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eleuthereus
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:37:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: eleuthereus on 10/09/2007 14:43:37
Edited by: eleuthereus on 10/09/2007 14:42:17
PART 1
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In a recent CAOD thread, a rather sad video was mentioned, wherein Goon pilots are shown ganking a carrier pilot who believed that he was joining them and trustingly came into Scalding Pass. In the thread that followed the CAOD post, one Goon pilot actually had the temerity to write:

"For a small processing fee you can have the honour of fighting the good fight against BoB and have access to all the riches of 0.0 space. In addition, Goonfleet provides free combat ships if you qualify" (Orangir)

A small processing fee? LOL. In a post I made back on May 31, 2007, I revealed the following:

BEGIN EXCERPT____________
Goons have actually scammed noobs/pubbies seeking to join Goonswarm! The scam is to interview the pilot and tell them that there has been a problem with corp spies, theives, etc. and that in order to join goons there is a XXX million ISK collateral fee that is paid up front, which is then returned after X amount of days. I have seen this amount be as high as 400million ISK. The unsuspecting wannabe-Goon hands over the ISK, and is then told to f*** off. Ha Ha Ha. As one Goon posted on the forums: "goonfleet has never and will never recruit from pubbies, and has stated this time and time and time again, also there is a long and storied history of goons scamming pubbies looking to join goonfleet" (Telefishopolis, April 26, 2007, Post #31). The most recent example of this that I found being guffawed at in the fourms occured in April. The chat between the pubbie and two Goonswarm members (Khefron and Dionysus Davinci) and a pilot seeking to join Goonswarm (dardwonder) was posted by Remedial on April 22, 2007 under the subject "A Great Corp Has 2 Cheaters." SO PUBBIES BEWARE - DO NOT TRY TO JOIN GOONFLEET OR GIVE THEM ANY ISK.

There was actually a time when even empire corps/alliances who wanted to join the Goonswarm Free Trade Zone were seen as potential victims of this kind of scamming. If memory serves me correctly, one corp was indeed scammed in this way. This, however, was stopped by The Mittani because it would have eventually ruined the GS plan to set up the FTZ. Oddly, The Mittani did NOT say stop scamming allies!!!! he simply said stop scamming them in this way using GS mains -- in other words, use alts and scam them other ways! I quote his post: "Don't do either [scam non-GS pilots trying to join the Free Trade Zone or the Swarm], it'd undoubtedly confuse pubbies about the FTZ. Scam them for other things that don't negatively impact our strategic interests (and thus make me want to stab you in the face)" (The Mittani, April 26, 2007, Post #18)
__________________ END EXCERPT

This is the heart of Goonswarm - treachery, deceit, abuse, griefing, betrayal, hurting others. Goons now seem to have taken such practices to a new low by not only ripping off trusting pilots, but actually luring them to Goon space in order to gank them. Pathetic, but so predictable.

eleuthereus
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:40:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: eleuthereus on 10/09/2007 14:43:06
Edited by: eleuthereus on 10/09/2007 14:42:46
PART 2
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If you want to know what Goons are like, read my original post. Here are a few other choice statements I quoted in that post, taken from a May 30, 2007 Goonswarm State of the Union Address, as read by Mawg Spawn:

- "We are fundamentally in this game to have fun at the expense of the people that we don't like, and that means 90% of Eve."
- "We are not here to be nice. We are here to be a**holes that make the rest of the galaxy p**s themeselves when they contemplate being invaded by us. We accomplish this by being the meanest, cruelest, most sadistic group in the game."
- "And we are proud of our pariah status. It is a badge of our warped honor."
- "Griefing Pranks - We're jerks, we've always been jerks. When we try not to be jerks, we stop having fun. . . . We have had our most fun in this game when we have been at our cruelest. When we are nice, we get bored"
- "Our focus in this game is wrecking people we don't like."


Goons need to be wiped off the face of the EVE map by friends and foes alike. Why? Because the Goons, unlike any other Alliance, are not the true friends of anyone! They "don't like," as Mawwg Spawn so clearly stated, "90% of EvE." Now think about what that statement turns out to mean in light of Mawg's follow-up admission: "Our focus in this game is wrecking people we don't like."

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? Answer: It means they want to wreck the game for 90% of players, which would obviously translate into their foes AND their allies.

In the aforementioned video, the poor pilot asks, "What's the point of this?" ALL OF EVE, LISTEN UP, read the above quotes. They explain the Goon's "point" of playing very, very clearly. THINK ABOUT IT.

In conclusion, allow me to state that GOONS CHEAT! Yes, I'll say it again, GOONS CHEAT! Wait, sorry. I take that back so as to not bring down any accusations against me. So I'll simply post the words of a Goon in local, who stated the following:

SYSTEM: JVIV
DATE: Not Too Long Ago

[11:43:45] Stahlregen > lv
[11:43:56] Stahlregen > we killed your titan, naaa naaa na na naaaaa.
........

[12:14:45] Stahlregen > dude, we actively refer to ourselves as the axis of evil, Our entire alliance's strategy is to win by griefing the other alliance into submission or havent you realised this yet.
[12:14:58] Stahlregen > We know we are dishounarable, we know we are evil, we know we cheat.
..........

[12:15:28] Stahlregen > dude, this is what i'm talking about.
[12:15:33] Stahlregen > We don't care.
[12:15:43] Stahlregen > The end always justifies the means.

Flow Befort
Caldari
Smart Military OmniOperations Group
White Noise.
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:40:00 - [3]
 

-dbp

Cippalippus Primus
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:41:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 10/09/2007 14:43:23
tl;dr

edit: ok i read a part of it. Interesting. We feed on pubbie tears so never stop posting.

forumus trollus
Minmatar
We live under bridges inc.
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:43:00 - [5]
 

*Snip* Please do not spam - Valorem

Ogodai John
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:46:00 - [6]
 

You mean, they are like, griefers??

Holy hell, what has eve become? Crying or Very sad

Vile rat
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:46:00 - [7]
 

Ahh that's where you ended up. Still ragin' the good rage I see.

DALE0404
Caldari
The Singularity Project
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:46:00 - [8]
 

Here is an idea, a wacky one I know!!

Forget about the North / South / East / West war or whatever.

JUST WIPE THE GOONS FROM EVE.

They are p***ks. Period.

Nhilist
Gallente
Art of War
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:48:00 - [9]
 

Posting in this singing spy thread.

Flow Befort
Caldari
Smart Military OmniOperations Group
White Noise.
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:48:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: DALE0404
Here is an idea, a wacky one I know!!

Forget about the North / South / East / West war or whatever.

JUST WIPE THE GOONS FROM EVE.

They are p***ks. Period.


qft

Brick0Joe
Caldari
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:49:00 - [11]
 

k
if they are scammers so what, i got scammed once, and the only person i can blame is myself and game mechanics :)

eleuthereus
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:51:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
Ahh that's where you ended up. Still ragin' the good rage I see.


Hello Vile. Actually, I wouldn't exactly label as a "rage" my one post 3 1/2 months ago + this one today. I would consider them little more than sporadic observations.

NO BRAKES
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:51:00 - [13]
 

I think ebil is pretty overused. Evil is still best but to be honest something like diabolical would be pretty cool too.

NO BRAKES
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:53:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: NO BRAKES on 10/09/2007 14:53:14
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Vile rat
Ahh that's where you ended up. Still ragin' the good rage I see.


Hello Vile. Actually, I wouldn't exactly label as a "rage" my one post 3 1/2 months ago + this one today. I would consider them little more than sporadic observations.


You obviously haven't gotten over us.

We've moved on, it wasn't you it was us, just live and learn, there's plenty of fish in the sea.

Kgisti
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:54:00 - [15]
 

*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Valorem (mods@ccpgames.com)

Flow Befort
Caldari
Smart Military OmniOperations Group
White Noise.
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:54:00 - [16]
 

eleuthereus, will you sing for us again please.

you're one chill duder

LeviUK
Caldari
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:54:00 - [17]
 

I don't care. I still hate you (read: general BoB/BoB affiliated alliances) more Sad

NO BRAKES
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:55:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Kgisti
Alliances the goons mock mercilessly on their own forums and would gladly scam, rob and attack if they were bored.



Please prove this.

Oh wait please prove you have a corp/ alliance 1st.

CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:58:00 - [19]
 

Why don't you call BoB to wipe us off the map?

Ogodai John
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:59:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Kgisti
Amazing and funny some of the alliances who have allied with the Goons.

Especially all the drone region alliances, and the alliances like KOS and POS. Alliances the goons mock mercilessly on their own forums and would gladly scam, rob and attack if they were bored.

They are such prats they make you think well of BoB.


Imagine one day they will probably just evict one of their pet alliances to take over their newly built outpost! IT'S AN OUTRAGE! Evil or Very Mad

Van Steiza
Caldari
4 chan
Posted - 2007.09.10 14:59:00 - [21]
 

Because they cantLaughing

Dr Paithos
Minmatar
Republic Deep Space Institute
Posted - 2007.09.10 15:01:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Flow Befort
eleuthereus, will you sing for us again please.

you're one chill duder


Singing references are useless without links.

eleuthereus
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.10 15:01:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: NO BRAKES
You obviously haven't gotten over us.We've moved on, it wasn't you it was us, just live and learn, there's plenty of fish in the sea.


Hello No Brakes. Actually, I got "over" you long ago. Hence, no further posts from me since the end of May reagrding Goons. However, I think this last antic w/ the carrier deserved a reminder from me about GS. Even if it hadn't been Goons who did this, I'd have probably still made a comment because it was such a lousy deed. But as long as it was Goons, I thought I'd simply go the extra mile and show that it goes along very well with the GS philosophy of play. That's all. I just wanted to inform/warn my fellow players -- friend and foe alike (in other words, the 90% of Eve that you don't like and whose gameplay you want to ruin, per Mawg Spawn).

Grantaire
Gallente
Boys and Girls Club of Oursalert
Posted - 2007.09.10 15:05:00 - [24]
 

You are a huge joke, mylp.

Flow Befort
Caldari
Smart Military OmniOperations Group
White Noise.
Posted - 2007.09.10 15:06:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Flow Befort on 10/09/2007 15:06:30
Originally by: Dr Paithos
Originally by: Flow Befort
eleuthereus, will you sing for us again please.

you're one chill duder


Singing references are useless without links.


http://www.tindeck.com/audio/my/1rjm7

Erotic Irony
Caldari
0bsession
Posted - 2007.09.10 15:07:00 - [26]
 

Hey I remember your last great troll attempt, it confirmed that you are the most naive person in eve.

Addendum: I skimmed some of the posts in that thread and you seem to claim you're a pvper yet according to the fatal board you can't fly anything t2 and you still don't know how to fit a caracal. I also count a dozen losses you haven't posted from razor.

gg

Dwaggysnaxx
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.09.10 15:11:00 - [27]
 

Oh, hello! Glad you enjoyed the video :-)

Interval
Amarr
DarkStar 1
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.09.10 15:14:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: NO BRAKES
You obviously haven't gotten over us.We've moved on, it wasn't you it was us, just live and learn, there's plenty of fish in the sea.


Hello No Brakes. Actually, I got "over" you long ago. Hence, no further posts from me since the end of May reagrding Goons. However, I think this last antic w/ the carrier deserved a reminder from me about GS. Even if it hadn't been Goons who did this, I'd have probably still made a comment because it was such a lousy deed. But as long as it was Goons, I thought I'd simply go the extra mile and show that it goes along very well with the GS philosophy of play. That's all. I just wanted to inform/warn my fellow players -- friend and foe alike (in other words, the 90% of Eve that you don't like and whose gameplay you want to ruin, per Mawg Spawn).


When I first read your original post, I kind of sympathized with you and maybe shared your sentiment even though your appeal to my emotions was obvious. After this post though I have to agree with the goonies and call you a pubbie. Grow up. THIS IS EVE!

eleuthereus
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.10 15:15:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: eleuthereus on 10/09/2007 15:21:12
Edited by: eleuthereus on 10/09/2007 15:17:06
Originally by: Erotic Irony
you are the most naive person in eve.


Doubtful. And, TBH, the issues I discuss are not really applicable to any other alliance besides GS. They are unique in Eve, which I suppose is an accomplishment of sorts.

Originally by: Erotic Irony
Addendum: I skimmed some of the posts in that thread and you seem to claim you're a pvper yet according to the fatal board you can't fly anything t2 and you still don't know how to fit a caracal. I also count a dozen losses you haven't posted from razor.


1. I do? I claim to be a PvPr? Actually, I believe I simply noted my kill stats as a way of showing that i was involved in the alliance, and not just someone sitting on the sidelines.
2. I can fly T2
3. I fit a caracal just fine.
4. A dozen losses I haven't posted??? Hardly. ROFL. I post all my losses. I don't know what boards you're looking at. Might want to check dates. Maybe losses were BEFORE I joined Fatal, which would mean those losses don't show on Fatal KB. Let me check ..... Yeah, just checked. Only 2 kills on Razor board are from my time in Fatal. The rest are from 2006 when I was in ASCN. You sir, are truly an expert researcher. RazzVery Happy

Moon Kitten
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.09.10 15:17:00 - [30]
 

Grief is something that everyone will experience at one time or another during their lifetime.

When a person experiences the loss of someone they love, either through divorce or death, they are forced to deal with grief. When a loss occurs, most of us are unprepared for how to handle it, especially if we have never had to deal with it before. Even if we have, it is still traumatic each time.

It's good to see you are dealing with the loss of Lotka Volterra Eleuthereus but you will have to move on. Don't let it cripple your life forever.


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