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Kelbesque Crystalis
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.08.08 02:02:00 - [1]
 

I found a 0.75 security status zone on the eve 2d maps but it game it is a 0.80 zone. Eve-info also has .75 listed. Several other nearby zones are the same way.

Was there a big change sometime in the past that upper the security status of several areas? Where can i find maps that are up to date?

kazikhan
Gallente
Posted - 2007.08.08 02:41:00 - [2]
 

I think it gets rounded up...

Marine HK4861
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2007.08.08 06:18:00 - [3]
 

Those maps are up to date.

The game displays the sec status to 1 dp, while the actual sec status can be to 2 dp.

It's only really important when you're going into 0.0 space, as it all gets rounded to 0.0 while in reality it can be down to -1.
As you get closer to -1, the rats and the loot get better and better.

Xen Ra
Gallente
The Order of Odin
Posted - 2007.08.08 07:26:00 - [4]
 

How exaclty did the author of 2D maps (Ombey) get this exact information on the above mentioned system numbers?

Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.08.08 08:17:00 - [5]
 

The info is in the data export. CCP releases the raw data regarding all sorts of PvE stuff, like agents, systems, and rats. It's how people make sites like www.eve-agents.com and others. If you know how to sort through the information and put it all together it is very useful.

Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.08.08 08:50:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Gojyu on 08/08/2007 08:57:25
Edited by: Gojyu on 08/08/2007 08:57:08
Edited by: Gojyu on 08/08/2007 08:52:49
Originally by: Marine HK4861
Those maps are up to date.

The game displays the sec status to 1 dp, while the actual sec status can be to 2 dp.

It's only really important when you're going into 0.0 space, as it all gets rounded to 0.0 while in reality it can be down to -1.
As you get closer to -1, the rats and the loot get better and better.


Yep, every serious 0.0 player will have either ombey's maps or This bookmarked (although omist's maps, to my knowledge, don't have the drone region's truesecs listed), however, until you're in 0.0, you can generally ignore it. The only area it could be of benefit- if a system is, say, 0.495, it will show up in game as a 0.5 system. To my knowlege, however, concord will not intervene on your behalf in this system, since It's not actually 5. I might be completely wrong about that, it's just what I've heard

Xen Ra
Gallente
The Order of Odin
Posted - 2007.08.08 11:57:00 - [7]
 

Does it really matter that much wheter you rat in a -0.13 or a -0.90 system? I mean, does a sys close to -1.0 give more BS spawns, more faction spawns or (as mentioned above) better loot? And about the loot: how much better is it? Can someone tell based on their own experience please?

Thx!!

Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Posted - 2007.08.08 13:57:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Billy Sastard on 08/08/2007 13:57:09
Originally by: Xen Ra
Does it really matter that much wheter you rat in a -0.13 or a -0.90 system? I mean, does a sys close to -1.0 give more BS spawns, more faction spawns or (as mentioned above) better loot? And about the loot: how much better is it? Can someone tell based on their own experience please?

Thx!!


A -.13 system will have very few BS spawns, and any BS that do spawn will have very low bounties (like 350k). Wheras a system with a -.90 will have many more BS spaws, and the BS spawns will be much better overall (like 3x 1.8M BS).

I have not personally ran into any faction/officer spawns, as I don't rat hardcore full-time, and am a bit unlucky I guess. But in general I have found that the higher the bounty on the rats, the better the loot drops.

Kelbesque Crystalis
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.08.08 15:43:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Marine HK4861
Those maps are up to date.

The game displays the sec status to 1 dp, while the actual sec status can be to 2 dp.

It's only really important when you're going into 0.0 space, as it all gets rounded to 0.0 while in reality it can be down to -1.
As you get closer to -1, the rats and the loot get better and better.


So I can understand the display being 1 dp, but I still can't anchor a container because the game claims its a 0.8 zone. Do all 0.75+ zones act as though they were 0.8+?

Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Posted - 2007.08.08 15:47:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Kelbesque Crystalis
Originally by: Marine HK4861
Those maps are up to date.

The game displays the sec status to 1 dp, while the actual sec status can be to 2 dp.

It's only really important when you're going into 0.0 space, as it all gets rounded to 0.0 while in reality it can be down to -1.
As you get closer to -1, the rats and the loot get better and better.


So I can understand the display being 1 dp, but I still can't anchor a container because the game claims its a 0.8 zone. Do all 0.75+ zones act as though they were 0.8+?


Does the indicated status in the upper left show .8 or .7? If it shows .7 you should be able to anchor, but if it really is .75 then it should round up to .8 and show .8 (to my understanding anyway)

Kelbesque Crystalis
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.08.08 20:26:00 - [11]
 

The game shows 0.8, all the maps i have show 0.75. The game complains when i try to anchor, saying its a 0.8 zone.

Estel Arador
Posted - 2007.08.08 21:06:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Kelbesque Crystalis
The game shows 0.8, all the maps i have show 0.75. The game complains when i try to anchor, saying its a 0.8 zone.


The fact that you can't anchor in a 0.75 security system is irrelevant as all security ratings are rounded to 2 digits.

Let's take this step by step:

The game shows security status with 2 digits (1.0, 0.9, etc). The security status ingame is actually a rounded value of a figure with more significant digits.
You can't anchor things in 0.8 or higher (not 0.80 as you seem to think), that rule uses the same rounded numbers as shown ingame. If it used the 'true security', the rule would say you can't anchor in 0.75 or higher.

Trevor Chan
Posted - 2007.08.08 21:35:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Farrellus Cameron
The info is in the data export. CCP releases the raw data regarding all sorts of PvE stuff, like agents, systems, and rats. It's how people make sites like www.eve-agents.com and others. If you know how to sort through the information and put it all together it is very useful.


Data export? did u mean TriExporter?

Hoshi
Hedron Industries
Red Dwarf Racketeering Division
Posted - 2007.08.08 21:59:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Trevor Chan
Originally by: Farrellus Cameron
The info is in the data export. CCP releases the raw data regarding all sorts of PvE stuff, like agents, systems, and rats. It's how people make sites like www.eve-agents.com and others. If you know how to sort through the information and put it all together it is very useful.


Data export? did u mean TriExporter?

No he means this:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=406

Trevor Chan
Posted - 2007.08.08 22:02:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Trevor Chan
Originally by: Farrellus Cameron
The info is in the data export. CCP releases the raw data regarding all sorts of PvE stuff, like agents, systems, and rats. It's how people make sites like www.eve-agents.com and others. If you know how to sort through the information and put it all together it is very useful.


Data export? did u mean TriExporter?

No he means this:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=406


Oh dear lord, wonderfull, now i compare outdated mission infos, this is the only way to get data exported? only when ccp release?

Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise
Posted - 2007.08.08 23:25:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Gojyu
however, until you're in 0.0, you can generally ignore it. The only area it could be of benefit- if a system is, say, 0.495, it will show up in game as a 0.5 system. To my knowlege, however, concord will not intervene on your behalf in this system, since It's not actually 5.


It also affects some very-low-sec systems (like Balas) which have a True Sec of 0.04 or less. These are displayed as "0.0" but you are still in Empire and will still take a sec hit if you attack somebody.

Eph.


F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.08.08 23:39:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ephemeral Waves
Originally by: Gojyu
however, until you're in 0.0, you can generally ignore it. The only area it could be of benefit- if a system is, say, 0.495, it will show up in game as a 0.5 system. To my knowlege, however, concord will not intervene on your behalf in this system, since It's not actually 5.


It also affects some very-low-sec systems (like Balas) which have a True Sec of 0.04 or less. These are displayed as "0.0" but you are still in Empire and will still take a sec hit if you attack somebody.

Eph.




That should have been fixed a while ago so that it rounds up to 0.1.

Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
Posted - 2007.08.09 17:37:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Kelbesque Crystalis
The game shows 0.8, all the maps i have show 0.75. The game complains when i try to anchor, saying its a 0.8 zone.
With anchoring the system security rating must be 0.74 or less. Because most people deal with 1 digit security rating you will see a message that you cannot anchor in 0.8 systems. A systems with 0.75 security rounds to 0.8, therefore, you cannot anchor in sytems with 0.75 or higher sec rating.

Same goes for CONCORD, they will show up in any system with a true secutiy rating of 0.45 or higher.

The 1 execption to security status rounding is 0.0 - 0.05. As mentioned by someone else, anything with a security status > 0.0 will now round up to 0.1.

The 2D maps used to show a few 0.45 systems as low sec, but Ombey has done a great job of updating those maps.

As for where to get the true security status, it is published by CCP in the data dump. There is a whole wealth of information in there, not just stuff about the map.


 

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