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CT Tarantula
Caldari
Posted - 2007.08.24 20:03:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: CT Tarantula on 24/08/2007 20:04:34
Hi,

HOW THE HELL can ppl access MY bank account in eve??? a player took 500 milj from my account leaving me with a debt of 387 Milj isk

how can this be? i havent shared my inlog/password with any one..

i really ****ed coz it should not even be possible to get below 0 in the first place...

see below the picture of my wallet and playername done this...Picture of wallet

Trixie Baggz
Pyrrhus Sicarii
The Church.
Posted - 2007.08.24 20:26:00 - [2]
 

Oh lawdz, someones been buying ISK.

Isentro
CyberDyne Industries
Carpe Universitas
Posted - 2007.08.24 20:35:00 - [3]
 

lol

Grez
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
Posted - 2007.08.24 20:38:00 - [4]
 

Don't buy ISK.

lofty29
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.08.24 20:41:00 - [5]
 

*Snip* owned Cool
Please do not bypass the profanity filter. -ReverendM

Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2007.08.24 20:41:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Andrue on 24/08/2007 20:42:35
Originally by: CT Tarantula
Edited by: CT Tarantula on 24/08/2007 20:04:34
Hi,

HOW THE HELL can ppl access MY bank account in eve??? a player took 500 milj from my account leaving me with a debt of 387 Milj isk
It's not 'your' bank account, it belongs to CCP. You have access to it and its contents only as long as you agree to play their game according to their rules.

The transaction was initiated by a GM which is very suggestive. If you move the mouse over the [r] it will give you an explanation. As the other poster said you've probably been buying Isk through third party sites. That is against the EULA (ie;against game rules).

Oh and it also makes you an object of ridicule for not knowing about the rules and for being so sad as to need to resort to cheating.

Monkey Saturday
Unknown Soldiers
The Spire Collective
Posted - 2007.08.24 21:59:00 - [7]
 

shoop da woop

isk buying be bad!Rolling Eyes Makes it harder for the rest of us legit pilots.

ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2007.08.24 22:12:00 - [8]
 

I don't get it... if he bought isk, why would the money be transferred to another player?

Egetsunai Yajuu
Posted - 2007.08.24 22:16:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: ElCoCo
I don't get it... if he bought isk, why would the money be transferred to another player?


GM's essentially removed the iskies from the game I think. maybe by sending it back to the seller and then banning to sellers account Laughing

hUssmann
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.08.24 23:23:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: hUssmann on 24/08/2007 23:25:17
GM's actually doing their job...surprising. Laughing

Nicocat
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.08.25 00:02:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: hUssmann
Edited by: hUssmann on 24/08/2007 23:25:17
GM's actually doing their job...surprising. Laughing

After the deal with Farscape HW, I'm amazed their heads haven't caved in from having nothing to support their skulls...

Ancy Denaries
Posted - 2007.08.27 14:08:00 - [12]
 

That's what you get for buying ISK you 'tard :D *lols*

LadyShu
Back to Yarrr
Posted - 2007.08.28 13:36:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: LadyShu on 28/08/2007 13:36:17
self owned what? Twisted Evil

Blank Protection
State War Academy
Posted - 2007.08.28 13:48:00 - [14]
 

hahahahahaha -387 million ISK.LaughingLaughing
That must be hurting.Good for ya.

Veldspar mining again for your buddy or actually cheater.
Be glad CCP didnt perm banned you.

Learnify
Posted - 2007.08.28 15:14:00 - [15]
 

I like how everyone insults the isk-selling, and disparages isk-buyers. It's just funny cause CCP is very hypocritical, as they are the biggest isk-sellers of all. They sell it through timecodes, and eliminate all competition by retroactively stealing all virtual property (read: isk) that was not bought through them. (Yes it is stealing when you take something someone else bought, regardless of what any EULA may say. EULAs have no real legal power.)

Sleepkevert
Amarr
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.08.28 15:20:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Learnify
I like how everyone insults the isk-selling, and disparages isk-buyers. It's just funny cause CCP is very hypocritical, as they are the biggest isk-sellers of all. They sell it through timecodes, and eliminate all competition by retroactively stealing all virtual property (read: isk) that was not bought through them. (Yes it is stealing when you take something someone else bought, regardless of what any EULA may say. EULAs have no real legal power.)
Lol, nothing in the game is yours, it remains the sole property of CCP.
What do you want to do? sue them because they took your ISK? Ohnoes, that wasn't yours in the first place...

Grez
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
Posted - 2007.08.28 15:41:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Learnify
I like how everyone insults the isk-selling, and disparages isk-buyers. It's just funny cause CCP is very hypocritical, as they are the biggest isk-sellers of all. They sell it through timecodes, and eliminate all competition by retroactively stealing all virtual property (read: isk) that was not bought through them. (Yes it is stealing when you take something someone else bought, regardless of what any EULA may say. EULAs have no real legal power.)


When they buy/sell timecodes - all the profit goes to CCP. When people actually buy/sell ISK through third-parties, they don't get any money. They don't mind people paying isk to play the game - it's quite a nice thing to have in actuality (what other game do you know that allows people to do this?).

They are completely different things.

Toridas Naradak
Posted - 2007.08.28 15:47:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Learnify
I like how everyone insults the isk-selling, and disparages isk-buyers. It's just funny cause CCP is very hypocritical, as they are the biggest isk-sellers of all. They sell it through timecodes, and eliminate all competition by retroactively stealing all virtual property (read: isk) that was not bought through them. (Yes it is stealing when you take something someone else bought, regardless of what any EULA may say. EULAs have no real legal power.)


1. player buys timecode from CCP
2. player trades timecode to another player for ISK

Which of those steps has CCP selling ISK? All the ISK in the equation comes from players. CCP is only selling time codes.

Tecro Nashota
Inako Industries
Posted - 2007.08.28 16:12:00 - [19]
 

You bought ISK knowing it's not allowed, and someone takes that same amount of ISK out of your wallet again and it says GM all over the place ?

And that didn't ring any bells ?


Madman Murry
Posted - 2007.08.28 19:03:00 - [20]
 

It could also be a reversal of insurance payouts for ships lost that were petitioned and reversed.

kollet
Posted - 2007.08.28 21:30:00 - [21]
 

ROFL dirty little isk buyer,,, i feel sorry for you dude
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

kollet
Posted - 2007.08.28 21:32:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Learnify
I like how everyone insults the isk-selling, and disparages isk-buyers. It's just funny cause CCP is very hypocritical, as they are the biggest isk-sellers of all. They sell it through timecodes, and eliminate all competition by retroactively stealing all virtual property (read: isk) that was not bought through them. (Yes it is stealing when you take something someone else bought, regardless of what any EULA may say. EULAs have no real legal power.)


ops alt or dirty little isk seller,?

Ess Erbe
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.08.28 23:22:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Learnify
I like how everyone insults the isk-selling, and disparages isk-buyers. It's just funny cause CCP is very hypocritical, as they are the biggest isk-sellers of all. They sell it through timecodes, and eliminate all competition by retroactively stealing all virtual property (read: isk) that was not bought through them. (Yes it is stealing when you take something someone else bought, regardless of what any EULA may say. EULAs have no real legal power.)


Portions of some EULA's may prove to have no legal power if tested in a court of law.

However, EVE's EULA is pretty watertight, and especially regarding this.

K'reemy G'udness
Posted - 2007.08.29 01:31:00 - [24]
 

So, you paid real life money to buy video game money, then your video game money got taken by the GM.

I bet you feel pretty stupid right about now. Very Happy

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2007.08.29 03:25:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Karlemgne on 29/08/2007 03:27:27
Originally by: Toridas Naradak
Originally by: Learnify
I like how everyone insults the isk-selling, and disparages isk-buyers. It's just funny cause CCP is very hypocritical, as they are the biggest isk-sellers of all. They sell it through timecodes, and eliminate all competition by retroactively stealing all virtual property (read: isk) that was not bought through them. (Yes it is stealing when you take something someone else bought, regardless of what any EULA may say. EULAs have no real legal power.)


1. player buys timecode from CCP
2. player trades timecode to another player for ISK

Which of those steps has CCP selling ISK? All the ISK in the equation comes from players. CCP is only selling time codes.


This isn't here nor there to the original posters problem, however I will answer you.

Having worked in the MMO industry in the past, I can promise you that any "objection" to isk or currency trading from the companies that publish MMOs revolves around the "sale" and transfer of their intellectual property.

What I mean to say is, companies do not like it when people are trading real currency for game currency and items, because they don't see any of the money that has changed hands because of THEIR game.

This leaves developers in a sticky situation. Simply selling items to customers directly is an option, but this increases inflation issues, and disturbs a very complex formula that regulates the amount of currency and items that flow into the game (through NPCs and questing) and the amount of money that comes out of the game (taxes on player transactions, etc.)

Some companies, like SOE, have opted to create servers where item and currency trading is acceptable. They then control all currency and money transfers through the "station exchange," charging a small fee for each transaction.

CCP has chosen a third method (and a rather ingenious one at that) to get their "piece" of currency exchanges in EVE-0. By allowing people to sell time cards for isk, CCP receives all of the "cash" that in most cases would have gone to a third party. For example, player A (the seller) gives CCP $15 for a time code, this player then sells the time code for isk to player B. So, player A has purchased isk from CCP, in a round about way, but the isk is isk that is already IN game.

There are secondary benefits from this as well, like people who typically couldn't afford a monthly subscription being able to play in virtue of their success in game.

-Karlemgne

Shuckstar
Gallente
Hauling hogs
Swine Aviation Labs
Posted - 2007.08.29 04:01:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Madman Murry
It could also be a reversal of insurance payouts for ships lost that were petitioned and reversed.


Yep it could be that reason aswell.


Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2007.08.29 07:15:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Ess Erbe
Originally by: Learnify
I like how everyone insults the isk-selling, and disparages isk-buyers. It's just funny cause CCP is very hypocritical, as they are the biggest isk-sellers of all. They sell it through timecodes, and eliminate all competition by retroactively stealing all virtual property (read: isk) that was not bought through them. (Yes it is stealing when you take something someone else bought, regardless of what any EULA may say. EULAs have no real legal power.)


Portions of some EULA's may prove to have no legal power if tested in a court of law.

However, EVE's EULA is pretty watertight, and especially regarding this.
It would never be tested in a court of law because it's too trivial. Everything in the game-world belongs to CCP. CCP have absolutely right to say who can or cannot access their servers.

Once you understand those two facts you realise that the EULA is basically a set of game rules. You either play by those rules or don't play. You don't need a court to decide that.

Rock Lobster
Harmless Debris Field
Posted - 2007.08.29 12:31:00 - [28]
 

And don't even start the almost slave labour used in ISK/Gold/$MMOCurrency$ farming...

ViRUS Pottage
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.08.29 13:34:00 - [29]
 

Rofl. Pwnt?

That some 'WtfBBQPwnage' from CCP ;)

Drazi1
Minmatar
The Knights Templar
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2007.08.29 15:12:00 - [30]
 

Oh dear some isk buyer has lost all his cash, what a shame, go play the game as it was intended. U was shotdown big time by CCP. Nice one :-D


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