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Fedaykin Naib
Celestial Apocalypse
The Requiem
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:22:00 - [151]
 

So, you declaring yourself Battleship Champion, means your the Battleship Champion? right.......Rolling Eyes

What's the stats of this so-called champion in BS fights?

Khavid Kharver
Amarr
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:24:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
awww hell, another post.

I'm not paying because this was a lose/lose situation as soon as this post started. Either

1. I'm a scammer for not paying, or

2. I only pay debts when blackmailed / shamed into it.

Neither of those are correct. Giving Siren ISK after 4 pages of people screaming "OMG scammer" doesn't change anyone's opinion. Like I said, it was his call to make this thread; it couldn't turn into anything other than the 5 page flamefest that it has.

He made a calculated decision. *shrugs*

So a bunch of people think I'm a scammer now...giving Siren 1.25 billion isn't going to change that. Thus, there is nothing for me to gain from giving him more ISK. Presented in a different light, with a neutral report of events, would have been different.

Understand that there's a difference between a post that presents a story asking for input, and a story accusing someone of being a scammer. That's the difference in the presentation.

Assassin X, yes, I'm laughing. :)

I'm laughing because a bunch of people think that I care about their virtual opinion, when it is expressed in result to an unbalanced, partial story told to portray me as a bad person.

This is me chuckling some more. LaughingLaughingLaughing




Well, Dax, you beat me to making some of these points.

1)Looking at from what you said happened, and in a neutral light, had input been asked, I would say you lost and should pay.

2)This thread wasn't presented in a neutral way, even Siren could have done that, but instead he chose to present it as a "Look I was hosed, he's proven to be a scammer".

3)At this point, I don't see how anything you do isn't a loser for you. Either you are a scammer, or you are a scammer who can be blackmailed out of 1.25 billion.

4)Even Siren says you had agreed to present it and abide by the decision here, so a 15 minute wait is absurd. He knew there was an outage, and its not unreasonable for YOU to have not waited for it to come back given the time the fight ended. ANd he doesn't have the excuse of not knowing you.

T'Renn
Silver Snake Enterprise
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:26:00 - [153]
 

Edited by: T''Renn on 23/08/2007 21:28:20
wow this whole thing was totally unexpected and would be like if verone suddenly told his corp that honoring ransoms was optional or if 0utbreak were to armor tank.

I was merely disappointed in curzon when I read the initial story. I like curzon and was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt somewhat since I figured he'd eventually make good on the wager -- he is mr. richy mcrichpants after all, right?

But then Curzon came in here and said he WOULD HAVE paid Siren but he didn't because Siren came to the forums and told the story first. I went from disappointed to disgusted. It turns out RAK was right about you all along. Youre worse than Tiller or Ginger or anyone else who's ever stunk up these forums. At least they didn't rub their carebearing in our faces. To me you're just another shady carebear who only knows how to play half the game. Pathetic.

Bosie
THE C0RP
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:28:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
awww hell, another post.

I'm not paying because this was a lose/lose situation as soon as this post started. Either

1. I'm a scammer for not paying, or

2. I only pay debts when blackmailed / shamed into it.




You had no intention of paying before this thread was up, if you did you would have payed him. Claiming that he is not getting his ISK because he posted a thread after you refused to pay him on the grounds that he posted a thread after you refused to pay him... Doc Brown a mate of yours?

Character suicide, this one is a good one.

Khavid Kharver
Amarr
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:29:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: T'Renn
wow this whole thing was totally unexpected and would be like if verone suddenly told his corp that honoring ransoms was optional or if 0utbreak were to armor tank.

I was merely disappointed in curzon when I read the initial story. I like curzon and was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt somewhat since I figured he'd eventually make good on the wager -- he is mr. richy mcrichpants after all, right?

But then Curzon came in here and said he WOULD HAVE paid Siren but he didn't because Siren came to the forums and told the story first. I went from disappointed to disgusted. It turns out RAK was right about you all along. Your worse than Tiller or Ginger or anyone else who's ever stunk up these forums. At least they didn't rub their carebearing in our faces. To me you're just another shady carebear who only knows how to play half the game. Pathetic.



Well, no, Curzon said he was willing to present this and abide by the judegement of the community. But instead Siren came in and presented a biased set of the facts and so corrutped the jury pool. At this point, anything he does is a loser for him, by not paying he is 1.25 billion isk ahead with exactly the same hit to his rep.

Asssassin X
Caldari
Mind Games.
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:30:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
awww hell, another post.

I'm not paying because this was a lose/lose situation as soon as this post started. Either

1. I'm a scammer for not paying, or

2. I only pay debts when blackmailed / shamed into it.

Neither of those are correct. Giving Siren ISK after 4 pages of people screaming "OMG scammer" doesn't change anyone's opinion. Like I said, it was his call to make this thread; it couldn't turn into anything other than the 5 page flamefest that it has.

He made a calculated decision. *shrugs*

So a bunch of people think I'm a scammer now...giving Siren 1.25 billion isn't going to change that. Thus, there is nothing for me to gain from giving him more ISK. Presented in a different light, with a neutral report of events, would have been different.

Understand that there's a difference between a post that presents a story asking for input, and a story accusing someone of being a scammer. That's the difference in the presentation.

Assassin X, yes, I'm laughing. :)

I'm laughing because a bunch of people think that I care about their virtual opinion, when it is expressed in result to an unbalanced, partial story told to portray me as a bad person.

This is me chuckling some more. LaughingLaughingLaughing




Just want to point out that you are contradicting yourself here. The top half you talk about how people think you're a scammer, and how you paying wouldn't fix it, etc. etc. etc. Then you post on the bottom half saying you don't care what people think.

The matter at hand is that you flaked on your own bet. You put out a challenge and when someone beat you at it you didn't pay up, reasons or not, the bottom line is you lost and didn't pay.

Also you do care about our opinions. otherwise you wouldn't have posted as many times as you did defending yourself. You also wouldn't talk crap the way you do when playing cards. You do care, to say otherwise is a bold faced lie.

I personally think you should just pay him. Like you said earlier, the ones who are gonna think you're a scam are gonna think that regardless, however think about the ones that won't think it, and think you're just making a mistake. pay him.

Khavid Kharver
Amarr
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:31:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Bosie
Originally by: Curzon Dax
awww hell, another post.

I'm not paying because this was a lose/lose situation as soon as this post started. Either

1. I'm a scammer for not paying, or

2. I only pay debts when blackmailed / shamed into it.




You had no intention of paying before this thread was up, if you did you would have payed him. Claiming that he is not getting his ISK because he posted a thread after you refused to pay him on the grounds that he posted a thread after you refused to pay him... Doc Brown a mate of yours?

Character suicide, this one is a good one.


No, even Siren agrees with Curzon that the plan was to post the details and abide by the decision here. Curzon's complaint is that because the full story wasn't told, the jury has been tainted.

Siolorin
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:34:00 - [158]
 

shrug, I don't think he's a scammer, I jus think he's being a self-righteous prick who's acting like a scammer right now. Maybe I'm alone, but I don't think it's too late to repair your rep by giving Siren the isk. To me, it doesn't say that you can be blackmailed--since you yourself have now admitted that (barring this forum flamefest) Siren should be paid. It says that you are able to put your personal differences aside and honor your agreements even when you think you've been personally wronged on the internet spaceship game (to borrow a goonie phrase) forum.

Asssassin X
Caldari
Mind Games.
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:35:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Khavid Kharver
Well, no, Curzon said he was willing to present this and abide by the judegement of the community. But instead Siren came in and presented a biased set of the facts and so corrutped the jury pool. At this point, anything he does is a loser for him, by not paying he is 1.25 billion isk ahead with exactly the same hit to his rep.


You keep forgetting the fact that he should have paid immediately. He lost, end of story. This should have never needed to come to the forums. That's on Dax, not Siren.

KapnKaboom
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:36:00 - [160]
 

This thread is an interesting, and yet, pointless read. So, how about you all go back to mindlessly blowing each other up and the rest of us can go back to not caring.

Regardless of who get paid what sum of Isk, it's still going to all be useless when you lose it all getting blown up by me. YARRRR!!

boogaboob
Caldari
Arctic Wolves
RaVeN Federation
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:36:00 - [161]
 

I logged off 12 hours ago expecting this to be resolved much more quickly. I didnt read the thread other than your posts, so people may already have made these points, but here's what I have to say.

Curzon, you have no ground to stand on. You lost the fight and should pay. I was mildly annoyed when you didn't, then logged off.

However, after you've come on here and said that you won't pay because Siren made a thread about it, I am disgusted. Put yourself in his shoes for a moment. Your opponent has just legitimately lost a fight, but doesn't pay up. He then logs off, and says he'll take it to the forums. Would YOU sit on your ass for TWELVE HOURS with 1.25 bil on the line? I didn't think so.

If you're really not paying because Siren made a thread about this, I suggest you reconsider, because you're throwing away your reputation for hurt feelings and 1.25bil that you claim you can replace many times over.

It seems more likely, however, that you're attempting to use this thread as an excuse to not pay. You are a petty, untrustworthy individual, and if you let this thing go on, everyone will know it.

Your choice.

Jonny JoJo
Amarr
The Imperial Guards
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:36:00 - [162]
 

Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 23/08/2007 21:38:37
Two people are boxing. If someone is sick (as in have a bug) then they do not fight. If the sick boxer does fight, and says "well, I was sick, so I am not paying up" that does not count as a valid exceuse.

You also said that this was not a battleship Championship so the isk does not matter. Then why make a wager if you were not intenting to honer it?

The issue is why make a deal only to change it afterwards. Thats is the issue. If the guy had lost, he would have lost his wager. You lost, and you did not pay up.

The correct thing to do was to pay up first, then ask for the isk back due to a bug, or challange to a rematch. You did neither.

Also - This is eve forums, where even a slight mark on the saintist action gets twisted into the vilist vice. But the thing is, nobody understands why you did not pay up the second you lost unless you had no intention of paying up in the first place.

Madorthene
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:37:00 - [163]
 

I think you've got the wrong idea here. Paying up and apologising *would* save your reputation.

And like it or not, reputation is hugely important in EVE. If you don't pay him back, you can rest assured that while you're playing on curzon, you'll have a pretty diminished experience.

Just an observation. It isn't too late, really.

50freefly
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:42:00 - [164]
 

If you gave him his dues your rep would be safe... especially if you had an agreement with the winner to edit his post out to say something like 'issue resolved'.

This would die and your rep would live.

I think you do care about your e-rep tbh, or you wouldn't make cool parodies or run this whole 'eve BS championship'.

Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:43:00 - [165]
 

I think it might be time to let this die out after 6 pages of pay the man...either Dax Pays the man...or he doesn't which most of us think he will choose anyway...
All points have been made and our opinion should have been voiced clear enough to Dax by now...
This might just be one of Curzon Dax's previous not so kind lifeforms taking over for a moment (Star Trek: Deep Space 9 if anyone wonders)

Sis can always keep us updated by posting he payed...
To be honest any further repetetive posting of you're lame or you suck or whatever will only damage the chance of Siren actually seeing any money..
Let it die and let Dax contemplate his current actions in silence
If he feels he is right in not paying out over this then so be it..
If he chooses still to pay out then the more show of character in my book on his behalf but it's his choice eventually..


Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:43:00 - [166]
 

Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 23/08/2007 21:47:35
Originally by: Curzon Dax

This is me chuckling some more. LaughingLaughingLaughing




Sorry but I cant hear you for the noise from the 150 posts laughing AT you.

You come across as a bad loser, a tight wad, and a self important forum hoe Wink

Good job. LaughingLaughing

Alpha Sentori
Cayman Holdings
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:45:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
Originally by: Shari Vegas
Originally by: cuteboylookingatyou

Do you understand that the fight was void because of a game bug or are you just dull?


O RLY?

Then why wasn't the fight called at the start when he realized it?

No, he continued on, because he thought he could win, anyway. And if he had won, you could bet he'd be keeping the money, "voided" fight or not.


And these sentiments would have resulted in Siren getting paid. He chose to take a different route.


Hmm.

You're basically punishing him for going to press.
Eve may only be a game but it brings out raw emotion in people because of the personal investment in the game. For someone to go to press immediately over something like this shouldn't be seen as disrespectful to you Curzon. The guy took a chance and accepted your challenge. He felt cheated (rightly in my opinion but we'll say rightly or wrongly) and so burst into print here. A natural response if you ask me.

So you told him you would sort it eh? You told him he'd get 1.25 Bil if you warped out but that never happened did it. I don't think you should pay him based on how he reacted in the heat of the moment. You should pay him based on the facts which you have to admit, show you as the loser in this instance. You took that gamble of not needing your drones, that's why you were anxious for him to accept the ransom. You continued fighting and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have posted here asking if you should give him back his stake in the event of you winning.

Protect your integrity and pay the guy is my opinion. This is not too late to recover. If you'd have posted before Siren you'd have paid him so do the right thing, pay up man.

By the way, in your quest to spend money, I have my eye on a second hand Scorpion, any chance of an advanceWink

Alpha

Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:47:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: Aakron
Nice scam, shame you can't hold your word, it all sounded like an interesting venture


Lack of reading ftltbh. Razz

This ended when Siren hijacked my ability to rectify it. Not because he made a post, but because the post he DID make missed some critical details, and ended in calling me a scammer. I hung around for 5 minutes or so trying to reconnect to Eve / refreshing the forums, then went to bed.

*shrugs* I don't control CCP. A little patience would have resolved this, and Siren would probably have been richer for it. But like I said, the presentation and its reaction created a lose/lose situation. Say what you will, but nothing will change.


DeckardIRL
The Randoms
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:48:00 - [169]
 

Jesus, All the drama... just have a rematch FFS....

Deck


Adelorae24
Caldari
Limited Mercy
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:48:00 - [170]
 

You could have acted like a big man and said you were sorry and it was your miscalculation, and paid the bet... But you're not a big man. You're a spoiled brat, and I couldn't be happier that everyone knows it now.

How about the community puts together a new tourney... I say we call it the pod Curzon fund.

Neal Cassady
Mutually Assured Distraction
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:49:00 - [171]
 

Edited by: Neal Cassady on 23/08/2007 21:52:05
Originally by: Curzon Dax


I'm not paying because this was a lose/lose situation as soon as this post started. Either

1. I'm a scammer for not paying, or

2. I only pay debts when blackmailed / shamed into it.

Neither of those are correct. Giving Siren ISK after 4 pages of people screaming "OMG scammer" doesn't change anyone's opinion. Like I said, it was his call to make this thread; it couldn't turn into anything other than the 5 page flamefest that it has.

He made a calculated decision. *shrugs*



so basically you are deciding whether to pay out based on someone's forum post rather than what actually happened in the fight?

If you are wrong, and people call you out on it, it doesn't give you an excuse to not make it right.

And FFS I don't care how much isk you have. Please don't brag any more about it.


Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:53:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
Originally by: Aakron
Nice scam, shame you can't hold your word, it all sounded like an interesting venture


Lack of reading ftltbh. Razz

This ended when Siren hijacked my ability to rectify it. Not because he made a post, but because the post he DID make missed some critical details, and ended in calling me a scammer. I hung around for 5 minutes or so trying to reconnect to Eve / refreshing the forums, then went to bed.

*shrugs* I don't control CCP. A little patience would have resolved this, and Siren would probably have been richer for it. But like I said, the presentation and its reaction created a lose/lose situation. Say what you will, but nothing will change.




Many people will not understand, how someone who brags about how much isk they have, continues to hold out on a bet.

Seriously, if you do not pay this guy, you will be haunted by this event forever. I am sure in your real life you don't care about the opinion of total strangers, but if you ever want to be taken seriously again on these boards, you know what to do.

I am not a hater btw, but I do think you have messed up here mate. If you can afford it like you claim. Then pay.

It is as simple as that, then you can go back to being "Battle Ship Champion" Wink

Asssassin X
Caldari
Mind Games.
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:55:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax

Lack of reading ftltbh. Razz

This ended when Siren hijacked my ability to rectify it. Not because he made a post, but because the post he DID make missed some critical details, and ended in calling me a scammer. I hung around for 5 minutes or so trying to reconnect to Eve / refreshing the forums, then went to bed.

*shrugs* I don't control CCP. A little patience would have resolved this, and Siren would probably have been richer for it. But like I said, the presentation and its reaction created a lose/lose situation. Say what you will, but nothing will change.




no, it ended when you left the fight. What part of us saying you need to pay him because you LOST did you miss?

Everything else in this entire thread is irrelevant. You LOST and should pay up.

You dodge this fact over and over.

You chose to engage without control of your drones. Not CCP. So again, that means YOU LOST. Not CCP or anyone else.

Wow.

Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:58:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Curzon Dax
Originally by: Aakron
Nice scam, shame you can't hold your word, it all sounded like an interesting venture


Lack of reading ftltbh. Razz

This ended when Siren hijacked my ability to rectify it. Not because he made a post, but because the post he DID make missed some critical details, and ended in calling me a scammer. I hung around for 5 minutes or so trying to reconnect to Eve / refreshing the forums, then went to bed.

*shrugs* I don't control CCP. A little patience would have resolved this, and Siren would probably have been richer for it. But like I said, the presentation and its reaction created a lose/lose situation. Say what you will, but nothing will change.




Many people will not understand, how someone who brags about how much isk they have, continues to hold out on a bet.

Seriously, if you do not pay this guy, you will be haunted by this event forever. I am sure in your real life you don't care about the opinion of total strangers, but if you ever want to be taken seriously again on these boards, you know what to do.

I am not a hater btw, but I do think you have messed up here mate. If you can afford it like you claim. Then pay.

It is as simple as that, then you can go back to being "Battle Ship Champion" Wink



Flinx, as soon as this thread was created, 50 people just like you decided that this would haunt me forever, regardless of the outcome and that my reputation was trash.

You guys made it lose/lose from the start. Again, say what you will, but paying him doesn't fix it.

Yes, I'm being high and mighty. I'm penalizing Siren by not paying him. He chose to attack my reputation. I disconnected; I told him out of game, on our poker client that I couldn't get back into Eve, and that the forums were down.

*shrugs again* Don't think anything else is going to be accomplished here.

Vandalias
Posted - 2007.08.23 22:00:00 - [175]
 

Curzon, by your own rules in your own thread:

5. Cloaking, warping away, and disengaging (increasing your distance to more than 200km) from the fight all constitute surrender.

You warped out and thus surrendered. End of story. Pay the man.

Aya
Posted - 2007.08.23 22:05:00 - [176]
 

Dax your just digging yourself a hole you wont be able to climb out. Your excuses for not paying are not even remotley valid.

1. I chose to continue fighting and lost so i dont want to pay
2. I have so much money, and i give to the community but not if they blackmail me into paying what I owe
3. I havent undocked in 3 months
4. It wasnt an official Battleship championship match so it doesnt count
5. He took it to the forums first, so now my butt hurts

Just pay him, or at least come to some sort of middle ground. Maybe 650Million? Thats still a lot of ISK and should be enough to make both parties happy. You didnt pay him the full amount and he still got something out of it. It was afterall your fault that you lost, not his.

Shari Vegas
Minmatar
Ctrl Alt Elites
Posted - 2007.08.23 22:07:00 - [177]
 

If you admit that you were wrong in not paying in the first place right after the fight, paid him with the terms that he's to edit the original post saying it's resolved, and paid him, your reputation would be fine and this would all be cleared up. There's nothing blackmail about it, so quit trying to find reasons not to pay, pull your ********* out of your purse, and pay the man.

Idiot.

MassonA
Caldari
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.08.23 22:17:00 - [178]
 

lol tight arse, what else is there to say

Nocturnal Avenger
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.08.23 22:28:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
Flinx, as soon as this thread was created, 50 people just like you decided that this would haunt me forever, regardless of the outcome and that my reputation was trash.


I agree on this. Paying now won't change much - except 1.25B.

I think your credibility dropped when you warped from a fight some months ago, and refused to pay (when you mistook a dampener or something for a scrambling effect).

This statement just shows (again) that your own rules only apply to you IF you so chose:

"Yes, I'm being high and mighty. I'm penalizing Siren by not paying him."

I can only assume you have enraged people so much, that they will kindly remind others of your past from time to time.

As your reputation loss is of no value to you - this should not trouble you Very Happy

Solid Wilko
Finis Lumen
Posted - 2007.08.23 22:32:00 - [180]
 

So if I understand it goes like this:

-Rich carebear with nos and damps in a scorp and 2 missile launchers claims he has some sort of drone "bug" but is happy enough with his "uber" setup to fight anyway
-Myrm MWD's 50k and makes him warp out with his drones after rich carebear decided to shoot drones like an idiot
-Rich carebear complains he has a bug after warping out though we all know if he had won hed have taken the cash for himself.
-Rich carebear would say he had a bug if he lost and if he won say nothing...so took no risk

This sounds like a simply awesome scam!

No idea who you are Curzon but I don't like you


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