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Salvis Tallan
Gallente
Sparse Enterprises
Posted - 2007.10.17 14:05:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: Salvis Tallan on 17/10/2007 14:08:17
Originally by: Cardnyl Sin
Edited by: Cardnyl Sin on 17/10/2007 14:04:44
Where can we submit really long java exception errors?

Also, the auto updater says my version is the most current but doing a help>about shows otherwise. I'd like to try out the newest version without loosing my market history. Is the current version saved in a place I can modify to get the updater to update me from 2.3.1.0 to the current version.

That could be my fault in forgetting to change that number. If you look at the exe files properties, itll show the correct version number. Also, when you update the program, you wont lose any information. To report a bug, send me the text file in the Log folder with that days date. Just e-mail me at the address on the website, and please include a description of what you were doing at the time of the bug.

Akihito Karasu
Posted - 2007.10.17 17:30:00 - [182]
 

Edited by: Akihito Karasu on 17/10/2007 17:30:38
Quote:
Originally by: Akihito Karasu
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Edited by: Akihito Karasu on 16/10/2007 22:56:22
In the MultiComponent Calc, the cost of minerals is the value set in Tools - Preferences - Market Logs. However, the Buy price can only be one of the buy price types. The problem with this is that the Buy Price is actually a price at which someone has offered to buy the mineral, often at a much lower level than the average price at this the mineral is selling. Therefore the cost of production calculated by the MultiComponent Calc is wildly out of synch with any real world cost of production.

A much more helpful value would be the average price at which the mineral is currently selling. Given that this value is not computed, I would suggest the Mean Sell Price. This would give a far more accurate estimate of the Cost of Production and enable us to contine to use the Market Logs.

For example, in Heimatar Isogen prices are:
48.43 - Mean Buy Price, price used by MultiComponent Calc
69.18 - Mean Sell Price
66.00 - Current Average Sell Price

As you can see values computed using the Mean Buy Price will be about 30% lower than the real cost of buying the minerals at the price at which they are actually being bought and sold. Relying on the cost of production calculated by EVE MEEP would result in some horrible surprises.
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I am open to changing this, but let me make sure I have your argument correct. Buy prices are often far lower than the sell price for the market, meaning that if you were to go buy minerals from the market, you wont get them at the mean buy price but instead at the lowest(or mean) sell price. Therefore the calculator should instead use the sell price for minerals. Do you have any math for prices beyond what I use now that might be better?

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I believe you understand my idea correctly. The Market Data/Sellers & Buyers prices that EVE lets you save are not actually a record of market sells and buys, but rather the offers to sell or buy made by players. The Buy prices are often very optimistic offers to relieve players of items at huge discounts on their true market value. The actual record of market activity is under the tab Price History, which reports daily item volume sold as well as high, low and average prices of items sold.

As a manufactor I'm interested in the relationship between cost of production and selling price. The average price for which minerals and components sell are the value that helps me understand if I am selling items (whose minerals I may have mined) at a profit or a loss.

As far as I know, the Price History informatin is not exportable out of EVE. However, the Mean Sell price appears to be quite close to the Average Selling price and could be used quite successfully. A minor improvement on the Mean Sell price would be if it were possible to clip off the highest two or three sell offers to eliminate the occasional 'newbie trap' price where someone offers one unit of morphite for 9,500,000 vs. 9,500. Not sure it this is even possible, but it would clean up the Mean Sell price.

I think the above is clear. Modifying the MultiComponent Calc to better reflect cost of the resources would be very very helpful.

Cardnyl Sin
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2007.10.17 18:32:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: Cardnyl Sin on 17/10/2007 18:33:19
Originally by: Salvis Tallan
Edited by: Salvis Tallan on 17/10/2007 14:08:17
Originally by: Cardnyl Sin
Edited by: Cardnyl Sin on 17/10/2007 14:04:44
Where can we submit really long java exception errors?

Also, the auto updater says my version is the most current but doing a help>about shows otherwise. I'd like to try out the newest version without loosing my market history. Is the current version saved in a place I can modify to get the updater to update me from 2.3.1.0 to the current version.

That could be my fault in forgetting to change that number. If you look at the exe files properties, itll show the correct version number. Also, when you update the program, you wont lose any information. To report a bug, send me the text file in the Log folder with that days date. Just e-mail me at the address on the website, and please include a description of what you were doing at the time of the bug.


Not sure if it helps but here is a screencap of the version oddity I currently see.
Screencap Here

I forceably downloaded the 2.3.2.0 update file and it seems to work ok. The old exe is dropped into a Backups folder and a new eve is put in its place. Right click > properties > version tab reveals that the file version info embedded on the file is indeed 2.3.2.0, but Help > About within the program shows 2.3.1.0. Hopefully this helps you in tracking down the oddity.

The JIT error I am having a hard time reproducing. Usually hitting the Force Download button after the program has already downloaded the most current market data invokes an instant error message resulting in a dialog box with the option to see more details, continue on in spit of the error or quit. After clicking the continue button a big red X is placed over the wallet data. I will send the log I did happen to save over to you. Thanks again Very Happy

S tropper
Posted - 2007.10.17 21:21:00 - [184]
 

I realy like this program so far.

However I seem to have a problem to load POS fuel calculator or it might be that I havnt found it. When trying to update its downloaded but not shown. When I then check updates again, the POS is still showing as not downloaded (however its in the folder).

So please tell me where to look inside the program for it or tell me what I'm doing wrong.

Thx

Paradox Twin
Posted - 2007.10.18 09:57:00 - [185]
 

Edited by: Paradox Twin on 18/10/2007 09:57:58
I'm still getting that damned "Error getting Journal Data for Zak Bryn: Expected beforeRefID [numbers] but supplied [0]: wallet previously loaded" message. Hasn't dl'ed the journal since 14/10/07 Sad. The wallet Transactions dl fine. Any ideas?

edit: Damned alt posts....

Salvis Tallan
Gallente
Sparse Enterprises
Posted - 2007.10.18 19:44:00 - [186]
 

I have a whiteboard full of changes and bug fixes, most of which I can fix. I think I know what is causing the annoying errors in downloading transactions, but not really sure right now how to fix it.

Paradox Twin: If you wait overnight or something (longer than 1 hour) and open the program, doing nothing for about 3 minutes (i.e dont close or change characters/profiles) does it still do it? If so then that really narrows down where the problem lies.

S Trooper: sometimes the plugins get put into the plugins folder, but the program loads and for some reason checks the folder located in My Documents, where the plugins are not. This bug is also linked to one or more transaction bugs. If it gets really annoying, just copy the dll files into both folders.

General Apocalypse
Amarr
Ship Research
Posted - 2007.10.19 05:47:00 - [187]
 

Great program . Salvis is doing an AWESOME job .

Can you pls ad the new BS to invention pls ?

area51
Gallente
Pilipino Corp
Posted - 2007.10.19 10:39:00 - [188]
 

First, of all really nice program, really helped me a lot ^^

I'm also getting the"Error getting Journal Data for area51: Expected before RefID [numbers] but supplied [0]: wallet previously loaded" for about 3 days now my journal isn't loading but wallet transactions are fine. I also did try leaving it on for one night, or closing and starting again for a few tries, still getting the same error.

Paradox Twin
Posted - 2007.10.19 22:40:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Salvis Tallan
Paradox Twin: If you wait overnight or something (longer than 1 hour) and open the program, doing nothing for about 3 minutes (i.e dont close or change characters/profiles) does it still do it? If so then that really narrows down where the problem lies.


Well damn.... That worked. Everything downloaded fine after I ignored it for 5 minutes Very Happy Hope that helps

area51
Gallente
Pilipino Corp
Posted - 2007.10.20 05:53:00 - [190]
 

I think you ca only download either the wallet transaction or wallet journal from the EVE per hour. SO when we do a Force Download, the transactions updates fine but the journal doesn't =(

I guess you can separate the force download, one for the transaction and one for the journal.

Tradelade
Hedion University
Posted - 2007.10.22 11:22:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: Tradelade on 22/10/2007 13:23:21
Hmn. Any ideas what might be causing my problem.

Everything seems to download just fine - no errors in the logs.

But for some reason, the program won't even generate wallet journal .xml.

Can I download it manually via the api and put it in the right directory ?

Tried the tips in the thread, ie. do nothing for 1hr+, start EVE-MEEP, let it run for awhile. It refreshes everything 'fine', down left it states it has the journal data. But no journal xml is generated and obviously no journal entries show up.

Ideas ?

EDIT: Looks like for some reason it cannot parse the Market Orders nor the Wallet Journal.

I tried getting them manually with the example Python script on the API/DOCs and it worked fine.

EVE-MEEP doesn't show errors in the log and claims that everything loaded just fine. However, only transactions do appear.

If you are on the transactions/journal/trade orders page when it tries to download 'em, program terminates with Java exception that won't get logged in the log file. Odd.

Cardnyl Sin
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2007.10.22 13:59:00 - [192]
 

Id like to request a feature to be able to enter in my time zone and have it normalize all of the time stamps shown to my local time.

Tradelade
Hedion University
Posted - 2007.10.22 17:27:00 - [193]
 

A bit more light to my problem, and hopefully a bit more clearly.

Wallet transactions download fine. Character details download fine.

Only having problems with wallent journal entries - EVE-MEEP doesn't even create an xml file for them. Waiting 1h+ between program starts and 'letting it do it's thing' for 5 mins doesn't help.

I manually tested the api and journal details download just fine with the data I have put in EVE-MEEP.

After starting the program, character details and transactions download fine. When it's turn to download wallet journal details "no new journal entries found" is displayed on the lower left corner.

Even when it's 100% sure there's new stuff. Not even a single xml file for the journal entries has been created.

Ideas?

Salvis Tallan
Gallente
Sparse Enterprises
Posted - 2007.10.23 04:16:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: Tradelade
A bit more light to my problem, and hopefully a bit more clearly.

Wallet transactions download fine. Character details download fine.

Only having problems with wallent journal entries - EVE-MEEP doesn't even create an xml file for them. Waiting 1h+ between program starts and 'letting it do it's thing' for 5 mins doesn't help.

I manually tested the api and journal details download just fine with the data I have put in EVE-MEEP.

After starting the program, character details and transactions download fine. When it's turn to download wallet journal details "no new journal entries found" is displayed on the lower left corner.

Even when it's 100% sure there's new stuff. Not even a single xml file for the journal entries has been created.

Ideas?

Wow, Thats weird. Check both the Eve-MEEP folder and if there is a folder in your My Documents folder, to see if the files wound up there. The next update may not be out this week, because of lack of time, but I am going around trying to fix all the bug reports I have gotten in regarding these journal errors, such as if you sort the entries and then try to load, it will freak out and not display anything.

Riko Rino
Posted - 2007.10.25 04:53:00 - [195]
 

don't load Wallet Journal, but transactions log - fine. say error while loading - "No new journal data".

In log files permanent error:
25.10.2007 11:43:16 Paths isAppPathWriteable 0/5 AppDir is readonly!
directory and disc is full wtirable.


gordon861
Minmatar
PROGENITOR CORPORATION
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.10.25 10:49:00 - [196]
 

I suppose some of the wallet/journal problems could be caused by having EveMon running at the same time. It also checks your wallet and downloads the data every hour which will reset the timer and might stop the server giving EveMeep the data.

Perhaps someone should look at writing a program that will download all the possible API data every hour and cache it for all the other programs to interrogate.

Tradelade
Hedion University
Posted - 2007.10.25 17:26:00 - [197]
 

Salvis - I have checked the folders and the logs. Logs show nothing and My Documents either. I'm running Vista 64-bit with UAC turned off.

Gordon - That's unfortunatetly not the reason for my Journal problems.

Also, failing to load the Journal data ( or rather, to create the xml ) doesn't show error in the log, unlike Riko Rino.

Anyhow, another bug:

In "Inventory->browse" when I click an item it's added to "Recent Items" box in "Inventory->Search". However, when I click that item in that box, I get repeatable error:

System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at EVEMEEPv2.MainForm.recentListBox_SelectedIndexChanged(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ListBox.OnSelectedIndexChanged(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ListBox.NativeRemoveAt(Int32 index)
at System.Windows.Forms.ListBox.ObjectCollection.RemoveAt(Int32 index)
at EVEMEEPv2.MainForm.AddItemToRecent(String typename)
at EVEMEEPv2.MainForm.AddItemControlToPage(String typename)
at System.Windows.Forms.ListBox.OnSelectedIndexChanged(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ListBox.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

Error log doesn't record anything about this either. All my logs are just:

25.10.2007 20:13:17 MainForm MainForm 0/5 ******************************************************
25.10.2007 20:13:17 MainForm MainForm 0/5 * STARTING MEEP *
25.10.2007 20:13:17 MainForm MainForm 0/5 ******************************************************
25.10.2007 20:13:21 PluginServices AddPlugin 1/5 Inited [Reprocessing Calculator][1.2.0]
25.10.2007 20:13:21 MainForm MainForm 0/5 Meep init complete!
25.10.2007 20:13:22 MainForm FormClosing 0/5 -------------------<[ Clean Exit ]>-------------------

Salvis Tallan
Gallente
Sparse Enterprises
Posted - 2007.10.25 19:29:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: Tradelade
Salvis - I have checked the folders and the logs. Logs show nothing and My Documents either. I'm running Vista 64-bit with UAC turned off.

Gordon - That's unfortunatetly not the reason for my Journal problems.

Also, failing to load the Journal data ( or rather, to create the xml ) doesn't show error in the log, unlike Riko Rino.

Anyhow, another bug:

In "Inventory->browse" when I click an item it's added to "Recent Items" box in "Inventory->Search". However, when I click that item in that box, I get repeatable error:


Thankfully that bug you posted has already been fixed. I believe I have also fixed the bug that randomly places files into the My Documents folder even though you are running XP and the folder is not locked. I am reviewing the journal code and making sure that it is correct, but I do not know how many problems the folder bugfix will solve (could be fixed already). I have a few more things to look into, hopefully I'll push out an update this weekend.

Rada Ionesco
Caldari
Royal Enterprise
Cascade Probable
Posted - 2007.10.26 00:35:00 - [199]
 

I noticed this problem when I was using 3.2.1, but it is now present in 2.3.2. I think that maybe something is preventing this program from working correctly. I doubt that the software is doing this from version to version, since no one else has mentioned this I don't think. My plug ins are not present if I use a shortcut or load the software from a tool bar link. It seems only able to load from the MEEP icon in the unzipped folder. Tonight it started doing that, so now I am stuck again with no Plug in access. The thing is it will come and go. Sometimes they are there and sometimes not. Anything I might be doing wrong. I am highly computer illiterate when it comes to programs and programming in general, so the fix may be over my head, but I'll give it a try.

Falka Lakadaka
Gallente
Posted - 2007.10.27 01:45:00 - [200]
 

I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, or if it's designed this way. I'm new to EveMEEP.

I manually add a bunch of blueprints (bought by my alt and transferred to the corp hanger) and a stack of minerals (reprocessed items from another alt and transferred to the corp hanger). This all seems fine and I log out of EveMEEP. I then log back in a few minutes later and all is fine - all the blueprints and minerals are there as expected.

Problem - I log back in the next morning and all my manually entered data is gone. I'm back to the inventory items from the transaction log i.e. only those items I have bought are listed. Anything transferred from another character is gone.

I'm hoping I've just missed a simple step somewhere. There doesn't seem to be an option to save the data. Please let me know.


Cardnyl Sin
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2007.10.27 02:51:00 - [201]
 

Any chance it would be possible to be able to display weekly and even monthly profits and expenditures on the Finances tab as a future addition to the program?

Feng Schui
Minmatar
Cruor Evertum Dominicus
Posted - 2007.10.27 10:51:00 - [202]
 

Edited by: Feng Schui on 27/10/2007 11:42:25
well, i'm not getting the transaction ID issue again as well (even waited for 2-3 hours before opening any eve-related programs, except for the client). its annoying ><

as an extended request as well, as i'm not sure now if i mentioned it, would be sales from individual items as well (this is where graphs / charts would come in handy).

for example, how many units of X items I sold, showing daily profits, weekly profits, monthly, quarterly, semi-annually, and annual profits. (Since the API only goes back 1 month, I assume you would need to add in a database into the program to store sales).

During downtime, I'll make a nice picture as to what I'm imagining =)

Gimp Graph:
http://eve-files.com/dl/131289

Malkavian Spirit
Minmatar
Malkavian Industries
Posted - 2007.10.30 12:40:00 - [203]
 

Edited by: Malkavian Spirit on 30/10/2007 12:47:07
Ok, so maybe Iím just an idiot, but Iím an idiot who needs help. A while back I posted on the other thread about Meep not reflecting the changes I made to material efficiency I put into the tool. The developers were surprised and said that it was probably just an issue with the data files.

Nonetheless, Iíve tried on version after version, uninstalled and reinstalled (including deleting the ďBomeĒ folder in documents and settings), and the issue still persists. If this was a consistent problem, everyone would be screaming about it, and I canít imagine anything specific to my system that would cause it. So Iíve decided Iím doing something wrong and I want to see how someone who doesnít have trouble adjusting MEs on their BPOs does it.

So, letís take a BPO, such as the Capital Armor Plates blueprint. Can someone tell me the process they go through to enter and adjust this itemís ME?

EDIT: Ok, here's something weird. I just reinstalled and went to the Efficiency Calculator and chose Capital Armor Plates blueprint. Everything looked right until I adjusted the ME and changed to the Comparison of Start ME to End ME tab. Then Start Waste Cost, End Waste Cost, and Isk saved per run all changed to 0. Now the behavior is consistent with what I said before, and it doesn't reflect the changes to ME. Then I chose the Capital Armor Repairer I Blueprint and it functions exactly as I expect it to, reflecting my changes to ME. Am I losing my mind? I really want to use this program, but it just doesn't seem to work for me.

Salvis Tallan
Gallente
Sparse Enterprises
Posted - 2007.10.30 14:42:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: Malkavian Spirit
Edited by: Malkavian Spirit on 30/10/2007 12:47:07
Ok, so maybe Iím just an idiot, but Iím an idiot who needs help. A while back I posted on the other thread about Meep not reflecting the changes I made to material efficiency I put into the tool. The developers were surprised and said that it was probably just an issue with the data files.

Nonetheless, Iíve tried on version after version, uninstalled and reinstalled (including deleting the ďBomeĒ folder in documents and settings), and the issue still persists. If this was a consistent problem, everyone would be screaming about it, and I canít imagine anything specific to my system that would cause it. So Iíve decided Iím doing something wrong and I want to see how someone who doesnít have trouble adjusting MEs on their BPOs does it.

So, letís take a BPO, such as the Capital Armor Plates blueprint. Can someone tell me the process they go through to enter and adjust this itemís ME?

EDIT: Ok, here's something weird. I just reinstalled and went to the Efficiency Calculator and chose Capital Armor Plates blueprint. Everything looked right until I adjusted the ME and changed to the Comparison of Start ME to End ME tab. Then Start Waste Cost, End Waste Cost, and Isk saved per run all changed to 0. Now the behavior is consistent with what I said before, and it doesn't reflect the changes to ME. Then I chose the Capital Armor Repairer I Blueprint and it functions exactly as I expect it to, reflecting my changes to ME. Am I losing my mind? I really want to use this program, but it just doesn't seem to work for me.

This is a problem on my end. I need to manually update the data files and then have meep redownload them for you. The only reason I have not done it already is that I have been quite a bit short on time lately. I promise though that this affects everyone and not just you. Hopefully I will get this out when I release the next version soon(tm).

caladron prime
Caldari
Posted - 2007.10.30 15:44:00 - [205]
 

Great update, like it so far, with a couple questions (tried to read up and find answers first, but couldn't)

1. Save as Text in the Add to Bill window causes an exception error.
2. Is there a way to add multiple jobs to the same bill? aka, if building a capital ship, is it possible to create a bill on all the mineral bills for each component, to get granular quantities and pricing/cost info, or do you need to create a bill for each component?

Salvis Tallan
Gallente
Sparse Enterprises
Posted - 2007.10.30 17:15:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: caladron prime
Great update, like it so far, with a couple questions (tried to read up and find answers first, but couldn't)

1. Save as Text in the Add to Bill window causes an exception error.
2. Is there a way to add multiple jobs to the same bill? aka, if building a capital ship, is it possible to create a bill on all the mineral bills for each component, to get granular quantities and pricing/cost info, or do you need to create a bill for each component?

#1 has been fixed and I just need to release update, and as long as the bill window is open you can just keep adding things to it. It will total everything up for you.

caladron prime
Caldari
Posted - 2007.10.30 18:36:00 - [207]
 

Thx Salvis- I thought that was how it was supposed to behave, but maybe the issue is on my end. I will check it out.

thx again.

Salvis Tallan
Gallente
Sparse Enterprises
Posted - 2007.10.31 20:45:00 - [208]
 

Ok put out version 2.3.3.0

Change Log:
****Version 2.3.3.0****
Bug Fixes:
-Fixed bug where read-only check returned false even though the folder wasnt
-Fixed bug with recent items list crashing
-Fixed bug where the changelog would always be displayed when checking for updates and not finding anytihng new
-Fixed bug where the about box displayed the wrong version
-Fixed crash bug with saving bill of materials to text
-Fixed issue where amounts were not parsed with english local
-Fixed issue with capital components not displaying

New Features:
-Added Folder watcher to automatically load market logs or buy/sell orders when they are exported
-Added option to search and recient items list to open the browse tree to the market group.

As you can see its mostly bug fixes, this is because I have been a bit short on time lately to sit down and do real work. This addresses just about all the crash bugs people reported, and *MAY* fix the journal. This does fix the weird loading problems.

Athlonman
Amarr
The Executives
Posted - 2007.11.01 01:38:00 - [209]
 

Hey Salvis,

I've always loved EVE-MEEP but I'm having a slight problem with the new version. I've only been able to get it to work once. Now when I load EVE-MEEP, the app loads, but my characters don't show up. If I go to File -> Load Profile -> [My Profile] and click nothing happens. I don't even see any network activity from EVE-MEEP. I'm running Vista Ultimate x64 on an AMD Opteron 185 (2.6Ghz Dual Core) w/3GB PC3200 and Geforce 8800GTS 640M if that makes much of a difference. I tried on another machine (XP x32) and the same thing happens. Any assitance would be appreciated.

Malkavian Spirit
Minmatar
Malkavian Industries
Posted - 2007.11.01 12:35:00 - [210]
 

I couldn't tell by your notes whether or not you fixed my issue, but original investigation is positive. Thanks so much!


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