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Deadly Morph
Caldari
Fist of Eargon
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2007.08.27 11:20:00 - [1]
 

From what I know a gtc was about 100 mill

Most people cant afford stupid pricings like 180 mill and 200 mill
We want to play the game and have fun not play to just make more to play to make more to work work work its no fun...

It really sucks thinking of how much isk u have used on gtc and for people like me its the only form of paying for my account

Thnx

Evil or Very MadDeadly MorphEvil or Very Mad

000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2007.08.27 11:27:00 - [2]
 

well sadly for u i think if gtc's would get too cheap then ccp would just do away with them, ccp might be a nice company but there in it for the RL money as well, if everybody could get cheap gtc's nobody would pay for their account anymore.

having said that it would prolly stabilize cuz people selling gtc's would realise it would be cheaper for them to get gtc's for isk also so would stop selling them, so less suppliers so prices of gtc's would increase again.

all in all it is just a question of supply and demand, some people use gtc's to get quick and 'free' isk in a short time.

impo if i had my way selling gtc's for isk would be removed entirely, it's just too easy if u have a phat RL wallet to get a headstart that way, buy a few gtc's sell them ingame for iskies and presto, u win eve. Confused

Asmosis
Posted - 2007.08.27 12:18:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: 000Hunter000
if everybody could get cheap gtc's nobody would pay for their account anymore.


I think you missed the ball entirely on this one. It really doesnt matter who is buying the GTC for the account, whether its the owner or an ISK buyer. The point is the account is being paid for by SOMEONE. More accounts paid for = more real players = more revenue (and better game experience since a crowded pvp game is better than a sparse one).

If every single player bought GTC's for 5mil a piece CCP is still getting the same revenue as before because those GTC's had to come from somewhere...

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2007.08.27 12:26:00 - [4]
 


So why use GTC's in the first place? 15 bucks a month is not a lot of money...

Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
House of El
Posted - 2007.08.27 12:28:00 - [5]
 

I don't think CCP can regulate the ISK price on GTC. They can only regulated the RL price on them.
If I understand correctly, I can buy a GTC for 15 (examploary) and sell it in EvE for 200 mill.
If a lot of people put GTC on the market, I would not sell my GTC in a matter of hours, so I would decrease my price to make sure the card got sold. The others would match my offer to make sure theirs are sold.
If my GTC was sold in a matter of minutes, I would increase my prices, since people seems to hunger for them and there would always be someone with more ISK than the other. Others would follow suit, as it doesn't make sense selling GTC's for 100mill when everyone else are selling for 200mill.

So, start getting people to buy and sell GTC's, and the price will get lower. Or increase you own ISK income Smile

Hope it makes some sense :)


Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
Posted - 2007.08.27 12:33:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Jim McGregor

So why use GTC's in the first place? 15 bucks a month is not a lot of money...


this.

also: lol. find someone who sells them cheaper and you will get them cheaper. this is market.

Cornucopian
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2007.08.27 12:39:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Cornucopian on 27/08/2007 12:41:37
Edited by: Cornucopian on 27/08/2007 12:39:57
Originally by: Jim McGregor

So why use GTC's in the first place? 15 bucks a month is not a lot of money...



Think about it: 1 account = 3 charachters. 1 main, 1 alt for industry, science, manu. 1 macro alt for automining and/or macromissioning (to pay for GTCs) = free eve + extra money for PvP.

I bet HUNDREDS of players do this.

day to day eve:

Get up. set your macro alt. setup jobs with manu alt. go to work.

Come back from work. KA-CHING from macro alt. LEWT and SHIPZ from manu alt.

PVP, explo, whatnot with main. go to bed.

rinse and repeat.

Lazuran
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.08.27 12:46:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Cornucopian

I bet HUNDREDS of players do this.

day to day eve:

Get up. set your macro alt. setup jobs with manu alt. go to work.

Come back from work. KA-CHING from macro alt. LEWT and SHIPZ from manu alt.

PVP, explo, whatnot with main. go to bed.

rinse and repeat.


Does that count as a confession?


Jim McGregor
Posted - 2007.08.27 12:47:00 - [9]
 


Yeah, I guess it makes more sense in that scenario. Paying 45 bucks every month is a bit steep. Wink

What if ccp would have a discount on additional accounts from the same person (up to, perhaps 3 of them)? Lets say 10 bucks for the second account, 5 for the third?

Valan
Posted - 2007.08.27 12:49:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Cornucopian
Edited by: Cornucopian on 27/08/2007 12:41:37
Edited by: Cornucopian on 27/08/2007 12:39:57
Originally by: Jim McGregor

So why use GTC's in the first place? 15 bucks a month is not a lot of money...



Think about it: 1 account = 3 charachters. 1 main, 1 alt for industry, science, manu. 1 macro alt for automining and/or macromissioning (to pay for GTCs) = free eve + extra money for PvP.

I bet HUNDREDS of players do this.

day to day eve:

Get up. set your macro alt. setup jobs with manu alt. go to work.

Come back from work. KA-CHING from macro alt. LEWT and SHIPZ from manu alt.

PVP, explo, whatnot with main. go to bed.

rinse and repeat.


Yeh there are hundreds of players breaking the EULA.

Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
Posted - 2007.08.27 12:49:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Jim McGregor

Yeah, I guess it makes more sense in that scenario. Paying 45 bucks every month is a bit steep. Wink

What if ccp would have a discount on additional accounts from the same person (up to, perhaps 3 of them)? Lets say 10 bucks for the second account, 5 for the third?


then the 4th for free?

imo it should be the other way: 15 for the 1st, 20 for 2nd etc. but as they cant control who has how many accounts its useless to think about...

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.08.27 12:53:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Jim McGregor

Yeah, I guess it makes more sense in that scenario. Paying 45 bucks every month is a bit steep. Wink

What if ccp would have a discount on additional accounts from the same person (up to, perhaps 3 of them)? Lets say 10 bucks for the second account, 5 for the third?



As far as I am concerned, why would you be paying $45/month if you couldn't afford it? Because contrary to what people say, having more than one account is not a necessity to play this game.

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2007.08.27 12:56:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/08/2007 12:57:02
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Jim McGregor

Yeah, I guess it makes more sense in that scenario. Paying 45 bucks every month is a bit steep. Wink

What if ccp would have a discount on additional accounts from the same person (up to, perhaps 3 of them)? Lets say 10 bucks for the second account, 5 for the third?



As far as I am concerned, why would you be paying $45/month if you couldn't afford it? Because contrary to what people say, having more than one account is not a necessity to play this game.


I know, just figured it would make the demand for GTC's drop quite a bit. I would rather pay 25 bucks per month for 2 accounts instead of having one account making hundreds of millions of isk to pay for the second account. Making isk is kind of boring, and I dont really have the time to grind. :)

Cornucopian
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2007.08.27 12:58:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Cornucopian on 27/08/2007 13:00:29
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Cornucopian

I bet HUNDREDS of players do this.

day to day eve:

Get up. set your macro alt. setup jobs with manu alt. go to work.

Come back from work. KA-CHING from macro alt. LEWT and SHIPZ from manu alt.

PVP, explo, whatnot with main. go to bed.

rinse and repeat.


Does that count as a confession?




of course it doesn't. I just realized it. your statement at the bottom is a definite QFT though. IMHO the whole business of ALTS and multiple accounts should be banished. did you READ my sig?

edit: ah, it wasnt the bottom statement, it was your SIG. QFT nonetheless though. TBH, I lost my t2 fitted rax the other day, and it hurt like a mother. Seems nasty to me that people by faction fitted BS as a matter of regular course due to GTC sales.


DubanFP
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.08.27 13:04:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: DubanFP on 27/08/2007 13:05:05
Per month it's not a lot, but that's a rather narrow view. Per year it's $180 per account. A lot of people use multiple accounts. Even 3 accounts is $540 per year which is quite a bit for some people. Honestly GTCs just make things a whole lot easier.

<--College student so cash is a bit tight for me atm. ISK lets me keep playing without making things difficult.

Heikki
Gallente
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2007.08.27 13:16:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Deadly Morph
We want to play the game and have fun not play to just make more to play to make more to work work work its no fun
Yeah, I agree we ought to be able to play without contributing.

Perhaps have Iceland and England to make law that keeping Eve up and maintained is mandatory. Or you had some other plan of keeping Eve online?

By buying GTCs you are trading your ingame 'work' for others RL money. Even suggesting that it should use some fixed mandatory price, like say 1 exotic dancer per month, sounds quite a bit selfish.

-Lasse
who plays only the games he can affod

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.08.27 13:48:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Deadly Morph
From what I know a gtc was about 100 mill

Most people cant afford stupid pricings like 180 mill and 200 mill
We want to play the game and have fun not play to just make more to play to make more to work work work its no fun...

It really sucks thinking of how much isk u have used on gtc and for people like me its the only form of paying for my account

Thnx

Evil or Very MadDeadly MorphEvil or Very Mad



The price is set by players, not by CCP.

You may find that it is rather more time-effective to get a paper round or wash a few cars to get the $40 required to buy a 90-day GTC than it is to grind for ISK for the 400M.

Nocturnal Avenger
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.08.27 15:09:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
I don't think CCP can regulate the ISK price on GTC.


CCP could not care less if the isk price on a 90 day GTC is 1 isk. The GTC seller still has to pay CCP about USD 15.

GTC price is priced using demand for isk and supply of GTC.

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2007.08.27 16:26:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Deadly Morph
From what I know a gtc was about 100 mill

Most people cant afford stupid pricings like 180 mill and 200 mill
We want to play the game and have fun not play to just make more to play to make more to work work work its no fun...

It really sucks thinking of how much isk u have used on gtc and for people like me its the only form of paying for my account

Thnx

Evil or Very MadDeadly MorphEvil or Very Mad


Then buy your own GTC then from your local store? Or maybe get a subscription? Those prices are regulated, and reccomended!

Also, the price for a 90 day gtc is 400 mill (aprox 4,4 mill isk a day), instead of the 180 mill you often pay for a 30 day gtc (aprox 6 mill isk a day), so its not that the players aint giving discounts either Cool




Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2007.08.27 17:19:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger

GTC price is priced using demand for isk and supply of GTC.


Indirectly, it also depends on the measures CCP takes against illegal ISK sales, which might be the main reason why GTCs are more expensive now.


Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2007.08.27 17:21:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Jim McGregor

So why use GTC's in the first place? 15 bucks a month is not a lot of money...



It is to me.

I'm currently unemployed and I have to watch every penny. If I couldn't buy GTC, I probably wouldn't be playing.


Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2007.08.27 17:23:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Jago Kain
Originally by: Jim McGregor

So why use GTC's in the first place? 15 bucks a month is not a lot of money...



It is to me.

I'm currently unemployed and I have to watch every penny. If I couldn't buy GTC, I probably wouldn't be playing.




You lost your job because you played EVE too much, right? :-/



 

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