets lagged to hell when you get 600-800 people in it. Counting people in stations. And when you're in a station in Jita, a lot of things lag to hell for you - things as simple as moving items from the station hanger to your ship cargo bay.

One should have nothing to do with the other. There's no reason that someone in a station in Jita should be on the same node as someone in space in Jita. Once you're in a station, put that user on the least-worked node available.

Along similar lines, the next thing that should be done in the whole 'need for speed' initiative is allowing people in different grids to be on different nodes.

isca
Gallente
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.09.12 01:38:00 - [411]
 

there it goes again.... Rolling Eyes

Ruff Ceyx
Amarr
Invicta.
Posted - 2007.09.12 02:03:00 - [412]
 

.....

The Dead
Minmatar
CAD Inc.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2007.09.12 02:03:00 - [413]
 

ooops, it did it again!

Rei Sara
Posted - 2007.09.12 02:04:00 - [414]
 

-Queues up Daft Punk - One More Time-

Bryan Havoc
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2007.09.12 02:04:00 - [415]
 

Third time today...

This is ridiculous.

DirtyHarry
Posted - 2007.09.12 02:04:00 - [416]
 

Quake wars demo is out, cough hint nudge

Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
Posted - 2007.09.12 02:04:00 - [417]
 

Edited by: Vrabac on 12/09/2007 02:03:59
Tranquility is now up and open for business, take care and fly safe!

\o/

You know, if a newcomer takes a look at what you pessimists say, he might get an impression server goes down all the time... LaughingLaughingLaughing

Yorick Downe
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2007.09.12 02:04:00 - [418]
 

Rabble!!!

Katharina Gorbacheva
Amarr
Soviet Star Federation
Posted - 2007.09.12 02:04:00 - [419]
 

FFS! Evil or Very Mad

Zephite
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2007.09.12 02:04:00 - [420]
 

What makes me sad is that i've got a skill ending in less than an hour and I'ma lost training time :(


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