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Riivaaja
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.09.09 11:28:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Riivaaja on 09/09/2007 11:28:39
I had this idea last night and couldnt stop thinking about it ever since.

Imagine a United Nations Entity within Eve, its council and members would be all of the territory holding alliances, over time a charter could be developed created by the members of course,

here are some of the things it could handle.

Dispute resolution, border disputes, trade agreements, "the articles of war" rules of engagement, anything its members want to bring up and seek a binding agreement on.

Rules of POS warfare ? could be something in this one....

over time it could develop a peacekeeping force ?


i know the point of eve is heavly combat focused and this idea might sound silly, but it doesnt nessacerrly prevent wars, it could be a method to resolve them or even start wars if a good reason can be proven and verified.

one of the best features of UN NE could be its transparency, where meeings and resolutions could be made public, im sure the eve playerbase would love to see the MC contracted in to deal with a "rogue state" , or a galaxy wide agreement on pos warfare that would make it less tedious for everyone involved. these are just some of the aspects that i thought of,

what do you think.


((please keep replies to constructive critisizim only))

Riivaaja
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.09.09 11:28:00 - [2]
 

reserved

EVIL SYNNs
Minmatar
Wrath of Fenris
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2007.09.09 11:34:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Riivaaja
Edited by: Riivaaja on 09/09/2007 11:28:39


((please keep replies to constructive critisizim only))



Aye right. Thats going to happen. Can't see it tbh. Eve is not just about Pew Pew but the mystery of who is on whos side, or even if anyone is.

I think of it more of the Warsaw Pack v Nato. How much use was the UN in that?

Forty Three
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2007.09.09 11:34:00 - [4]
 

while in paper it may seem viable (and I think it sounds like a great idea, and a lot of fun to run and organize), I honestly don't believe it's going to work out. Just like the UN in real life, it's only as strong as its members, so you would have to get all of the great alliances to join and abide to the rules, which is going to be very hard to do since the bigger alliances are generally uninterested in this sort of Roleplaying.

Also, since the galaxy is currently divided into 2 camps more or less, it would be very hard to achieve the level of neutrality needed to do this.

Hope the imput helps,

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Moon Kitten
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.09.09 11:35:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Moon Kitten on 09/09/2007 11:36:25
Will the EVE one be as toothless as the real one?

edit: go ahead and sanction me for this comment.

Riivaaja
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.09.09 11:36:00 - [6]
 

i dont think so, it could potentially have a peacekeeping force :)


duckmonster
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.09.09 12:05:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: duckmonster on 09/09/2007 12:06:34
Its unneccesary. Disputes are resolved in Eve by smashing the other guys **** in. No need for big government.

edit: When RSF & Our northern friends finally finish kneecapping the BOB camp, folks can feel free to create a "UN". It'll give us a handy list of alliances to murder.

Erotic Irony
Caldari
0bsession
Posted - 2007.09.09 12:09:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Moon Kitten
edit: go ahead and sanction me for this comment.

cal nereus
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.09 12:15:00 - [9]
 

The real United Nations is a bit of a joke to be honest. Very few people take 'em seriously, even in their specialty: human rights. I'd imagine an EVE version would be taken even less seriously. Besides, just about every territory-holding alliance in EVE wants to drive at least one other territory-holding alliance out of 0.0 entirely, or at least smack them into submission, and I don't think that's very conducive to galactic cooperation (unless someone conquers everyone else, which is becoming rather unlikely with POS warfare).

Ramlir
Gallente
0.0 Corp
Posted - 2007.09.09 12:41:00 - [10]
 

It might be nice for the RPers but like the real UN, it won't work without all the major powers accepting its authority. That is not going to happen.

JeanPaul Sartre
Amarr
THE INTERNET.
Goodfellas.
Posted - 2007.09.09 13:26:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Riivaaja
Edited by: Riivaaja on 09/09/2007 11:28:39
I had this idea last night and couldnt stop thinking about it ever since.

Imagine a United Nations Entity within Eve, its council and members would be all of the territory holding alliances, over time a charter could be developed created by the members of course,

here are some of the things it could handle.

Dispute resolution, border disputes, trade agreements, "the articles of war" rules of engagement, anything its members want to bring up and seek a binding agreement on.

Rules of POS warfare ? could be something in this one....

over time it could develop a peacekeeping force ?


i know the point of eve is heavly combat focused and this idea might sound silly, but it doesnt nessacerrly prevent wars, it could be a method to resolve them or even start wars if a good reason can be proven and verified.

one of the best features of UN NE could be its transparency, where meeings and resolutions could be made public, im sure the eve playerbase would love to see the MC contracted in to deal with a "rogue state" , or a galaxy wide agreement on pos warfare that would make it less tedious for everyone involved. these are just some of the aspects that i thought of,

what do you think.


((please keep replies to constructive critisizim only))



Would the Eve UN be as inept and impotent in solving problems as its RL™ counterpart? Will it's rulings also be twisted by the major players to be used as an excuse to wage wars of aggression? Will BoB and Goonswarm have a veto for any votes on the security council?

Firstly, my friend, I suggest you learn a little about the United Nations.

Chee
Minmatar
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.09 13:38:00 - [12]
 

Well, eve really doesnt need a UN. 0.0 is based on territorial warfare, what good is a organisation that would limit that? and a peacekeeping force? you mean a carebear protection force? it would fall very quickly imo. PvP is the name of the game in 0.0

Reverend Revelator
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.09.09 13:49:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Moon Kitten
Edited by: Moon Kitten on 09/09/2007 11:36:25
Will the EVE one be as toothless as the real one?

edit: go ahead and sanction me for this comment.


OOhh, I'm so disappointed in your actions Moon Kitten! And now I'm going to write you a LETTER, telling you how disappointed I am!

Very Happy

Touched darkness
Minmatar
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.09 14:35:00 - [14]
 

That is actually good idea and i like it because of its PvP potentialYARRRR!!.Perfect for another good PVP fest after anti-bob war ends(whenever that happens)Twisted Evil.
EVE alliances like to wage war,it is essential part of the game and if you bring out EVE UN on table it would be perceived as threat to independence of those alliances.Only way to implement such an idea is by brute force and you would require support of strong alliances to start with to do that.


David Ryan
Caldari
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.09.09 14:41:00 - [15]
 

peace is boring.

A wiseman
Caldari
Kantian Principle
Posted - 2007.09.09 17:21:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: David Ryan
peace is boring.


yeh "dispute resoultion" sure the diplos would be busy(er) but who would we kill there's to many blues as it is

Martin VanBuren
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.09.09 17:46:00 - [17]
 

America favors and supports such a development.



We won't be joining however.

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2007.09.09 17:47:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Riivaaja
i dont think so, it could potentially have a peacekeeping force :)

Why would anyone want peace? Peace is rather boring Confused

Martin VanBuren
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.09.09 17:50:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Riivaaja
i dont think so, it could potentially have a peacekeeping force :)

Why would anyone want peace? Peace is rather boring Confused


Peace would probably slow down the exchange of territory enough to make your map relevant though ^_^

Vishous
Gallente
Exsilium Militaris
Exiled Collective
Posted - 2007.09.09 18:46:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Vishous on 09/09/2007 18:50:28
OOO, low blow Laughing

But yes, remaining on topic, if anyone would ever put together something like that, it would as be people said before, a mostly unrecognized and mipulated organization. Not to mention I can imagion the shouting matchs going on between the BOB side and the colition side.

We also have interest of the fact that universal peace is great for the carebear corps and alliances, but it would decimate the market. Fewer people shooting at each other means less ships and mods being sold meaning less isk. And let's not get started on the drop in mineral prices.

The thing is, EVE is a game of mostly pvp. Even empire is never completely safe. If someone wants to kill you, they will find a way. And alot of people move out to 0.0 for the fighting with no boundries (baring from CCPs "exploit list"). Of course, the carebears want to go and mine the ark and brist and crokite and sell minerals w/o much worries of getting randomly attacked, but that's what makes Eve so much fun. If people want to grind without being randomly attacked and killed, go play WOW.

What would probably happen if someone started such an organization, is that it would go similar to what happened to the (sorry ccp, but easiest way to explain) League of Nations, were they had no backbone and fell.

Going back to the pvp aspect, the UN ED would be an organization of peace and carebearness ugh

I don't know about you, but I play EVE to shoot at my fellow man/woman Twisted Evil

EDIT: I also forgot to mention I play to look at the pritty ships and how thy go BOOM!!!Razz

Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
United Imperial Fleet
Posted - 2007.09.09 20:29:00 - [21]
 

Sounds like a good idea,but I don't see it happening
And I,personally I also see the current political map as Nato vs Warsaw

Petter Sandstad
Gallente
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
Posted - 2007.09.09 20:36:00 - [22]
 

TTI actually for a long time used to have a question along the lines of "how would you think an organization similar to the UN would function in EVE?"
Well, anyone that said that such an organization would function well had wasted his chance of getting into TTI.

Nebuchadnezzar I
Caldari
Art of War
Cult of War
Posted - 2007.09.09 21:08:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Nebuchadnezzar I on 09/09/2007 21:11:56
I see this as having alot of potential. It will, however, require a good amount of dedicated people willing to do alot of work convincing alliances to join/write articles/the foundation of the organisation.

There are alot of possibilities in it that many alliances in eve without a doubt would (at some point) see an opportunity in. Peace would not have to be a goal by any means, thats no fun, but ensuring the fun would be a goal. The current Great War may be a bad time to begin this, but certianly not an impossible one.

It does not have to be a replica of the current IRL UN organisation, nor would that work in eve (as i stated above already).

People asking if it will be as toothless as the current UN really have no clue (just to adress this). Saying it is toothless and "twisted" is based upon clueless observations and assumptions. Certainly the current system has flaws, but the organisation itself has not only proven to be very resilant in a number of occasions, but also proved its worth very much, the obvious evidence is the lack of a 3rd WW.

Back on topic. For eve it could do alot to ensure fun and to add to the drama that is the political scene :p

EDIT: However the goal of maintaining the majority of alliances in it, may be too much for any organisation, seeing how ambitions and general directions of an alliance change very rapidly in eve.

Alekseyev Karrde
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2007.09.09 21:17:00 - [24]
 

I think it would add a wonderful roleplay aspect and make it much easier to seperate the legitimate from the useless on the Corp/Alliance Discussion forums.

It would be very cool, but very difficult to establish. It may also have to perform a somewhat different function than the UN irl, because in the real world desabilized areas an conflicts are disruptive for the entire international system and economy, not to mention tend to be the breeding ground for intense human suffering. In EVE, human suffering doesnt really enter into it except perhaps neutral entities caught up in conlficts; and on the other point, conflict doesnt affect other alliance frequently and it's GOOD for the economy.

Bein Glorious
Caldari
SAKUMA DROP
ANAHEIM ELECTRONICS Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.09 21:29:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Bein Glorious on 09/09/2007 21:32:40
I find the idea of a "Geneva Convention" for the rules of POS warfare kind of funny. You could pass sanctions banning POS-spamming, or banning all-hardener POSes and anchoring a billion turret batteries so that after the POS is dead you have to shoot through ~300 million HP.

How would you enforce it, though?

edit: god i really need to start proofreading the things i post jesus

CkoBoPodKuH
Minmatar
Horns and Hoofs Ltd
Posted - 2007.09.09 21:40:00 - [26]
 

Bob's alt try to organize cover in prevision of their total devastation.
HAHAHA

BuckStrider
Caldari
Nano-Tech Experiments
Posted - 2007.09.09 23:57:00 - [27]
 

LOL....Yeah, sure, a UN in Eve, why not?

It'll be about as effective as the real one Laughing

DerHund Erste
Gallente
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.10 01:07:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Moon Kitten
Edited by: Moon Kitten on 09/09/2007 11:36:25
Will the EVE one be as toothless as the real one?

edit: go ahead and sanction me for this comment.


Isn't this forum (CAOD) already the virtual equivalent of the UN general Assembly? Why put another layer of filtering on, when you can already get the pure insanity straight from the tap here.

- DerHund

HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
Posted - 2007.09.10 01:42:00 - [29]
 

"We're gonna take you back, to the year 1939 when Charlie Chaplin and his razi regime enslaved Europe and tried to take over the world...

...But then an even greater force emerged, the un, and the un un-razied the world - forever."

Kiarah
Gallente
Janus Pilot Corps
Posted - 2007.09.10 02:09:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Kiarah on 10/09/2007 02:10:07
Idealistic organizations all fail.

The real world UN succeeds not because an idealistic peacekeeper is wanted or supported, but because it supports the agenda of the most powerful world players (the countries on the security council). The UN still has no military funding of its own. Troops are donated by member countries on goodwill alone.

The UN exists and continues to exist because it's politically useful to those on the security council, and for that reason alone. It legitimatizes their interests, and keeps smaller conflicts down so that it can push democracy and free trade around the world, creating bigger trade markets. You think its by accident the major players all have veto power over anything the UN says or does?

The league of nations failed. The UN has succeeded. Thats because they are fundamentally different.


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