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Valeo Galaem
New Eden Advanced Reconnaissance Unit
Sentient World Observation and Response Directive
Posted - 2007.10.07 18:27:00 - [241]
 

Edited by: Valeo Galaem on 07/10/2007 20:56:45

If you are using Transgaming's Linux client, EVE is installed in "~/.cedega/EVE Online/c_drive/Program Files/CCP/EVE".

There are 2 major problems with EVE on Wine at the moment. I don't know if these are fixed in the TG version but from what I've heard there are way more than just three (I can't run the thing myself to test it without it crashing).

To be clear, the following are Wine issues, not TG's which would be a much longer list right now.

1) PNG images (i.e. from the mini-map browser and in mission briefs) are corrupted and instead show random icon tiles or noise or both. This is at least due to certain combinations of software (NVIDIA drivers?). A probably related problem is that sometimes ship icons are rendered with the ship's base textures transparent, but this is more of a cosmetic issue - the ship models in space are rendered properly.

2) Changing resolutions can be a problem, as some display setups can give improper resolution options to EVE. For instance, I'm running a dual monitor setup using NVIDIA's TwinView, but EVE only sees one resolution option that spans both monitors. Needless to say, it becomes very unresponsive in this mode (and is even worse that this is the default). This can be worked around most of the time by running EVE in a virtual desktop the first time (which supplies standard resolutions to the game) by running "wine explorer /desktop="" eve.exe". Then you switch EVE to full-screen mode, set the resolution you want, set it back to Windowed mode, exit, and the resolution change will stick.

3) I'll toss in a third minor issue, and that is installation. You have to get Wine, MSTTCoreFonts, EVE installed, and at least the Arial font accessible via the "./windows/fonts/" folder (I used sym-links, but that's read-only). An installer script could be made to simplify the process. Or, prepackage the client using winelib. edit: Also, Wine for some reason does not extract the EVE icon when it makes the desktop launcher / shortcut.

I can understand CCP wanting to go with Transgaming for reasons of support. A company "dedicated" to maintaining compatibility is better for your customers than relying on the volunteer work of another community. Though, I think Wine could work if CCP opened communications more, and both projects would benefit.

Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
Posted - 2007.10.07 19:55:00 - [242]
 

There's 3rd way - CCP can have dedicated developer/dev team to support eve in wine (by making own packages or submitting any needed patches to jit).
But i ask to stop whining about wine vs cedega, there're another threads on this subject, and this one is about TG's products.

DahMainMan
Posted - 2007.10.08 04:02:00 - [243]
 

Ty!

I agree. onto the testin of the beta.

Moff Tigriss
Gallente
IMpAct Corp
Posted - 2007.10.08 11:28:00 - [244]
 

CCP, please fix the server issue. You have a motivated and dynamic community, but if that lasts for such a long time, that will not go.

Although he have some flammers there, the effort to adapt itself to Linux is very appreciated. But, please, correct the test server.

Capn Hack
Caldari
Posted - 2007.10.08 17:58:00 - [245]
 

Originally by: DahMainMan
at this pont im just trying to get the wrapper to just play the normal client, so i can atleast get to testing. however its not goin well. I take it, it wont hurt anythign as long as I stick to the same wrapper as the beta. it will just allow me to test on tran for a bit..so i can test..SOME THING.


problem is that you cant just start switching out parts of the client because it would damage the test. the full client and test client are different builds, so any bugs you find after splicing together the full client and test wrapper may not exist with the proper test client. doing things like altering bits of the client on your own can lead to a lot of wasted time for the dev team as they try to pin down or reproduce a bug that doesnt (or shouldnt) exist. due to that you wouldnt be able to test anything anyway.

whatever problems anyone has with transgaming, its not the only choice youll have. itll still work in wine, crossover, parallels, and (i think) fusion so your choices arent being limited by ccp going with tg. thats my last word on it anyway.

Instructist
Caldari
Meat 2 Veg
La Cosa Nostra Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.08 18:33:00 - [246]
 

Test server is up again.

RuriHoshino
Minmatar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.10.08 18:34:00 - [247]
 

Dunno if anyone's tried this on a Mac with the integrated GMA950 card, but it's completely useless. I have a MacBook and a Mac Mini, and while they don't run it spectacularly under Windows it's perfectly acceptable.

On both these machines my framerate in station with the Mac client hovers around 5-10. When I undock the screen fills with garbage and I only see flashes of background and objects, and I come close to measuring performance in Seconds Per Frame.

Contrast this with the Crossover install which ran nearly as well as the Windows client sans sound. I gotta say, this has been a big letdown.

Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
Posted - 2007.10.08 19:25:00 - [248]
 

Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 08/10/2007 19:31:01
Lol, sorry, i have few 'rocks' to throw too.
In Russia, we often use layout switchers that automatically convert 'qwerty' to 'йцукен', 'ghbdtn' to 'привет', etc (just replaces one letter with another one (yeah, two letters on one key, rus and eng) from another layout). Not so long ago i've described problems with text input... dunno it they were caused by cedega or xneur (the one we use on linux, for windows there's punto switcher), maybe it's xneur, but fact that xneur+wine installation runs pretty well disappoints me 'a bit'...
Bug filed, at least now i know source of a problem and can take part in testing too with xneur killed :P

Solbright altaltaltalt
Posted - 2007.10.08 19:51:00 - [249]
 

Internationalisation is a well known long standing advantage that Wine holds over Cedega. Clipboard cut'n'paste also doesn't work in Cedega while working nicely in Wine.

I presume these issues have carried over to the new packages. I don't think I'll be dropping Wine anytime soon.


Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
Posted - 2007.10.08 20:02:00 - [250]
 

With xneur active i had to copy my password before game launch and paste it into password field after... so at least partially it (copy/paste) works

DahMainMan
Posted - 2007.10.09 02:22:00 - [251]
 

ok, wine works well, yes I/We know. im sorry for steering the topic off path, this is about THIS beta only. this is our job fellas. we must report all errors..we unlike the rest of cedega users, have a direct(mostley) to the MAKERS of cedega, so our erros we post must be fixed if TG wants there $$$, WE HAVE THEM BY THE BALLS FOR ONCE! so get to it! :)

Our Will Be Done.

Here is my first bug, when you click on the local and corp x button, it WILL close down the window..only way to get her back is to restart the client.

so, there is my 1st bug. :)

Dmm, out.

Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
Posted - 2007.10.09 03:26:00 - [252]
 

First report after installation and testing on two separate machines.
Ubuntu 7.04 + nvidia .100.19 drivers on both test machines

1. x2 3800 amd nvidia 7950GT 512meg ram oc, 2 gig ram sata drive
Installation fine with caveats posted already regarding directories.
Client starts in 10x7 fullscreen. Login successful. changing resolution via escape key works. closing client does NOT screw up X, as it has in the past.

Frame rate is no different to normal cedega installation on this machine.
(40-50fps in station, 35-55fps in space.)
Character creation screen(s)- no issues.
GFX corruption on starting area asteroids. Some stations are also corrupted. This is NOT an issue with normal tranq client+cedega or wine.

2.
Second machine:
xp2400 amd fx5200 geforce 1 gig ram (system.)

Installation works same as #1.
Client hangs at splash screen.
No further testing can be done on this box as it crashes with a python error (when launching from command line.)

DahMainMan
Posted - 2007.10.09 04:43:00 - [253]
 

on yer second system, try to turn off vertex and pixel shaders, or atleast set them to a lower version, try to turn it off first. that may help. also check for fonts.

UberL0rd
Minmatar
Comply Or Die
G00DFELLAS
Posted - 2007.10.09 09:16:00 - [254]
 

Originally by: Sevarus James
Client hangs at splash screen.
No further testing can be done on this box as it crashes with a python error (when launching from command line.)


What is the error?

Spartanas
Posted - 2007.10.09 14:27:00 - [255]
 

Server is down again for me, via Mac client...anyone else having the same problem?

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2007.10.09 17:37:00 - [256]
 

Originally by: Spartanas
Server is down again for me, via Mac client...anyone else having the same problem?

Works now...

It's probably going up and down a bit simply because it's a test server.

Moff Tigriss
Gallente
IMpAct Corp
Posted - 2007.10.09 19:29:00 - [257]
 

I have a problem. All is ok, but :

Login : ok
Character selection : ok
"Loading Data" : ok
*"splash music" is remplaced by "classic space music"*
"Entering space" : back to desktop

Anyone have an idea ?

No tweaks, charac creation ok...
Ubuntu 7.04, Radeon 9800pro with well installed drivers

Thx

Solbright altaltaltalt
Posted - 2007.10.09 21:25:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: Moff Tigriss
Anyone have an idea ?

Try deleting the cache and settings folders c_drive/Local Settings/...


Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
Posted - 2007.10.09 21:29:00 - [259]
 

Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 09/10/2007 21:29:51
What should i do to get ships? I have GM priveleges, but don't have enough cargo to get ship into cargohold, and 'spawn' menu item returns an error... any way to forward it directly into station docks?

DahMainMan
Posted - 2007.10.10 01:46:00 - [260]
 

few more bugs, this is about all i can test, as i still dont have admin privs, i have sent a few emails..asked in here many a times.

anyhow, here is what i have seen so far.

no target select icon.
icons of systems/belts and so on, that normal move about the sides of yer screen just stick to the lower left and/or right of the screen.
when in windowd mode, there is no titlebar to click on to drag the window about yer desktop.

bad bad bad fps.

So, welp there is that. so far.

see if u can fix my admin rites. as its a pain bein stuck in this place, i wanna goto empire. so i can test torp exp render, and other things that may still be messing up.

Than You,
Dmm Out.

Kempeth
Gallente
Posted - 2007.10.10 05:54:00 - [261]
 

I got a friend to try the Cedega Test Build as well. Just like me his installation does "splash and crash"(tm). It might have some connection to the os as we are both running Ubuntu feisty. Also the normal client has the same symptoms under cedega.

I would love to help further but I can't seem to find any errors or log files.

DahMainMan
Posted - 2007.10.10 08:07:00 - [262]
 

For all u splash n crashers, please post yer system specs, and video driver version.
also u need arial.ttf in yer fonts dir.

Thank you.

OH! also, this crash can be derived from audio issues, see if u can try and set it for oss or alsa, perhaps bolth, fiddle with the mix of them. post yer results.

Dmm Out.

CCP Lingorm


C C P
Posted - 2007.10.10 10:01:00 - [263]
 

I have been organising getting transgaming onto these forums so that they can take your feedback directly and directly respond.

So very soon (tm) you will be seeing some Dev's in the C C P corp with names like TG xxxx. These are the Transgaming developers.

I will let them introduce themselves to you when they log in.

We have also hired a couple of new developers up here that have Linux experience and expect them to chime in with suggestions as well. They are CCP Sputnik (who works for me in the QA Engineering team) and CCP EinarTh (who works for CCP Explorer in the EVE software group).

We will soon be moving this trial to a larger server and opening it up to more people.


Aeon Jonas
Caldari
Point Blank.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.10.10 11:05:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: CCP Lingorm


We will soon be moving this trial to a larger server and opening it up to more people.




EPIC WIN!

Solbright altaltaltalt
Posted - 2007.10.10 11:29:00 - [265]
 

Edited by: Solbright altaltaltalt on 10/10/2007 11:30:15
Originally by: DahMainMan
For all u splash n crashers, please post yer system specs, and video driver version.

Card: GeForce 7600, AGP, 256 MB
Driver: 2.1.0 NVIDIA 97.55
Xorg: 7.1.1
Linux: 2.6.15-27-desktop, Ubuntu 6.06 (dapper), SimplyMEPIS 6.5


Soy Black
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.10.10 14:17:00 - [266]
 

Originally by: CCP Lingorm

We will soon be moving this trial to a larger server and opening it up to more people.




Great news!!! :) Looking forward to it!

DahMainMan
Posted - 2007.10.10 15:00:00 - [267]
 

Sol, try to install an app called ENVY , it will instal the best linux drivers that are out, that alone could help. As i have 7.04 installed with a fresh copy, and it works fine.

Solbright altaltaltalt
Posted - 2007.10.11 14:52:00 - [268]
 

I'd like to see some more specs from others not reaching the login before I going risking this stable setup on mismatching kernel modules again.


Trek
Minmatar
Karebear Afflatus Relief Emphasis
Posted - 2007.10.11 17:41:00 - [269]
 

Originally by: Solbright altaltaltalt
I'd like to see some more specs from others not reaching the login before I going risking this stable setup on mismatching kernel modules again.




Another one:
Kernel 2.6.22.6
Nvidia driver 100.14.19 (on GForce 6600GT AGP)
I have tried changing a lot of stuff in the configuration but no change.

I get this message in .xsession-errors when trying to run Eve (if it helps anyone)
X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
Major opcode: 20
Minor opcode: 0
Resource id: 0x3800004

Well that's pretty much it. Eve works just fine in Wine on the same system.

Joey1
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.11 20:18:00 - [270]
 

Could someone upload the .md5 file or just copy and paste its content onto the forums it seems to be down...

I have tried to use md5sum to make my own but it claims that it is incorrect...

Thanks

Joey1


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