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Siolorin
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.08.23 18:53:00 - [121]
 

Curzon, I think whether or not you pay him should be whether or not it's FAIR, based on yesterday's events, and not based on what happened in these forums. Plus, bailing on the conversation here because you don't like the sentiments expressed is not an honorable way to resolve this situation.

Vandalias
Posted - 2007.08.23 18:53:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax

He chose to approach it in this fashion. Honestly, I wish I had kept his 500m too, as payment for the crap in this thread. The last (and only) time that there was a problem in my tournament, I did the same thing. I created a thread, laid out the story, my opponent weighed in (pretty much agreeing with the story) and we let the community decide on the best thing to do. I intended to do the same. I have no issue telling a story from a neutral point of view.

Like I said, Siren pre-empted me by telling the story that he did, scripted like it was, through his various posts in this thread. I woke up and got into it three pages in. Paying him 1.25 billion ISK at this point is a wasted effort. It would be rewarding him for slandering me. He knew that I was good for it; we've dealt such stakes in poker. Its unfortunate that he took the route he did, but he chose his path. Until he wrote this thread, this could have been amicably resolved.

*shrugs* In his shoes, I would not have chosen to proceed this way, but he did - and I presume he knew what the consequences would be. The chances of me paying the man went from (well, given the communal thoughts here - 100%) to 0% when he created this thread.


Ultimately Siren wasn't the one who broke the deal, it was you. But if thats the way you want to do business no one can force you to do otherwise, although I personally wouldn't expect many to fall for your "battleship competition" in the future.

Shari Vegas
Minmatar
Ctrl Alt Elites
Posted - 2007.08.23 19:00:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: cuteboylookingatyou

Do you understand that the fight was void because of a game bug or are you just dull?


O RLY?

Then why wasn't the fight called at the start when he realized it?

No, he continued on, because he thought he could win, anyway. And if he had won, you could bet he'd be keeping the money, "voided" fight or not.

Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.08.23 19:03:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Shari Vegas
Originally by: cuteboylookingatyou

Do you understand that the fight was void because of a game bug or are you just dull?


O RLY?

Then why wasn't the fight called at the start when he realized it?

No, he continued on, because he thought he could win, anyway. And if he had won, you could bet he'd be keeping the money, "voided" fight or not.


And these sentiments would have resulted in Siren getting paid. He chose to take a different route.

Janus Duo
Gallente
Down In Flames
Posted - 2007.08.23 19:04:00 - [125]
 

I find it hilarious that you're a noob corper Dax, since half the guys in this thread wanting you to pay up are mercs...

I almost wanted to side with you on this one. All the things I dislike about you you freely admit (very rich carebear who doesn't PvP, just likes to throw his ISK around in fun ways including having weird psudo-combat competitions) so at least you're not claiming to be some hardcore PvPer. But it seems that you're agreeing with eveyone that if you had started this thread you'd do what the community is saying (Pay the Man) but since you got your feelings hurt now it's personal and you won't. That's even stupider than the original dispute. C'mon man, grow a thicker skin.

Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.08.23 19:04:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
Originally by: Shari Vegas
Originally by: cuteboylookingatyou

Do you understand that the fight was void because of a game bug or are you just dull?


O RLY?

Then why wasn't the fight called at the start when he realized it?

No, he continued on, because he thought he could win, anyway. And if he had won, you could bet he'd be keeping the money, "voided" fight or not.


And these sentiments would have resulted in Siren getting paid. He chose to take a different route.


Evemail chatlogs please, I'd like to take a look for myself.

Silatar
Posted - 2007.08.23 19:14:00 - [127]
 

Curzon, I would also suggest that you look at this from Siren's perspective:

Last night, he felt as if he had been unfairly cheated out of over a billion isk. I think it's only natural that he was upset about it and chose to not wait for YOU, the person he felt cheated him to start a thread. All of this BS about how you would have paid him is just that, BS. If you agree with the community that you should pay, then pay--it doesn't matter that you don't like the way he handled it.

Shari Vegas
Minmatar
Ctrl Alt Elites
Posted - 2007.08.23 19:15:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
Honestly, this is my last post in this thread.

After the fight last night, I told Siren that I was going to compile screenshots, tell the story to the public, and let them decide on what to do. If the communal decision was that I owed Siren money, I would have paid up. I sent Siren his 500 million back, then Eve went down, and I got a 404 on the forums. I went to bed.

Siren's past experience with me, involving large sums of money should have told him to leave it alone until I had time to deal with it. And I'm prompt on these kind of things.

He chose to approach it in this fashion. Honestly, I wish I had kept his 500m too, as payment for the crap in this thread. The last (and only) time that there was a problem in my tournament, I did the same thing. I created a thread, laid out the story, my opponent weighed in (pretty much agreeing with the story) and we let the community decide on the best thing to do. I intended to do the same. I have no issue telling a story from a neutral point of view.

Like I said, Siren pre-empted me by telling the story that he did, scripted like it was, through his various posts in this thread. I woke up and got into it three pages in. Paying him 1.25 billion ISK at this point is a wasted effort. It would be rewarding him for slandering me. He knew that I was good for it; we've dealt such stakes in poker. Its unfortunate that he took the route he did, but he chose his path. Until he wrote this thread, this could have been amicably resolved.

*shrugs* In his shoes, I would not have chosen to proceed this way, but he did - and I presume he knew what the consequences would be. The chances of me paying the man went from (well, given the communal thoughts here - 100%) to 0% when he created this thread.

Siren, if you read this later - I told you I'd take care of it. I told you what I was going to do, and how I was going to resolve it. Shame on you for this half story. =p


So now you're looking for more reasons to not pay him.

"Oh, he made a thread, can't pay now!"

Do you realize how stupid you sound? Now you're just killing your own reputation here. Which is ok, of course.

You're a forum warrior, a nobody in the EVE universe itself, and you seem to think that anyone's going to give a crap and just accept "that's just how it is 'cause I said so!" without any negativity.

Wrong.

Shari Vegas
Minmatar
Ctrl Alt Elites
Posted - 2007.08.23 19:17:00 - [129]
 

Oh, and by the way... I was on or had characters logged until downtime this morning... there never was any disruption of service, unless it magically didn't effect the Molden Heath region.

Underpaid Overworked
Posted - 2007.08.23 19:20:00 - [130]
 

Curzon you suck, pay the man.

How can you seriously sit here and say your not paying because of an overview bug when you proceeded to fight him anyways...on top of that attempting to ransom him...you sure as heck would have collected money from him had you won or given into the ransom demands.

I hope you never get another challenge again....may as well recycle your toon because your rep is garbage now.

Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.08.23 19:21:00 - [131]
 

Laughing At the drama

This is a good example as to these "duels" being incredibly unrealistic pvp encounters. No one in their right mind would try kill a ship without a disruptor fitted.

Dax, if you so much isk, give him some Razz It can't hurt that much


FT Diomedes
Gallente
Factio Paucorum
Posted - 2007.08.23 19:28:00 - [132]
 

If I had set up this 1v1, and my reputation was on the line, I would have paid the man promptly upon losing. Without a whimper or a whine. When you sit down to play this game, you accept that sometimes **** happens. And when **** happens you accept the bad luck, pay up and move on.

I had respect for you before. I thought it was great that someone wasn't afraid of losing some ISK and just wanted to have fun. I thought it would be cool to take you up on your challenge once I had enough ISK to afford it. Now I see you are just another jerk looking for whatever technicality you can to avoid the consequences of your decisions.

And arguing that Siren shouldn't have made this public right away is immaterial. You should have paid him promptly so that no one could ever question your honor and integrity. The instant you thought about anything other than paying him promptly, you destroyed your reputation as far as I am concerned.

Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2007.08.23 19:32:00 - [133]
 

Quote:

I'm not going to post anything else here
...
Ok, last post for real. =p
....
Honestly, this is my last post in this thread
.....
And these sentiments would have resulted in Siren getting paid. He chose to take a different route.



You do like to come back on your own words don't yaLaughingLaughing

Anyways it's sorry to see you've resorted to making up other excuses other than i was gimped, instead it's now ohh he beat me to posting it on Eve-O, i'm disgruntled and use that as an excuse to not pay...

Really, does it make any difference if he posted the story first or not other than the fact hat you couldn't be the first to post it? ( not considdering the fact that it may have been a half arsed story since you cleared your part up, which would be the other way around if you would have posted it first) The outcome would have still been the same....99% of the peeps in this thread would say..Pay the man.


Siren Sylvanis
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
Posted - 2007.08.23 19:32:00 - [134]
 

Curzon had promised me at the end of our convo that he has screenshots and will take it to the forums. Given that, I expected that he would be posting shortly after the fight. The Eve-O forums went down about 10 to 15 minutes immediately afterwards. I waited out the downtime, and I thought that he would be doing the same.

From my perspective, it was a lot of money and even more reputation on the line, and I didn't think Curzon would rest until it was out there. I certainly wouldn't.

I had no intention of this turning into 12 hours of Curzon getting attacked while asleep and unable to defend himself, but that was the way it turned out.

Adelorae24
Caldari
Limited Mercy
Posted - 2007.08.23 19:48:00 - [135]
 

So here's what it really comes down to. Everyone knows RAK dishonors 1 v 1's. We don't hide that fact. Now everyone knows that Curzon dishonors them too. He's a scam, a cheat, and a fraud. Worst of all though, he's a fraud who plays at being a "good guy". Everyone will know exactly what to expect from him now. Win, lose, or draw... Curzon wins if he says he does.

At least we were willing to stand up and take our victory or our loss in front of the public eye for the chance to shut you up. Now we know what kind of dirt you're up to. There's no longer any guarantee of a fair 1 v 1. You've completely ruined yourself, by either following your pride, or just being dumb enough not to load drones. I assume the account of the fight is accurate, and I have to say you are a complete amateur. No real pvp'er would have gone into a fight like this with obvious problems with their client. Curzon looses... End of story.

Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.08.23 19:49:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Shari Vegas


You're a forum warrior, a nobody in the EVE universe itself,

Wrong.


Indeed, stop posting?

My reputation is what it is, and I'm interestingly untroubled by this thread.

What you still don't seem to get is that I'm not after people's ISK. In the last...lets say 30 day....my total expenditure in donations, contests, gambling, is well in excess of 10 billion ISK. My intent for the last 6 months in Eve is to spend ISK on people. I've been happily doing it.

"OMG you were awesome until this and I'm not entering anymore" doesn't mean anything - you weren't going to enter anyway. That measly 100 million ISK entry fee - I don't keep it. It goes to the referees. I do this out of pocket.

*laughing* I think that's what I'm trying to get across - I don't care if you feel offended and don't want to enter; means that there is 1 less person trying to take my ISK. My life in Eve consists of giving people ISK. Just so happens that given the combination of circumstances that happened between last night and now, this isn't one of them.


Nocturnal Avenger
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.08.23 19:59:00 - [137]
 

This thread delivers :)

Curzon showed us a "character suicide" - a variant of "character assasination".

Well done - it's rare you see such a thing Very Happy

Underpaid Overworked
Posted - 2007.08.23 20:02:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
Originally by: Shari Vegas


You're a forum warrior, a nobody in the EVE universe itself,

Wrong.


Indeed, stop posting?

My reputation is what it is, and I'm interestingly untroubled by this thread.

What you still don't seem to get is that I'm not after people's ISK. In the last...lets say 30 day....my total expenditure in donations, contests, gambling, is well in excess of 10 billion ISK. My intent for the last 6 months in Eve is to spend ISK on people. I've been happily doing it.

"OMG you were awesome until this and I'm not entering anymore" doesn't mean anything - you weren't going to enter anyway. That measly 100 million ISK entry fee - I don't keep it. It goes to the referees. I do this out of pocket.

*laughing* I think that's what I'm trying to get across - I don't care if you feel offended and don't want to enter; means that there is 1 less person trying to take my ISK. My life in Eve consists of giving people ISK. Just so happens that given the combination of circumstances that happened between last night and now, this isn't one of them.




Your so full of .... that flies must be coming from miles away. Nice footwork though tap dancing around the actual issue of you CHOOSING to engage him knowing all to well you could NOT lose....how you avoid this fact is of much amusement.

Adelorae24
Caldari
Limited Mercy
Posted - 2007.08.23 20:07:00 - [139]
 

Holy crap... Now he's going to play the "I'm such a giver" card. Give me a break. The excuse for being a poor loser is that you spend all your time giving ISK to people. Weak... Very weak...

C'mon man act like a Raketeer. Just say "gf" and shut up.

Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.08.23 20:12:00 - [140]
 

Making you just another scammer.

Pay the man.

Krana Tranor
Posted - 2007.08.23 20:24:00 - [141]
 

Edited by: Krana Tranor on 23/08/2007 20:23:58
GUYS GUYS GUYS!

My gf stole my orange soda too!

With that said, I'd like to challenge any of you to a noobship duel, and I pay 3-to-1 odds. Minimum wager is 5 bil, transferred to me before fight begins.

Disclaimer: I pay if I feel like it, and I win when I said I do.

AMIRITE?






50freefly
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.08.23 20:27:00 - [142]
 

Duuuuude you really don't understand how badly this is killing your rep...

You REALLY need to pay him mate... Seriously, try to view this from the perspective of someone not you or siren...

I have to say, I agree with siren on this. You lost, now pay up...

Him being in a BC does NOT exclude you from the blame.

Nor does him posting before you.

At this point I think you are just looking for more copouts.

Honestly, if what you are saying is true and 1.25 is nothing to you, then paying it would seem the only sensible thing to do...

Asssassin X
Caldari
Mind Games.
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2007.08.23 20:27:00 - [143]
 

To say that you won't pay a person on a bet you lost because he made a forum post is weak. No matter how you try to twist it and put spin on it.

If you're so rich and you like giving people isk then why are you avoiding giving him his deservedisk?

From what I've seen in these few posts you've made and from the comments you've made while playing poker there is little doubt left that you think you're higher than everyone here.

your "*laughs*" comments only support it more. You said you would leave it up to the community to decide what to do, yet when they all say pay up you mock them by "*laughing*" at them. You obviously only care about your opinion and have no intention of paying Siren regardless of the communities thoughts.

Also, you could so quickly fix this entire situation by posting those screenshots you said you had, however you haven't. So I'm coming to believe that you don't actually have any to back up your claims.

But hey, there is a good percentage chance that you will just "*laugh*" at me and tell me that you don't have to prove anything to anyone cause you're the almighty dax. A guy who obviously cares more about himself in an online game than he should.

last but not least.

Pay the man. You lost, don't give excuses.

SATAN
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.08.23 20:30:00 - [144]
 

"A chase is a race"

That is a long used term in street racing, the real kind not the crap you see in Hollywood movies.

Meaning that even if the other car takes off before the hands are dropped and you chase him, and continue to do so past the initial launch its a race. If you stop right after you move and back up, then it is not a race.

This is exactly why the money always gets held by a 3rd party known by both, who stands at the finish line. Who ever wins the race gets the money, plain and simple. Otherwise its just an argument of he did this and he did that for 4 hours after.

Bottom line is Curzon lost, he continued to fight knowing he had a problem, which made it legitimate. I have no doubt that had he won he would have claimed the money for him self, and I don't think anyone else does either.


Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.08.23 20:34:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax

"OMG you were awesome until this and I'm not entering anymore" doesn't mean anything - you weren't going to enter anyway. That measly 100 million ISK entry fee - I don't keep it. It goes to the referees. I do this out of pocket.




Am fairly sure no one has said that Laughing *laughing*

You were never awesome, you created an artificial pvp world to prove how good you were, and even in your own arena you fail.

You lost...not to a BS, but to a BC. Time to pay up and lick your wounds Wink


Ryan Darkwolf
Amarr
Sins Of Lost Souls
Einherjar Alliance
Posted - 2007.08.23 20:51:00 - [146]
 

Edited by: Ryan Darkwolf on 23/08/2007 21:02:29
To Siren...it was about 5ish a.m when the forums died..I pretty sure that Curzon (or anyone)...would have gone to bed since the forums don't always come back up.

To everyone else: Read what Siren posted a few messages up...too lazy to quote but it goes something like: Dax told me he had screenies and would post on the forums and see what the people thought. I waited and didn't see the post after the fact that the server went down so I didn't bother to wait and posted. I didnt expect it to be a 12 hour flame fest.

Honestly...if it were me, and it was 5 am and I was tired from playing EvE, if the forums went down I would have slept too. Curzon did the right thing and gave him his ISK back..Siren did the wrong thing and did't post the entire story, to include the fact that Curzon stated he would post. Instead Siren turned and slandered Curzon's name...Siren if you didn't know it would turn into a 12 hour flame fest..you shoulda kept patient and waited for Dax to post...And to say you didn't know it would happen is absolute bull****... How in sam hill do you not think that it would turn into a flame fest...everyone is always waiting to get on Curzon's ass about anything....

Actually I'm not that lazy:
Originally by: Siren Sylvanis
Curzon had promised me at the end of our convo that he has screenshots and will take it to the forums. Given that, I expected that he would be posting shortly after the fight. The Eve-O forums went down about 10 to 15 minutes immediately afterwards. I waited out the downtime, and I thought that he would be doing the same.

From my perspective, it was a lot of money and even more reputation on the line, and I didn't think Curzon would rest until it was out there. I certainly wouldn't.

I had no intention of this turning into 12 hours of Curzon getting attacked while asleep and unable to defend himself, but that was the way it turned out.

Thux
Shooting Gallery
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:07:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Ryan Darkwolf
Edited by: Ryan Darkwolf on 23/08/2007 21:02:29
To Siren...it was about 5ish a.m when the forums died..I pretty sure that Curzon (or anyone)...would have gone to bed since the forums don't always come back up.

To everyone else: Read what Siren posted a few messages up...too lazy to quote but it goes something like: Dax told me he had screenies and would post on the forums and see what the people thought. I waited and didn't see the post after the fact that the server went down so I didn't bother to wait and posted. I didnt expect it to be a 12 hour flame fest.

Honestly...if it were me, and it was 5 am and I was tired from playing EvE, if the forums went down I would have slept too. Curzon did the right thing and gave him his ISK back..Siren did the wrong thing and did't post the entire story, to include the fact that Curzon stated he would post. Instead Siren turned and slandered Curzon's name...Siren if you didn't know it would turn into a 12 hour flame fest..you shoulda kept patient and waited for Dax to post...And to say you didn't know it would happen is absolute bull****... How in sam hill do you not think that it would turn into a flame fest...everyone is always waiting to get on Curzon's ass about anything....

Actually I'm not that lazy:
Originally by: Siren Sylvanis
Curzon had promised me at the end of our convo that he has screenshots and will take it to the forums. Given that, I expected that he would be posting shortly after the fight. The Eve-O forums went down about 10 to 15 minutes immediately afterwards. I waited out the downtime, and I thought that he would be doing the same.

From my perspective, it was a lot of money and even more reputation on the line, and I didn't think Curzon would rest until it was out there. I certainly wouldn't.

I had no intention of this turning into 12 hours of Curzon getting attacked while asleep and unable to defend himself, but that was the way it turned out.



congrats, you completely agreed w/ curzon and didn't even bring up the fact that he lost the bet and didn't pay Siren. I mean, that is what this is all about isn't it?

Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:14:00 - [148]
 

awww hell, another post.

I'm not paying because this was a lose/lose situation as soon as this post started. Either

1. I'm a scammer for not paying, or

2. I only pay debts when blackmailed / shamed into it.

Neither of those are correct. Giving Siren ISK after 4 pages of people screaming "OMG scammer" doesn't change anyone's opinion. Like I said, it was his call to make this thread; it couldn't turn into anything other than the 5 page flamefest that it has.

He made a calculated decision. *shrugs*

So a bunch of people think I'm a scammer now...giving Siren 1.25 billion isn't going to change that. Thus, there is nothing for me to gain from giving him more ISK. Presented in a different light, with a neutral report of events, would have been different.

Understand that there's a difference between a post that presents a story asking for input, and a story accusing someone of being a scammer. That's the difference in the presentation.

Assassin X, yes, I'm laughing. :)

I'm laughing because a bunch of people think that I care about their virtual opinion, when it is expressed in result to an unbalanced, partial story told to portray me as a bad person.

This is me chuckling some more. LaughingLaughingLaughing


Wigglytuff
Perkone
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:19:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Janus Duo
Originally by: slothe
before someone else says it..

Nerf the myrmidon YARRRR!!

arf


12 posts late mate. Laughing


Several months late.Wink

I love droneships, but the Myrmidon really is alittle absurd with certain setups.Razz

Aakron
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.08.23 21:19:00 - [150]
 

Nice scam, shame you can't hold your word, it all sounded like an interesting venture


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