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hUssmann
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.08.23 22:45:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax


Lack of reading



Speaking of a lack of reading, you've still not answered my question.

Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.08.23 22:54:00 - [182]
 

Believe it or not, I only owe(d) him 750 million. He got 500 million of the 1.25 billion immediately.

Out of curiosity, I sent him the rest of his 1.25 billion, and we'll see how many more pages the flaming continues, to the tune of "You only paid because you got shamed."

Antithysis
Gallente
Dissonic Execution
Aggressive Dissonance
Posted - 2007.08.23 22:59:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
Believe it or not, I only owe(d) him 750 million. He got 500 million of the 1.25 billion immediately.

Out of curiosity, I sent him the rest of his 1.25 billion, and we'll see how many more pages the flaming continues, to the tune of "You only paid because you got shamed."


Why do we need to smack? You paid the debt, and the problem is now resolved. Not much more to talk about tbh, good on ya for paying up.

-Anti-

Scheikunde
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.08.23 23:01:00 - [184]
 

payment is done, so this can be locked i guess

Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2007.08.23 23:03:00 - [185]
 

Edited by: Nexa Necis on 23/08/2007 23:03:29
I think it's a good thing that you paid. It sounded like Siren definitely deserved it.

I read his posts here and he said himself that people are jumping the gun and bashing you before you had a chance to reply.

I think had you presented your case, regardless of the bashers, your rep wouldn't have been tarnished but maybe a tiny bit. Then if you followed through with the communal opinion decision, your rep would be back to normal or at least untarnished.

Even with you paying at this point, the damage has definitely been done.

Still at least you paid. Laughing


Heikki
Gallente
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2007.08.23 23:04:00 - [186]
 

Edited by: Heikki on 23/08/2007 23:05:11
Edit: With Curzon's announcement on #182, this post become quite obsolete.
Originally by: Curzon Dax
little patience would have resolved .. created a lose/lose situation
Till your first post it was easily salvageable, with words like 'I told Siren I would deal with it when I got back; I've now sent him the money'. Those would have maintained your reputation towards those not already biased with you.

Now you're projecting attitude, that you do will hold on deals, unless the other party gives you excuse to get out.

If you're man of word and an in mistake made a deal with an *hole, you still gotta go through the deal; not because the party is honorable but because you value your own reputation. After the deal you get to ignore hi, or take your revenge as you wish.

-Lasse
theoretically honorable

Siren Sylvanis
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
Posted - 2007.08.23 23:04:00 - [187]
 

Curzon has paid: 750 mill has just arrived in my wallet, and the issue has been resolved. I am sorry, Curzon, for the trouble this thread has generated over the issue of your character. It was never my intention to let this turn into a multi-page personal attack on you; as far as I knew when I started this thread, you would have responded quickly with your side.

My first post was less neutral than it could have been, because I expected a quick rebuttal. I'm sorry about the communication error that left the rebuttal 12 hours delayed.

You have honored the agreement as laid out, even despite being handicapped by a game bug, and for that I think nothing less of you. I hope this mess of the forums doesn't make you think less of me, either.

Although your wish that I die in a green fire that smells like rotten eggs while listening to Bon Jovi and naked except for a sun bonnet as compromising pictures are taken of me seems to indicate that I shall just have to be even more ruthless to you at the poker tables.

Underpaid Overworked
Posted - 2007.08.23 23:11:00 - [188]
 


Props for admitting your loss and paying up. While I don't think it was worth risking your rep over 750 mil, at least you did the right thing in the end.

Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.08.23 23:14:00 - [189]
 

I'm waiting to Siren to accept my 1.5 billion ISK heads up poker game....

Mr Floppyknickers
Mr. Floppyknickers Corp
Posted - 2007.08.23 23:24:00 - [190]
 

Edited by: Mr Floppyknickers on 23/08/2007 23:26:29
Moot, the boy paid up. Nice to see you made a correct choice, but sad to see you had to be conivinced to do it.

Shari Vegas
Minmatar
Ctrl Alt Elites
Posted - 2007.08.23 23:31:00 - [191]
 

Good for you for paying up.

Shows some character.

Vandalias
Posted - 2007.08.23 23:32:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
Out of curiosity, I sent him the rest of his 1.25 billion


You should have paid him at the beginning, but good to see that its been settled.

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2007.08.23 23:36:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
I'm waiting to Siren to accept my 1.5 billion ISK heads up poker game....


Where do you guys play ?

Aya
Posted - 2007.08.23 23:55:00 - [194]
 

can i 1 v 1 ur scorpion? :D

Harrana
Hellfire Hounds
House of Mercury
Posted - 2007.08.24 00:05:00 - [195]
 

I read some of it, blah blah blah, both arguments are valid, but i side with Curzon just for his Eve-O is for BOB song, itss friggin hilarious, and i'm pro-BOB Surprised

Glad to hear its settled though, this thread should be buried so i dunno why i'm giving it a free bump Rolling Eyes

Aldus Extremis
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.08.24 00:13:00 - [196]
 

I guess I might be a little slow. Usually when you set a wager, if you win you get your wager back plus profits. So if you bet $1 at 10-1 odds and you win, you get $11 for the bet.

Siren wagered 500million at 2.5-1 he should get his 500million back plus 1.25 billion. I must have missed something.

I would recommend you amend your rules seeing as rule #5 leaves no room for bugged ships and other situations you seem to feel might constitute a no-contest fight.

>5. Cloaking, warping away, and disengaging (increasing your >distance to more than 200km) from the fight all constitute >surrender.



The only reason I mention this is cause it's going to bug me all night. I enjoy your humour, Dax, and the color your bring to the game and hope you continue to do so as honorably as I've seen you act in the past.

Siolorin
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.08.24 00:33:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: Aldus Extremis
I guess I might be a little slow. Usually when you set a wager, if you win you get your wager back plus profits. So if you bet $1 at 10-1 odds and you win, you get $11 for the bet.

Siren wagered 500million at 2.5-1 he should get his 500million back plus 1.25 billion. I must have missed something.


qft. Should have another 500 mil coming, but that's for Siren to pursue if he wants to.

Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.08.24 00:48:00 - [198]
 

Edited by: Curzon Dax on 24/08/2007 00:48:40
Sorry, don't quite follow.

On a regular fight, if you win you get 500% of whatever your entry fee was for winning. This was 2.5:1. He got 250% of it. IE, 1.25 billion ISK. 1.75 billion would have been 3.5:1, or 350% payout.

Might need to check your math.

*EDIT*

Here's a copy and paste for you.

Bets for High-sec enabled players: 100,000,000 1,000,000,000 Win: 500,000,000 5,000,000,000
Bets for High-sec disabled players: 500,000,000 1,000,000,000 Win: 2,500,000,000 5,000,000,000

Do the math yourself.

Vandalias
Posted - 2007.08.24 01:00:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
Edited by: Curzon Dax on 24/08/2007 00:48:40
Sorry, don't quite follow.

On a regular fight, if you win you get 500% of whatever your entry fee was for winning. This was 2.5:1. He got 250% of it. IE, 1.25 billion ISK. 1.75 billion would have been 3.5:1, or 350% payout.

Might need to check your math.

*EDIT*

Here's a copy and paste for you.

Bets for High-sec enabled players: 100,000,000 1,000,000,000 Win: 500,000,000 5,000,000,000
Bets for High-sec disabled players: 500,000,000 1,000,000,000 Win: 2,500,000,000 5,000,000,000

Do the math yourself.


Take a look at http://www.ultimatecapper.com/payouts.htm for an example.

On a $1 bet at 10-1 odds you get $11.

Harrana
Hellfire Hounds
House of Mercury
Posted - 2007.08.24 01:04:00 - [200]
 

Edited by: Harrana on 24/08/2007 01:04:51
I think they're saying ou get your money in the pot back...and then the multiplied number.

But that's following normal gambling rules. This is Curzon's tournament so Curzon decides the pay-out proportions.

50freefly
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.08.24 01:06:00 - [201]
 

Viola

Vandalias
Posted - 2007.08.24 01:09:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Harrana
Edited by: Harrana on 24/08/2007 01:04:51
I think they're saying ou get your money in the pot back...and then the multiplied number.

But that's following normal gambling rules. This is Curzon's tournament so Curzon decides the pay-out proportions.


True, however from the terminology in the post:

The prize is based on a 5:1 bet. Whatever your entry fee is on the fight, I will match by 500%.


It sure sounds like he's using gambling rules. Not saying he can't set the payout however he sees fit, but it should be crystal clear. Personally reading that section I would expect to get my initial bet back as well if I won.

Siren Sylvanis
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
Posted - 2007.08.24 01:33:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: Vandalias
Originally by: Harrana
Edited by: Harrana on 24/08/2007 01:04:51
I think they're saying ou get your money in the pot back...and then the multiplied number.

But that's following normal gambling rules. This is Curzon's tournament so Curzon decides the pay-out proportions.


True, however from the terminology in the post:

The prize is based on a 5:1 bet. Whatever your entry fee is on the fight, I will match by 500%.


It sure sounds like he's using gambling rules. Not saying he can't set the payout however he sees fit, but it should be crystal clear. Personally reading that section I would expect to get my initial bet back as well if I won.



That was what I thought, too. But Curzon's rationale is that the 500 mill was the entry fee, to a competition that pays 1.25 bill total. It's valid, and I'm going to consider this settled and not pursue it further.

Now, about that 1.5 bill isk poker game... you're going to have to wait for my wallet to creep up to 1.5 bill, I'm afraid.

Hauling Buddy
Posted - 2007.08.24 01:38:00 - [204]
 

Hehe. I've been following this all day. Glad to see Dax decided to do the right thing in the end and that all parties are happy.

When I first read he paid out 750 mil, I thought it was not right either. But his use of the term "entry fee" says to me, that this is isk paid to fight Dax and is to be kept by Dax win or loose. If they win they get what ever Dax put up.

Had he not used the "enrty fee" term, I would agree he needs to pay another 500 mil.


Grishnarg
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.08.24 01:41:00 - [205]
 

This is so pathetic. I really enjoyed all I have read about you Dax, and think you make great fun. But this is so bad. In the beginning of the thread I thought; whatever, its Dax, he'll fix it with a shrug and a handshake. I actually believed in you, man. I did not care a bit about all the flaming. Innocent until proven guilty. But in my eyes, now you are just a to-rich-to-care-for-nobody-but-yourself tard. I wonder if u have any EvE-"friends" you listen to, that will not lick you up the back, and actually tell you that this was rotten.
You say you don't care what other people say and think of you; why did you pay then? To stop this thread? To make us lowlife think "he's not that bad really."? To be able to still have some credibility with all the other things you are involved with? Why? You care for no one else in EvE, so why didn't you keep your easy earned isk? Ahh, thats right! You don't need 'em!! You have enough to buy all the carebears in the game their own Domi.... -as long as they don't fit any ECM, and tries bbq'ing you!!!!

I USED to think you were ok....

Adelorae24
Caldari
Limited Mercy
Posted - 2007.08.24 01:44:00 - [206]
 

So he pays up to calm everyone down. Now if you had only done it hours ago I might think you have some of that integrity you're always talking about. Instead I now see that not only did you bend the rules to your favor, but you also have no resolve in the face of public opinion. What's more, several have already posted about the damage already done.

Now if you really want to help yourself out. Fight and beat our challenger 1v1 no restrictions, and no excuses. I can't say if Freddy will still want to put 1Billion in the pot, since we know we can't trust our money in your hands. No one on the forums will run to our rescue to get you to pay up after all.

Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.08.24 01:55:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Grishnarg
This is so pathetic. I really enjoyed all I have read about you Dax, and think you make great fun. But this is so bad. In the beginning of the thread I thought; whatever, its Dax, he'll fix it with a shrug and a handshake. I actually believed in you, man. I did not care a bit about all the flaming. Innocent until proven guilty. But in my eyes, now you are just a to-rich-to-care-for-nobody-but-yourself tard. I wonder if u have any EvE-"friends" you listen to, that will not lick you up the back, and actually tell you that this was rotten.
You say you don't care what other people say and think of you; why did you pay then? To stop this thread? To make us lowlife think "he's not that bad really."? To be able to still have some credibility with all the other things you are involved with? Why? You care for no one else in EvE, so why didn't you keep your easy earned isk? Ahh, thats right! You don't need 'em!! You have enough to buy all the carebears in the game their own Domi.... -as long as they don't fit any ECM, and tries bbq'ing you!!!!

I USED to think you were ok....


I paid because my mercenary CEO told me that he felt I was in the wrong. His opinion holds some weight; I trust him.

RAK, flame on as you like - I think we've already established that your thoughts are meaningless.

Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.08.24 02:04:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
Believe it or not, I only owe(d) him 750 million. He got 500 million of the 1.25 billion immediately.

Out of curiosity, I sent him the rest of his 1.25 billion, and we'll see how many more pages the flaming continues, to the tune of "You only paid because you got shamed."


You paid up..so case closed Wink

tbh..you will only get more pages of flame if they didn't read the post where you said you paid Razz

Guilt, conscience, shame, the merc inside you..whatever the reason, you did the right thing x

Aille Pluthrak
Caldari
Racketeers
Posted - 2007.08.24 02:06:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
I paid because my mercenary CEO told me that he felt I was in the wrong. His opinion holds some weight; I trust him.

RAK, flame on as you like - I think we've already established that your thoughts are meaningless.

Well, seems you need to be told when to do the right thing. You are has untrustworthy has the rest of us. You would fit right in.

Adelorae24
Caldari
Limited Mercy
Posted - 2007.08.24 02:15:00 - [210]
 

Need I point out the fact that at least on this issue the community agreed with our assessment of the situation. Most notably a distinguished member of MC. On the lighter side... This has just made my day at work. So gratz to Siren for getting paid, and thanks to you Curzon for letting those true colors show for everyone to see.


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