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Eric Nolani
Invicta.
Posted - 2007.08.28 21:51:00 - [121]
 

MS aren't as invincible as you think in lowsec. Yea u cant bubble them, but bumping is effective enough, and getting their cap down so they cant jump isnt hard either. Annnnnd..a 30-40bil ship has every right to be tough to kill. Once I start seeing multiple MS and titans on lowsec gates though I'm gonna think ppl are overdoing it! ;)

Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.08.28 21:57:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Eric Nolani
Yea u cant bubble them, but bumping is effective enough, and getting their cap down so they cant jump isnt hard either.

A mothership that's being bumped by a capship is going to cyno out. A mothership that sees numbers in local jump as a vampire fleet jumps in is going to cyno out.

Any ship that requires gross negligence/incompetence on the part of the pilot to be defeated (and we're not talking "oops, I made a little mistake and died," we're talking "well, I went friggin' afk and came back to my MOM out of cap and surrounded by capships") has a bit of a balance problem I think.

And really, it's not even the ship itself. It's just the fact that it can enter space where it can disengage at will and wreak ultimate havok until such a fleet appears to make it run.

Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
Posted - 2007.08.28 22:08:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Alt 363
To all the idiots who say "lolol just bump and nos it" go ask 0utbreak about the time they tried to kill establishments nyx in lowsec some months ago.


And then ask RA 'n' Co. what happened when they tried to kill in 0.0 a couple of days after. There's too much of an inbalance between the absolute invulnerability in lowsec and the incredible vulnerability in lowsec. Just look at Hera's activity in the weeks before it died. Before the engagement where it is actually killed - it takes over 5 pages to find even a moderate-sized engagement in 0.0, and nothing like a large engagement is anywhere in sight. EST aren't stupid, the mothership stayed mostly outside of 0.0 because there's a massive, massive, massive risk to the use of supercaps in 0.0, and next to no risk in lowsec. Dictor bubbles are just waaay too overpowered in the holding down of supercaps. There's absolutely no defense against them, and they cost nearly nothing. IMO there needs to be a capital-sized scrambler module introduced, or a specialised capital interdictor that can scramble in lowsec, just to level the playing field.

Bein Glorious
SAKUMA DROP
ANAHEIM ELECTRONICS Alliance
Posted - 2007.08.28 22:30:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Garreck

A mothership that's being bumped by a capship is going to cyno out. A mothership that sees numbers in local jump as a vampire fleet jumps in is going to cyno out.

Any ship that requires gross negligence/incompetence on the part of the pilot to be defeated (and we're not talking "oops, I made a little mistake and died," we're talking "well, I went friggin' afk and came back to my MOM out of cap and surrounded by capships") has a bit of a balance problem I think.

And really, it's not even the ship itself. It's just the fact that it can enter space where it can disengage at will and wreak ultimate havok until such a fleet appears to make it run.


this dude is on the ball

Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
Posted - 2007.08.28 22:30:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Originally by: Alt 363
To all the idiots who say "lolol just bump and nos it" go ask 0utbreak about the time they tried to kill establishments nyx in lowsec some months ago.


And then ask RA 'n' Co. what happened when they tried to kill in 0.0 a couple of days after. There's too much of an inbalance between the absolute invulnerability in lowsec and the incredible vulnerability in lowsec. Just look at Hera's activity in the weeks before it died. Before the engagement where it is actually killed - it takes over 5 pages to find even a moderate-sized engagement in 0.0, and nothing like a large engagement is anywhere in sight. EST aren't stupid, the mothership stayed mostly outside of 0.0 because there's a massive, massive, massive risk to the use of supercaps in 0.0, and next to no risk in lowsec. Dictor bubbles are just waaay too overpowered in the holding down of supercaps. There's absolutely no defense against them, and they cost nearly nothing. IMO there needs to be a capital-sized scrambler module introduced, or a specialised capital interdictor that can scramble in lowsec, just to level the playing field.


The bigger the punch, the bigger the risk. Motherships are not to be flied solo. They are fleet ships. And in fleets they are not too vulnerable at all. If you fly solo in 0.0 and a dictor AND a dread fleet catch you, mate, well, you had it coming.

If you don't have the balls to take risks don't pilot expensive ships. Simple as that.

Salr Ayshuermei
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.08.29 09:12:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: Salr Ayshuermei on 29/08/2007 09:13:05
The price of a ship is never a justification for it to be immune to destruction. I remember it wasn't that long ago when CCP nerfed stabs so people couldn't fit all their lows with them and jump out at the first sight of danger. But that's exactly how supercapitals are. They have in essence an infinite number of stabs fitted. You can't bubble in low sec, so there's no way to hold it down.

A mothership is a huge investment, but it should also be a huge risk to use. They really should be fleet ships, with bonuses to gangs and support abilities to make a fleet better. Motherships should not be solo pwnmobiles where you don't need any support and can camp gates without a worry of ever being even put in danger.



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