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Jonas Vinthyn
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.08.30 13:39:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Jonas Vinthyn on 26/01/2010 19:58:08


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Post updated for v 2.4.1 on January 7th, 2010

In a fit of sheer boredom I wrote up a Visual Basic program to fit and calculate fuel requirements for POSes. As of this post its on v2.4.1 and has the following features:


  • All standard and faction towers (with updated fuel requirements) as of Dominion

  • All standard and faction fittings as of Dominion

  • Downloading POS information including current fuel levels through the EVE API

  • Saving / Loading of one or multiple towers to disk with its own file association

  • Saving / Loading of a tower fitting so it can be applied to different towers

  • Calculates fuel requirements for one or a infinite number of towers along with isk costs

  • Calculates the m3 needed along with percentage of tower space available

  • Online and Offline individual fittings to test fitments without removing/readding.

  • Exporting of tower fittings as plain text, BBCode, or Excel.

  • Full moon location lookup through a offline moon database to tie the CCP Moon ID to your towers actual moon location. Any moon location that cannot be retrieved will have the system name retrieved (for unanchored towers for example).



The program and its source code is available on the Cassandra's Light website:

http://www.cassandraslight.com/


Screenshot:

My POS Screen Shot

Those that had ANY previous version (2.4.0 or older) should uninstall it using Add/Remove programs under the control panel before installing this new version. The only requirements to run this software are the Microsoft Dot Net v2.0 Framework (available free from Microsoft's site) and the Windows Installer 3.1 or higher. If you have XP or Vista and do your windows updates you should already have both. Any questions, comments, or problems can be posted here, evemailed to me in game, or emailed to Jonas(AT)CassandrasLight.com.


Jonas Vinthyn
Lemming in hirr - Morsus Mihi
Former CEO of Cassandra's Light

General Apocalypse
Amarr
Ship Research
Posted - 2007.08.30 15:28:00 - [2]
 

Nice one but you are missing the advanced labs , and some things like the number of diffrent slots : Copy , ME & PE , resistances and dps woud be nice .

Jonas Vinthyn
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.08.30 17:29:00 - [3]
 

I'll get the advanced labs in with the next revision. As far as info theres no real need for it within a fitter...I could add it but thats a lot of extra bloat to a very small program.

General Apocalypse
Amarr
Ship Research
Posted - 2007.08.31 05:49:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Jonas Vinthyn
I'll get the advanced labs in with the next revision. As far as info theres no real need for it within a fitter...I could add it but thats a lot of extra bloat to a very small program.


The program is neat but it needs more devs Razz

Jonas Vinthyn
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.08.31 13:53:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: General Apocalypse

The program is neat but it needs more devs Razz


I agree actually.....could REALLY use a VB.Net 05 guy that does custom controls for a custom tabpage control. Then you could do multiple towers and save and load them. I even got all the underlying structure in place for it just no time/patience to do the custom control work.

Jita TradeAlt
Posted - 2007.09.01 14:40:00 - [6]
 

Best POS fitter to date and I'm not sure why it isn't getting more attention since it's really nice.

General Apocalypse
Amarr
Ship Research
Posted - 2007.09.01 17:43:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: General Apocalypse on 03/09/2007 06:52:54
Originally by: Jonas Vinthyn
Originally by: General Apocalypse

The program is neat but it needs more devs Razz


I agree actually.....could REALLY use a VB.Net 05 guy that does custom controls for a custom tabpage control. Then you could do multiple towers and save and load them. I even got all the underlying structure in place for it just no time/patience to do the custom control work.


Try working whit the DEV from EVE MEEP , that program has a POS plugin , work together and improve it Very Happy

Jonas Vinthyn
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.03 16:07:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Jita TradeAlt
Best POS fitter to date and I'm not sure why it isn't getting more attention since it's really nice.


Thanks!

Originally by: General Apocalypse
Try working whit the DEV from EVE MEEP , that program has a POS plugin , work together and improve it Very Happy


I wanted simple, very simple so thats why I wrote this.



Only bug reported is the fuel "supply" section, when you chek off the Sov checkbox it ADD's 25% to fuel instead of subtract but does work as intended on the fuel requirements. Oh, and I need to fix a bug in the POS low fuel evemail reading I noticed...that and add in the advanced lab. All are easy fixes and will be done this week, look for a update soon.

-Jonas

Jita TradeAlt
Posted - 2007.09.05 21:01:00 - [9]
 

Two things that would be nice though, a read-out that states how much M3 the fuel will take and a way to input price so it's easy to see the costs. Both things should be simple to implement.

Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.05 21:56:00 - [10]
 

The one thing that is really missing is all the factional batteries. I would really like to use this as a POS planner and that information would be needed.

Very nice work! (If I send some isk will you work on that?) Smile

Jonas Vinthyn
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.07 13:46:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Jita TradeAlt
Two things that would be nice though, a read-out that states how much M3 the fuel will take and a way to input price so it's easy to see the costs. Both things should be simple to implement.


Doable but definitely not a priority. I'll look into it though.

Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
The one thing that is really missing is all the factional batteries. I would really like to use this as a POS planner and that information would be needed.

Very nice work! (If I send some isk will you work on that?) Smile


Absolutely. I'm kinda whorish when it comes to programming. LOL :)

All known bugs fixed, the 25% sov "days remaining" is now rounded properly, the advanced labs are added in, and the POS low fuel reading now has error checking if the evemail is malformed or blank. Its listed as V0.88 and is available using the same link as in the first post. I suggest doing a Add/Remove programs and uninstalling the old version before installing the new. Any other comments/questions/bug reports/suggestions are welcome.

-Jonas

Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.07 18:44:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Jonas Vinthyn
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
The one thing that is really missing is all the factional batteries. I would really like to use this as a POS planner and that information would be needed.

Very nice work! (If I send some isk will you work on that?) Smile


Absolutely. I'm kinda whorish when it comes to programming. LOL :)

Excellent.
Expect to see 50m isk this weekend.

Director Sann
Sann Group
Posted - 2007.09.09 08:02:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Director Sann on 09/09/2007 08:02:15
This is certainly the best POS fitter that I have seen. Simple to use and thats how I like things, would be nice to see a pos fuel manager implemented aswell to monitor multiple POS 's although I understand that it wouldn't be simple to do. Oh Im on the first page on an epic thread Very Happy

This is a must for anyone with a POS.

Director Sann

Jonas Vinthyn
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.10 19:32:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Jita TradeAlt
Two things that would be nice though, a read-out that states how much M3 the fuel will take and a way to input price so it's easy to see the costs. Both things should be simple to implement.

A simplistic price calculation has been added in. Storage calcs may be in the future but we'll see.

Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Excellent.
Expect to see 50m isk this weekend.

Recieved......Thanks!!! Help offset my T2 fitted Nighthawk, a Drake, and two Hawk's I lost this week. Crying or Very sad Man it was a bad PvP week...at least I got a couple kills in. Anyway all faction batteries have been added in and will be available with the next release.

Originally by: Director Sann
This is certainly the best POS fitter that I have seen. Simple to use and thats how I like things, would be nice to see a pos fuel manager implemented aswell to monitor multiple POS 's although I understand that it wouldn't be simple to do.
Director Sann


Multiple POS's have always been my goal and its almost done:

http://www.cassandraslight.com/MyPOS/MyPOSScreenv0-96.jpg

You will have tabs for each POS and the Save button drops down to a "Save All Towers" option so you can save all the towers to one file. Got a little debugging to do but it should be released in a few days.

-Jonas

madaluap
Gallente
Anthrax Foundation
Posted - 2007.09.10 22:22:00 - [15]
 

Thats a nice programm Smile

bigsteve
Minmatar
STK Scientific
Rolling Thunder.
Posted - 2007.09.11 19:05:00 - [16]
 

First, What a great Program.
Second, This program could be the dogs *******s

Is there a Beta Test program?
Is there a Road map of features to be implemented.

Also some input.
Some ppl like me have a computer on 24/7, but not in game 23/7.
Possible you could add a low fuel RL mail warning – it will probably be along time to add in, as you’ll have to enter loads of different fuel levels for each tower,

Jonas Vinthyn
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.12 16:41:00 - [17]
 

Version 1.00 is done! HURRAY!

http://www.cassandraslight.com/mypos.htm

All faction structures should now be included along with multiple tower configs. Save, load, delete towers individually or as a group. Get approx isk prices for the fuel required. Super funness!

Thanks for all the compliments. There really isn't a beta program, the changes are so small and I test it pretty well on my own. No roadmap either....my end goal was a multiple tower POS fitter with fuel calculations and with this release I did that. I may add stuff in the future or clean it up a little but this is what I set out to accomplish. If I get a huge number of people wanting certain features I may add it but we'll see.

-Jonas

Namco
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2007.09.12 18:17:00 - [18]
 

Really liking this so far. Only one thing I can think of that I might like to see added that may/may not be useful to anyone, and that would be: give me the ability to load/save module lists, where I can just load up that group of modules on any tower and see what the differences are really quick, etc.

Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.12 18:22:00 - [19]
 


Karen Stone
Caldari
Lords and Ladies of Stone
Posted - 2007.09.12 18:51:00 - [20]
 

Small, Fast, Simple.


I love this program!

Thank you

demonfurbie
Minmatar
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.09.13 16:07:00 - [21]
 

nice app there ... any chance we could get the code to make sure there is no key loggers ect?

Jonas Vinthyn
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.13 20:52:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: demonfurbie
nice app there ... any chance we could get the code to make sure there is no key loggers ect?


Understandable but I program for good and not evil. :) Either way here is the full source code, Visual Basic 2005 / Dot Net v2.0 Framework with a slight stipulation on its use to protect myself:

I am hereby releasing this source code under the GPL and have included the GPL document as part of the zip file. This software is free and any future revision from this point on must also be made without charge within the restrictions of the GPL. If you do not agree and accept the terms of the GPL you are not allowed to modify or distribute this program, in part or whole.


www.cassandraslight.com/MyPOS/MyPOSCodeVersion1-00.zip


Since I am releasing the source code from this point on ANYONE downloading this software needs to make sure they ONLY download it from my corps website as someone with some programming skills could download the code, modify it and add in a key logger, and reupload it to a site and say its the same thing. Please make sure if you use this program you only download it from the Cassnadra's Light Website and no other source.

-Jonas

P.s. All Programmers: Feel free to criticize / praise my 1337 programming skilz. If you make a positive modification please consider sending it to me for inclusion into future revisions. Evemail me in game preferably to keep code related things out of this forum.

Tamarana
Minmatar
C.L.A.W.
Posted - 2007.09.14 00:01:00 - [23]
 

Why not to include a Magnet link to download the file?
This would let people download the file using a P2P program (Shareaza, eMule or other) and be sure it is unmodified. You can add your server like a source inside the same Magnet link.

Jonas Vinthyn
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.14 00:49:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Jonas Vinthyn on 14/09/2007 00:50:44
Originally by: Tamarana
Why not to include a Magnet link to download the file?
This would let people download the file using a P2P program (Shareaza, eMule or other) and be sure it is unmodified. You can add your server like a source inside the same Magnet link.


I have no idea what you just said so I'll respond with if you want it get it from our website and if you want to check the code and compile it yourself do that. Very Happy

Namco
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2007.09.15 04:15:00 - [25]
 

Not sure why it is I am just now noticing it, but the calcs this is giving me for LO & HW are off by quite a bit. :( Everything else seems to be dead-on, though.

Another bug (or 2) I've seen is when you paste in an evemail in for comparison, first off it wants a carriage return following the last line (so you can't just copy/paste, you copy/paste/return) of text. After that, if you click compare evemail again and paste the same mail, your numbers will kind of go down.. this can be repeated many times, so I really have no idea if this is intended or not.

Jonas Vinthyn
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.15 20:50:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Namco
Not sure why it is I am just now noticing it, but the calcs this is giving me for LO & HW are off by quite a bit. :( Everything else seems to be dead-on, though.

Another bug (or 2) I've seen is when you paste in an evemail in for comparison, first off it wants a carriage return following the last line (so you can't just copy/paste, you copy/paste/return) of text. After that, if you click compare evemail again and paste the same mail, your numbers will kind of go down.. this can be repeated many times, so I really have no idea if this is intended or not.


LO and HW arn't off for me. They should be based on actual PG and CPU usage, the formula was (usage / total available) * fuel per hour. So say a large Amarr tower with nothing fit should be 0 LO, 0 HW, fully fit 150 LO and 150 HW, and in between....well its in between. Fit a large tower with 24 corp hangers and you should have 98 LO (CPU of 3600 / 5500 * 150 per hour at max = 98.18).

As for the compare evemail I should probably lock out the button after you do it once and unlock it (enable it) once you do a calculate again so you can't just keep comparing and have it subtract your supply from the required amount shown as your doing. Although the idea originally was you could paste the low fuel evemail, hit compare, then do it again except put in the numbers for the fuel you have in storage or at a station or whatever and compare a second time so you know what you really need. But I would have to make that much clearer and/or change the "read low evemail" into a "enter supplies" button and you could have the choice of entering the stuff in or reading the evemail.

-Jonas

Landarian
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2007.09.16 02:09:00 - [27]
 

Forgot about charters, used as fuel for a POS in empire space.

Nice program tho, good job :)

Jonas Vinthyn
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.16 13:37:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Landarian
Forgot about charters, used as fuel for a POS in empire space.

Nice program tho, good job :)


Didn't forget.....only wusses put up POS's in empire. Laughing

If I can figure out a way to include them easily I will.

-Jonas

demonfurbie
Minmatar
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.09.17 18:48:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: demonfurbie on 17/09/2007 18:48:58
ty for open sourcing it.

Namco
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2007.09.18 01:58:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Jonas Vinthyn
Originally by: Namco
Not sure why it is I am just now noticing it, but the calcs this is giving me for LO & HW are off by quite a bit. :( Everything else seems to be dead-on, though.



LO and HW arn't off for me. They should be based on actual PG and CPU usage, the formula was (usage / total available) * fuel per hour. So say a large Amarr tower with nothing fit should be 0 LO, 0 HW, fully fit 150 LO and 150 HW, and in between....well its in between. Fit a large tower with 24 corp hangers and you should have 98 LO (CPU of 3600 / 5500 * 150 per hour at max = 98.18).



Here's an example: Medium Minmatar tower in empire, with 1x Corp Hangar Array & 5x Mobile Labs.

1HR HW spreadsheet: 67
1HR HW MyPOS: 66

1HR LO spreadsheet: 21
1HR LO MyPOS: 21

1DAY HW spreadsheet: 1608
1DAY HW MyPOS: 1590

1DAY LO spreadsheet: 504
1DAY LO MyPOS: 494

1WEEK HW spreadsheet: 11256
1WEEK HW MyPOS: 11130

1WEEK LO spreadsheet: 3528
1WEEK LO MyPOS: 3456

etc,etc..

All other material #'s are correct. The #'s from spreadsheet are correct/what I have been using previously.

Please take a look into this?


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