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Nairb Ecrep
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.02 23:24:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Nairb Ecrep on 02/09/2007 23:36:42
I'm a bit miffed that when these new T2 upgrades were released, they are not useable for a tanking (traditional mining guide variety) hulk out in 0.0

The way the game is organized, there is a long train for mining with the eventual end being mining high end ores in 0.0, which will require a tanking hulk.

I'm fairly sure that 2 Aoede's will fit, but if we have to buy the most exotic, expensive mods (again), then whats the point of the T2? Can't we have something that provides a new boost for experienced miners that is actually better than something newer miners can use, that isn't 50X times as much?

Jurgen Cartis
Caldari
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
Posted - 2007.09.03 04:27:00 - [2]
 

The hulk can fit a tank with T2 Upgrades. You will have to use some low-CPU gear though.

2x CN Passives, T2 Small Booster and a T2 Cap Recharger fits, IIRC. CN Passives aren't cheap though. . .

I'd like the T2 to be 10% bonus too, but you can't have everything. . .

Just be glad you don't fly a Mack. They can't fit tank AT ALL with T2 Upgrades. Hell, they can't even fit 2 Harvester IIs and 2 T2 Upgrades without needing implants. Now that's screwed up. . .

Nairb Ecrep
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.03 05:33:00 - [3]
 

See its not about just fitting a tank, its gotta be strong enough for 0.0 ...

I can't imagine that setup is strong enough to tank BS spawns...

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2007.09.03 05:37:00 - [4]
 

Although outdated atm, my guide has a setup that tanks triple angel BS in 0.0 ... his setup is not too far from reality...
You might and will probanly need a CPU implant and Mining Upgrades 4 to ge the most out of your Hulk.

Marcus Tedric
Gallente
Tedric Enterprises
Crimson Steel Empire
Posted - 2007.09.03 07:48:00 - [5]
 

It's not the first I've seen.....

But perhaps you're NOT supposed to get maximum yield and still be able to tank????

Mona X
Caldari
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.09.03 09:40:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Jurgen Cartis

2x CN Passives, T2 Small Booster and a T2 Cap Recharger fits, IIRC. CN Passives aren't cheap though. . .



Cap recharger? With amplifiers?

ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
Posted - 2007.09.03 09:47:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Jurgen Cartis
The hulk can fit a tank with T2 Upgrades. You will have to use some low-CPU gear though.

2x CN Passives, T2 Small Booster and a T2 Cap Recharger fits, IIRC. CN Passives aren't cheap though. . .

I'd like the T2 to be 10% bonus too, but you can't have everything. . .

Just be glad you don't fly a Mack. They can't fit tank AT ALL with T2 Upgrades. Hell, they can't even fit 2 Harvester IIs and 2 T2 Upgrades without needing implants. Now that's screwed up. . .


That just won't hold against some of the higher level spawns, atm I can't see a really viable alternative other than including rigs in the setup

Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.09.03 09:58:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Mona X
Originally by: Jurgen Cartis

2x CN Passives, T2 Small Booster and a T2 Cap Recharger fits, IIRC. CN Passives aren't cheap though. . .



Cap recharger? With amplifiers?


Yes. Cap recharger =/= Cap power relay Smile

Mona X
Caldari
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.09.03 12:17:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Ishina Fel
Originally by: Mona X
Originally by: Jurgen Cartis

2x CN Passives, T2 Small Booster and a T2 Cap Recharger fits, IIRC. CN Passives aren't cheap though. . .



Cap recharger? With amplifiers?


Yes. Cap recharger =/= Cap power relay Smile


Yeah, I know what they are, but shield amplifiers don't take any cap.
Cap recharger was important with active hardeners, but Hulk has enough energy for 3 MSM and shield booster (with energy managment and operationas at 4).

Nairb Ecrep
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.03 13:23:00 - [10]
 

Marcus, I think you're missing my point (I probably wasn't explaining it well).

I guess what I was trying to get across is that mining so rarely ever gets lovin', I would have liked to of seen some improvements that everyone can benefit from (without having to spend hundreds of millions of ISK to get). I suppose I should just be happy there is new content surrounding mining, and be quiet. I imagine you're correct and they did that on purpose to force tankers to get the more expensive mods. I was just a bit disappointed that a T2 mining upgrades aren't useable by tankers (unless we sort out the above setup).

I'm still waiting for a Asteroid health bar, and I'll forever be happy.....

Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.09.03 13:48:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Ishina Fel on 03/09/2007 13:49:21
Originally by: Mona X
Originally by: Ishina Fel


Yes. Cap recharger =/= Cap power relay Smile


Yeah, I know what they are, but shield amplifiers don't take any cap.
Cap recharger was important with active hardeners, but Hulk has enough energy for 3 MSM and shield booster (with energy managment and operationas at 4).


Oh, that. I think that's a relic from before the cap sizes and recharge times were boosted by 25%. The cap per second was the same back then as it is now, but the modulated strips could really dip the capacitor below the optimal recharge point, thus causing you to run dry (even when staggered, in scenarios where you permarun the shield booster). That cap recharger is possibly a safeguard against death by crippled recharge.

Nowadays of course a shield boost amplifier makes much more sense in that slot. Also makes you tank more dps.

EDIT: Why does it censor safe-guard? Confused

Mona X
Caldari
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.09.03 14:05:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Ishina Fel

Nowadays of course a shield boost amplifier makes much more sense in that slot. Also makes you tank more dps.



Hmmmm, since I've bought kmb-50 I'he considered Pithi shield booster + 3x CN amplifiers, but Gistii + Shield boost amplifier + 2 CNA might work better.


 

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