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Tech Step
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.08.26 13:21:00 - [1]
 

Maybe there is some info on this somewhere, but haven't seen it myself, so I'm going to ask here..

A couple of days ago I got a mail from someone selling ISK (not for the first time, mind you). This seems to be pretty common, as well as people/bots spamming various channels ingame.
Now, I did petition the mail I got, and got a response in turn, saying that "appropriate measures will be taken" or some such, but the character that sent it seems to still be around. I suppose CCP just doesn't have the time to deal with all petitions.
Now to my question: Is there anything else we can do than petition?
Should we petition it every time we get an evemail like that? I imagine if everybody did that, CCP would be flooded with petitions.

Also, what are CCP doing in these cases? Banning the account, I suppose, but there's nothing to stop them from just starting another trial account. Could CCP ban the IP-adress of the ISK seller maybe?

All input welcome. Smile

/Tech Step



Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
House of El
Posted - 2007.08.26 13:34:00 - [2]
 

Petition, yes. It can most certainly not hurt.

Once I did get a lot of those mails, but they stopped after about 2 months. And I've gotten a mail since. So, just endure it and ignore/delete them.
You can ease the annoyance by blocking the mail senders, but they often make new chars Smile

Speculatins: What CCP does, is investigate the seller and probably try to find buyers and the farmer accounts. So instead of just killing the messanger, they take the whole operation. Thats why the spammer can stay quite a while in the game while they get the needed evidence.

To kill ISK sellers, just don't buy the ISK Smile

Transfer chick
Posted - 2007.08.26 13:38:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes

To kill ISK sellers, just don't buy the ISK Smile


QFT.
Unfortunately, some people will always try and cheat like this, I think.

Sazkyen
Posted - 2007.08.26 14:16:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Sazkyen on 26/08/2007 14:16:11
Originally by: Tech Step


...

Now, I did petition the mail I got, and got a response in turn, saying that "appropriate measures will be taken" or some such, but the character that sent it seems to still be around. I suppose CCP just doesn't have the time to deal with all petitions.

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Are you implying something here? Just curious.Shocked

Transfer chick
Posted - 2007.08.26 14:30:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Sazkyen
Edited by: Sazkyen on 26/08/2007 14:16:11
Originally by: Tech Step


...

Now, I did petition the mail I got, and got a response in turn, saying that "appropriate measures will be taken" or some such, but the character that sent it seems to still be around. I suppose CCP just doesn't have the time to deal with all petitions.

...




Are you implying something here? Just curious.Shocked


You mean do I imply that CCP doesn't care, or something like that? No, I do not. I imagine it is quite a task dealing with all these issues.

Tech Step
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.08.26 14:32:00 - [6]
 

Damned alt... :(

CCP Prism X


Gallente
C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2007.08.26 14:44:00 - [7]
 

We can't tell you what we are doing against ISK sellers because if it becomes public knowledge they'll heave a whole lot easier time coming up with counter-counter-measures.
If you come across an ISK seller be sure to petition him and DON'T buy from him.
If you come across someone who you know has bought ISK, petition him as well.
If nobody buys ISK then this wouldn't be an issue, but sadly there will always be people who fancy taking the shortest route to eternal n00bness and pay real money for it to boot.

Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
Posted - 2007.08.26 14:49:00 - [8]
 

how the heck did you come to the conclusion that the character is still around? short of seeing him buzz your battleship ni a reaper there IS no way, a characters info stays in the game even after they have been banned/recycled/eaten by space whales

Grawshellar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.08.26 15:08:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: CCP Prism X

If nobody buys ISK then this wouldn't be an issue, but sadly there will always be people who fancy taking the shortest route to eternal n00bness and pay real money for it to boot.


Like people who sell game time cards! :P


Tech Step
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.08.26 15:11:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Tortun Nahme
how the heck did you come to the conclusion that the character is still around? short of seeing him buzz your battleship ni a reaper there IS no way, a characters info stays in the game even after they have been banned/recycled/eaten by space whales


Really? I would imagine that if an account is banned, the characters on it would be deleted? Thats just what I assumed though, you might be right.

Adonis 4174
Posted - 2007.08.26 15:23:00 - [11]
 

The way to tell if someone is still around is to add them to your addressbook so you get alerted if they log in.

Bumbum George
Posted - 2007.08.26 15:26:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Bumbum George on 26/08/2007 15:26:52
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
how the heck did you come to the conclusion that the character is still around? short of seeing him buzz your battleship ni a reaper there IS no way, a characters info stays in the game even after they have been banned/recycled/eaten by space whales


what about adding the character to your buddy list to see if he is logged in?!?

edit: someone's been faster :D

Undercover Palmtree
Posted - 2007.08.26 15:43:00 - [13]
 

If CCP implements an option where you do not receive mail from trial accounts if enabled.... Problem solved

Transfer chick
Posted - 2007.08.26 15:52:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Undercover Palmtree
If CCP implements an option where you do not receive mail from trial accounts if enabled.... Problem solved


Except that those who DO want to buy isk can then just disable that option.

Aeternita
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.08.26 15:59:00 - [15]
 

simplest is, do not buy their ISK.

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2007.08.26 16:00:00 - [16]
 

It might be worth putting ISK-seller petitions into a dedicated petition category, and raising the cap on active petitions for that category. Some people see far more sellers than they can currently petition.

Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.08.26 16:25:00 - [17]
 

Please make scanner show how far all scanned ships are. Would help me catch half a dozen Ravens every single day.

Kaar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.08.26 16:26:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
It might be worth putting ISK-seller petitions into a dedicated petition category


Yeah, it would save the GM's from manually moving them to the "ignore" folder.

CCP Sharkbait

Posted - 2007.08.26 16:39:00 - [19]
 

the isk sellers are selling isk because people keep buying isk from them.

when we catch people who have brought isk, we will remove the isk from them regardless of if they have the isk or not. we can and will put them into negative funds.

we also have a few tricks coming to help catch sellers and buyers !!!

Captian Internet
Lead Bricks
Posted - 2007.08.26 16:46:00 - [20]
 

Go to L4X with a dictor around 3am EST wait for their hauler and bubble and mock all of their rookieship,capsule, and shuttle scouts.

Just watch out for their ravens they will attack you if you chase them too long

I was actually smacktalked by one

Confused

RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2007.08.26 16:55:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 26/08/2007 16:54:53
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
the isk sellers are selling isk because people keep buying isk from them.

when we catch people who have brought isk, we will remove the isk from them regardless of if they have the isk or not. we can and will put them into negative funds.

we also have a few tricks coming to help catch sellers and buyers !!!


Cool...in the meantime we shall continue to chuckle at every obvious ISK-buyer that gets popped causing them RL financial loss.

And please never lock or kill threads asking "why is my wallet going from +500 billionty to -500 billionty ISK....I didn't buy anything from the market haxz11!!11" Laughing.

Cheaters never prosper Cool


Kazuma Saruwatari
Posted - 2007.08.26 17:10:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Transfer chick
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes

To kill ISK sellers, just don't buy the ISK Smile


QFT.
Unfortunately, some people will always try and cheat like this, I think.

cant be quoted enough, tbh.

Sleepkevert
Amarr
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.08.26 17:24:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we also have a few tricks coming to help catch sellers and buyers !!!

Nice Smile
I do hope it stops the ISK spamming in the public channels, IMHO that is the most annoying thing the sellers do =/

Which brings me to another point, the state the rookie help, and public help channels are in. Swearing, isk sell spamming, and most annoying thing there is GM/channel admin/CCP person there most of the time.

Tommiles
Gallente
LK Venture Group
Clownz'R'Us
Posted - 2007.08.26 17:47:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: CCP Prism X
If nobody buys ISK then this wouldn't be an issue, but sadly there will always be people who fancy taking the shortest route to eternal n00bness and pay real money for it to boot.
your becoming my signature

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2007.08.26 22:15:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Grawshellar
Originally by: CCP Prism X

If nobody buys ISK then this wouldn't be an issue, but sadly there will always be people who fancy taking the shortest route to eternal n00bness and pay real money for it to boot.


Like people who sell game time cards! :P




sadly that's only half the issue, the part that is isn't important.

RigelKentaurus
Flying Tartiflette
Caldari Deep Space Industral
Posted - 2007.08.26 22:23:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: RigelKentaurus on 27/08/2007 00:00:58
Originally by: CCP Prism X
If you come across an ISK seller be sure to petition him


GMs are going to hang themselves if everyone starts petitionning every isk seller seen, it would had thousands of petitions each day.

Jita TradeAlt
Posted - 2007.08.26 23:59:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
the isk sellers are selling isk because people keep buying isk from them.

when we catch people who have brought isk, we will remove the isk from them regardless of if they have the isk or not. we can and will put them into negative funds.

we also have a few tricks coming to help catch sellers and buyers !!!
Just make a stickied BS news item that says all isk buyers will get set into negative funds and that you are currently catching 99% of them since it's very easy to detect thanks to SECRETSECRET reasons etc.


 

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