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Zanpt
Caldari
Posted - 2007.08.02 12:58:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: AnarchistUK
THEY HAVE NOT STOPPED SKILL TRAINING WHILST ACCOUNTS ARE DISABLED.


The day they do, that will be the day I stop reactivating accounts I allow to expire to get reimbursements in US Dollars or to punish CCP. I think they are too smart to ever change this. It's part of the diabolically addictive nature of the game. For the same reason, they don't make your stuff disappear for a VERY LONG TIME after an account goes inactive. If they did, people would be discouraged and have less reason to return or, having returned to find their stuff gone, to stay. There are few things as discouraging as having to cover the same ground you've already covered, such as those horribly long training steps. Eve is a superbly well-designed trap (which we enjoy when it works and stays up). It lures you in with the trial account. You convert the trial to paid because otherwise the training you did would be for nothing. You don't abandon an account because after weeks and months, even years, you have an investment in the character's skills. Even if you get ticked off and allow an account to expire, it gnaws at you that all that investment is sitting there, so sooner or later you reactivate it.

Eve is like the Mafia -- you can get in, but you can't get out. That's OK when it works right. The best I've been able to do to express my rage and frustration is to manage the nine accounts I control in such a way that when CCP displeases me, more of them go inactive, and when CCP pleases me, more of them become active. I also manage the accounts to get denied reimbursements in US Dollars by reducing what I pay to CCP.

If inactive accounts ever fail to continue/complete their currently active training steps, I will have less reason to reactivate them. I'm sure CCP understands that.

roadrage639
Quatidion
The OSS
Posted - 2007.08.02 13:08:00 - [182]
 

yup... they just copy and paste the same message in petitions now.. hence why its usually only a few days to get a reply instead of several weeks. They just say our server logs do not show any lag blaw blaw and refuse to show you a copy.

Nigbale Amare
Amarr
Posted - 2007.08.02 13:57:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Da Ram


"cause I just checked the subscription numbers"
He implies it with this sentence and I am sorry if you cannot read between the lines.

Subscriptions suffer from some kind of inertia plus as long as they are not weighed they can only show so much of a distored picture.

One veteran leaving probably usually amounts to the need of getting 3 more subscribers.
Why ?
Because veterans are the living, breathing flesh in this game.
They shape this player run universe, mmkay ?

In addition pointing at subscription numbers of the past month does not mean a thing at all as it takes a long time until negative effects take hold so strongly that players outright quit, you need to take a big time scale into view and you need to weigh vet scubscriptions against new players, etc.

Its like saying - Everything is alright, the majority has elected the government while the whole of the state is going to ****.
Clear enough ?


By the by - this game is still and always has been advertising large space battles - those are simply not possible to do with a reasonable comfort of playing.
Ram



Veterans shmeterans - let other people play the game too - and remember - it's only a game - there is also "the outside". That is - if this game fails at some point - you can always go there or - if that's your thing - bury yourself in another social interface like a mmo.

Also - players that are new now will be "veterans" in a couple of years and will furhter "shape the universe" - or maybe you think that without your Unique and Sublime, Veteran self the game will crumble. It's allright to leave man - it's also allright to trust the devs - no one wants you to quit playing but if there are other more pressing matters that will outweight the "major fleet battles" that some thousands actually take part in, in terms of money earned - well RL salaries and dividents and stocks WILL HAVE TO PRIME over your on-line "the handful that shapes the universe" self.

And yes - democracy fails - but there's yet no bettter system, so yes if 51% vote for a president that the other 49% do not - the 49% will have to comply as not doing so will screw up a system that works in favor of something yet not defined.

I'm sure the problem with lag at major encounters is an issue not so lightly solved as you may think also and if they are working on it - it will eventually get done - i'm sure they want too to meet their marketing expectations.

Also - big fleet battles for me also means 50v50 an i'm sure that's impressive as it is. now if you want to push 200v200 ships in a system just to have lag at the entrance and complain - then you need to devise some other kind of plan than simply swarming, cause that isn't supported.

I'm thinking - as a sollution - to cap the number of ships in each opposing alliance in a system at some point. With some bonuses to attackers maybe.

Let's say you have a system you must defend - your alliance guys that can be in at any time is say 50 and then they can't come in - after that only opposing alliance ships are allowed up to a maximum number of 70 ships.

When one dies another ship can be admitted. Then you could use this knowledge to send in reinforcements in packs - like wait for 10 to die then send in the xxx.

This could be further refined as to have something like "slots" for each ship class/type. Like from 50 ships you can have 2capitals/5bb/20 frigates/and so on and so forth - i'm not in the know and i won't speculate on the numbers furhter but i'm sure you get the idea.

This reinforcements method has been successfully used in games like "shogun total war" and to some extent - even in WoW battlegrounds system.

AnarchistUK
Posted - 2007.08.02 13:57:00 - [184]
 

Edited by: AnarchistUK on 02/08/2007 14:04:11
See original post guys, sign and disable account whilst training a long skill. Let CCP lose some money in the following couple of months. They shouldn't give us the copy and paste treatment in petitions when it's their desync issues.

Johncrab
Minmatar
Teram Odator Rilfur Pegastur
Posted - 2007.08.02 14:27:00 - [185]
 

Edited by: Johncrab on 02/08/2007 14:43:35
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Zepher8062
Angels Of Divine Fury
Second Sun Rising
Posted - 2007.08.02 14:31:00 - [186]
 

GM's, If you would permit me.
This is directed to everyone who is complaining about the game.

As most of you are and have been reading in this thread, the game is not dying. The only point you are getting across is that its 4 am and you are having a fit because some new player probably owned you due to desync issues. What is the point of a game? To have fun or to have the unexpected happen to you. Personally I like both, but we are not talking about me here.Cool

The plain and simple truth is if you are so adamant about letting someone know about your time being wasted on a game that you pay for because you are constantly getting lag and Desync, stop wasting you time one the forum in posts that will never help the situation at all. Coming into this Thread and flamming your rear end off hoping for someone in CCP to listen to your threats about leaving the game gives you about as much as a snowball's chance in hell of them listening to you.

For the love of Pod, go strut your stuff in the actual threads for complaints or keep sending in petitions to the GM's until they listen to you. If you cant stand the heat, then just quit the game for a month and cool down. Come back and try again.

Some people just don't understand that coming in the forums every day and spamming will not get the problem fixed any faster. And to tell you the truth, doing so only makes people not want to do it at all.

How would you like it if someone came in and was riding your butt while you were on the treadmill and kept asking all day when you weren't going to be fat anymore.

This stuff takes time. If you wouldn't keep complaining about these problems, CCP wouldn't have to think of new ideas to implement to keep you happy while the lag and desync is being fixed.

Again, for the love of Pod, Take a chill pill. Its healthy to release some anger verbally, but thats what you have pets for.ugh

As for Gm Wrangler. Give him a break, he is doing damn good at his job while having all you on his back.
Keep up the Pwnage Wrangler.

Steph Wing
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.08.02 14:44:00 - [187]
 

Edited by: Steph Wing on 02/08/2007 14:45:17
Originally by: AnarchistUK
Freedom of speech!


CCP is a private entity, and it not subject to Free Speech laws passed by any political body.

Not that I'm disagreeing with the TC. I just hate it when people pull the freedom of speech card.

Cardice Makar
Dark Knights of Deneb
Posted - 2007.08.02 14:51:00 - [188]
 

First, the devs *have* said they're working on it. They've tried several fixes so far, none of them have stopped it completely. So there is work being done. And, for the record, you *cannot* just release fixes at random into production, that spells out disaster with a capital 'STUPID'.

Second, you *cannot* just offhandedly re-assign developers to new tasks. It doesn't work. I've been there. Maybe, I suppose, CCP is a special case because, I don't know, they use demonic blood to power to power the devs or something, that might allow them to switch projects easily. Anything less and the time it takes to get new staff up to speed with the codebase exceeds the time it will take to fix the issues currently at hand.

Third, there have been a thousand other threads about this: simply put, keep putting in your petitions, keep providing useful data, keep adding new information to the official thread currently available. Whining and screaming on the forums just makes you look petty.

Fourth: If you *insist* on whining and threatening to cancel your subscription [I see you haven't left yet, is all] then please, by all means do so. It'll mean less lag and fewer people in battles for the rest of us who have seen worse. Yes, desync is bad, and no I have *no* idea how long you've been playing, but if it's 3+ years then you certainly should have learned that EVE can have issues at times, and they get fixed.

I expect to see you all on the test server when the devs are requesting assistance with the next patch. Until then, may desync only affect your enemies. Twisted Evil

Pociomundo
Gallentean Gynaecologists
Posted - 2007.08.02 15:14:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird
/signed.

Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.


That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...


Even Vanguard had increasing subscription numbers at one point.

Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2007.08.02 15:26:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: Pociomundo
Even Vanguard had increasing subscription numbers at one point.

If a MMO doesn't have increasing subscription numbers at one point then it would be a little difficult to get off the ground, no? Laughing

Beetle Boy
KIA Corporation
Posted - 2007.08.02 15:31:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird
/signed.

Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.


That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...


Wrangler and could you tell us how many accounts are 2nd 3rd or even more characters for other already people playing eve. Simply its you see dysinc and you don't do anythign about it. If it wasn't there before the first one happened then what ever you did to make it change it back.

Sparkius
Amarr
Posted - 2007.08.02 15:35:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Cptn Z
Originally by: Price Watcher
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
How did you fail at reporting bugs?

That's really arrogant and cold towards a paying customer.

Bug reporting is clumsy, stupid, and more trouble than a paying customer should have to put up with.

Perhaps you don't remember who really pays you. It's the paying customer.

Learn it, love it, live it.


Well, live with unfixed bugs, Mr. paying customer.

You know, there is always a balance with the amount of payment and amount of troubles.


QFT. If I were CCP, I would cancel the accounts of some of these people. Paying for a service NEVER gives you the right to be abusive to whomever is providing the service. Wrangler is within his bounds calling people out on their behavior and unfounded comments.

Pociomundo
Gallentean Gynaecologists
Posted - 2007.08.02 15:36:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Pociomundo
Even Vanguard had increasing subscription numbers at one point.

If a MMO doesn't have increasing subscription numbers at one point then it would be a little difficult to get off the ground, no? Laughing


Thanks for missing the point and irony.

Le Bon
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.08.02 15:39:00 - [194]
 

Edited by: Le Bon on 02/08/2007 15:41:17
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird
/signed.

Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.


That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...


That was quite a disgraceful reply to be quiet honest. So your saying you dont give a ****?
You have to remember the reason this game increases in users.. word of mouth. When people are leaving your losing the people whome tell more people to come.
The people who come to the game new and experiance said problems wont be loyal enough to stay.
Logical thinking thier aye Wrangler?

Dawson
Caldari
British Space Corporation
Posted - 2007.08.02 15:42:00 - [195]
 

Edited by: Dawson on 02/08/2007 15:45:24
Edited by: Dawson on 02/08/2007 15:43:47
Originally by: Dawson
Edited by: Dawson on 02/08/2007 15:39:12
I haven't played this game for a while now due to recent problems and i've played since beta phase 2.

I take no joy in paying for subscription, spending hours, days, weeks and sometimes months of my time for ships which I potentially could & have lost due to lag & dsync's on a number of occasions over the years, that has greatly increased just recently with patches.

Not that it has much to do with lag, when you play a game like eve when your fighting 500 man battles what do you expect. I cant think of any other games where that kinda thing happens.

What it boils down to is the time spent to get ships, that were paying for through subscription game time. It gets lost due to game errors/dsync, with ccp giving us the "Our logs show nothing" rubbish, improve your logs, people are willing to put up with lag knowing if they lose ships due to Mass lag/dsync they will get there ship back.

The way I see it, as a example, if I was having a problem with my Internet ISP, i would demand a refund etc and get it. Ccp should be refunding us in some way, not telling us "our logs show nothing".

anyway thats only a short term solution, the problem needs fixing, people will get fed up of that too, every battle they come too unable to play to some degree.

I just find it unacceptable that we get no type of compensation for a unacceptable service.

As it stands now, I will leave this game unless something is done. Even more so when the next space related mmo comes out. I love this game when it works, i'd hate to leave it.

tikinish
Posted - 2007.08.02 15:43:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird
/signed.

Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.


That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...


would be nice if you could make a main tread with numbers for unscribed, subcribing, and trail accounts made and trail account subcribed... and then give us the numbers once a month:)
pls

ET pwnedhome
Posted - 2007.08.02 15:44:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird
/signed.

Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.


That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...



So older players who are tired of getting killed due to technical reasons beyond their control are leaving but hey, that's cool because new players are coming in because we're spamming the web with eve advertisements!

Right from CCP's mouth; CCP care more about getting loads of new players than fixing the game for the players that have been with them for years.


To be quite honest this is disgusting Shocked!!

Adam Ansari
Posted - 2007.08.02 15:50:00 - [198]
 

Edited by: Adam Ansari on 02/08/2007 15:58:16
EDIT:cleaned up some poor grammar.

God is this thing still going?

Anyone who honestly believes that CCP doesn't care about the problems with their game is downright ignorant.

CCP was a bunch of gamers who made EvE because nothing else like it ever existed before, and they wanted to play it.

Of course they care about desync, of course they are working as hard as they can to fix it. But eve is BIG and the error is a needle in a haystack. It will take time.

I've noticed a lot of rudeness here. "How DARE CCP not lick my boots and call me daddy." kinda crap. Do you file your petitions the same way as you post here?

Being an a-hole to the only people who can help you is not a very good way to get what you want.
Speaking as someone in customer service, there is no point in going the extra mile for an a-hole. If you do, you just get attacked for it, as people in this thread have so wonderfully demonstrated by attacking Wrangler for his less then completely serious responses. You people (you know who you are) complain that CCP never responds to your threads, then attack them when they DO respond. Were wranglers remarks the hight of professionalism? Not really, but neither is this entire thread. In fact, he's was much more restrained then most of the people posting in this thread.

There is no reasoning with a-holes, there is no appeasing them, there is no compromise. It is the a-holes way or the high way, and he's gonna take all his toys and go home if you don't do exactly what he wants. I would rather spend my time helping out people who are nice, understanding, and sound like they are reasonable people. They are more likely to recognize my hard work and say "gee, thanks for all the hard work you are doing just so I can have fun."

Oh, and freedom of speech doesn't exist any time you are on private property. I have yet to see a single computer network in the world that doesn't have a clause that says "we can ban you for any reason we like, at any time, and you just have to deal with that if you want to use our network." CCP gives you a lot of leeway to say what you like on their network, but they are hardly obligated or legally required to do so. Even if you are paying for the service.

Dawson
Caldari
British Space Corporation
Posted - 2007.08.02 15:55:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: ET pwnedhome
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird
/signed.

Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.


That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...



Now to implement that influx of money to improve your service. Interesting to see the numbers going up still, how many of the trail accounts then go on to play the game, and how many of those accounts are just people with multiple accounts. I think 50% of corps have players with duel accounts. Not too mention those with daft numbers like 8 accounts.

I'd just wish they would fix the problems, its stopped me from playing over the last month or so, and where there one theres usually more.

I hate it cuz I love playing this game, especially fleet battles, its just that its almost unplayable. My last 2-3 fights resulted in a crap load of lag/dysnc, with the old "our logs show nothing" stuff.

The Mantra
Caldari
Knights of Sovereignty
United Corporations of Eve
Posted - 2007.08.02 15:59:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: roadrage639
yup... they just copy and paste the same message in petitions now.. hence why its usually only a few days to get a reply instead of several weeks. They just say our server logs do not show any lag blaw blaw and refuse to show you a copy.


Meh. Having worked on a software support desk for 2 years... the reason you get cut and paste responses from GMs is because GMs don't like typing exactly the same thing out 500 times with slight variations in the wording.

Jinmie
Posted - 2007.08.02 16:05:00 - [201]
 

They could atleast add a little bit of individuality to each petition, random words perhaps like lightbulbsauagecake to the end so it doesn't feel like you have receieved an automated reply from a computer.

Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.08.02 16:08:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Adam Ansari
God is this thing still going?

Anyone who honestly believes that CCP doesn't care about the problems with their game is downright ignorant.

CCP was a bunch of gamers who made EvE because nothing else like it ever existed before, and they wanted to play it.

Of course they care about desync, of course they are working as hard as they can to fix it. But eve is BIG and the error is a needle in a haystack. It will take time.

I've noticed a lot of rudeness here. "How DARE CCP not lick my boots and call me daddy." kinda crap. Do you file your petitions the same way as you post here?

Being an a-hole to the only people who can help you is a very good way to not get what you want.
Speaking as someone in customer service, there is no point in going the extra mile for an a-hole. If you do, you just get attacked for it, as people in this thread have so wonderfully demonstrated by attacking Wrangler for his less then completely serious responses. You people (you know who you are) complain that CCP never responds to your threads, then attack them when they DO respond.

There is no reasoning with a-holes, there is no appeasing them, there is no compromise. It is the a-holes way or the high way, and he's gonna take all his toys and go home if you don't do exactly what he wants. I would rather spend my time helping out people who are nice, understanding, and sound like they are reasonable people. They are more likely to recognize my hard work and say "gee, thanks for all the hard work you are doing just so I can have fun."

Oh, and freedom of speech doesn't exist any time you are on private property. I have yet to see a single computer network in the world that doesn't have a clause that says "we can ban you for any reason we like, at any time, and you just have to deal with that if you want to use our network." CCP gives you a lot of leeway to say what you like on their network, but they are hardly obligated or legally required to do so. Even if you are paying for the service.


I don't defend rudeness, whether it be on the part of players or CCP.

But don't label everyone who has a legitimate complaint as an a-hole.

Customers should express displeasure over shoddy service. If they don't, it can be assumed the problems aren't important to them and thus aren't a top priority for resolution.

Would CCP have instituted an internal affairs unit if customers had't complained about certain incidents which need not be mentioned?

I let my account expire and didn't resubscribe until they clarified their policy on the infamous MSN issue. I also sent them a polite email saying I wouldn't be subscribing again until they addressed the issue.

Calling people a-holes is no solution.

Aira Phlux
Perkone
Posted - 2007.08.02 16:11:00 - [203]
 

Personally I have the biggest issue with the reimbursement "proceedure". With Eve suffering a long term bug, a short term fix should be used to keep people happy.

OK its desyncing all over the shop and its screwing up territory deciding battles and small pew pews alike. People are getting mightly pee'd off about it. Ultimately it would be a lot easier to bear if the reimbursement petitions were more readily accepted.

The standard level GM is unable to act beyond the confines of the "is it logged" policy. So escalation to senior level is the only way you are going to get your stuff back. Long queues ensue and the pee'd off factor increases.

Reviewing the policy on which standard level GMs are able act upon might just save a hell of a lot of time and agro. Yes, I know there could be a lot of people trying to abuse the system but its no worse than leaving it as it is (imbalance wise).

Lastly to those who are saying "you don't like it? go play another game!" - I suspect these players either have not been subjected to the problem(s) or are not involved in factional warfare where this is most common and, in my opinion, the most influencing.

My main (this char) is well over a year old and its a lot of time and effort invested. For the game to suddenly go sour is frustrating. I know wrangler "pointed out" subscriptions are on the up, but its only a matter of time before enough people reluctantly quit.

I'd like to see the reactivation campaign though:

Eve-Online: Now with 90% less desync! Laughing

Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente
Infinite Improbability Inc
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.08.02 16:13:00 - [204]
 

all I have seen in this thread is wrangler has tried to remain as courteous as possible even though I would imagine he is livid with the spoiled child throwing the rattle out the pram attitude that so many people are throwing around in this thread.

Arguing your point with the community manager is a particularly stupid and fruitless endeavor be thankful he has enough restraint not to bring the banhammer and go on a rampage.

Most people complaining in this thread are looking for someone to blame they're getting answers and just casting them aside and continuing on their long humorless ranting. Honest to God be thankful your getting any kind of response never mind its not the one you want to hear. Writing a post saying "I AM LEAVING" is pathetically insignificant considering for probably every single person who leaves and writes a thread whining about something, there is 10 or even 100 new subscribers to take your place. Take solace in the fact CCP is acknowledging you in any form.

I have experience desyncs in fleet fights and lost ships to it, unless you're flying faction fitted faction bs with HG pirate implants into battle, just get your head down and work to replace the loss, *****ing and crying about isn't going to get you your stuff back

/end rant (replying to this is equally pointless I probably wont read this thread before it falls off the face of the forums, the sooner the better)

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2007.08.02 16:16:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Pociomundo
Even Vanguard had increasing subscription numbers at one point.

If a MMO doesn't have increasing subscription numbers at one point then it would be a little difficult to get off the ground, no? Laughing


and eve has had increasing number for the past 4 years.

not bad.

Adam Ansari
Posted - 2007.08.02 16:19:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: Montague Zooma

I don't defend rudeness, whether it be on the part of players or CCP.

But don't label everyone who has a legitimate complaint as an a-hole.



If you aren't that guy, I'm not talking about you. I'm sure there are lots of people who have legitimate complaints about de-sync, and express those complaints respectfully and through the proper channels. I don't see many of those people in this thread to be honest.

Lady Natacha
Minmatar
Water and Power
Posted - 2007.08.02 16:29:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Le Bon
Edited by: Le Bon on 02/08/2007 15:41:17
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird
/signed.

Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.


That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...


That was quite a disgraceful reply to be quiet honest. So your saying you dont give a ****?
You have to remember the reason this game increases in users.. word of mouth. When people are leaving your losing the people whome tell more people to come.
The people who come to the game new and experiance said problems wont be loyal enough to stay.
Logical thinking thier aye Wrangler?


Umm word of mouth really has little impact here I would imagine.. If you want to make an impact that way, get a bunch of people together posting negative stuff to mmorpg.com so EVE is no longer on the front page.

However, the 7Mil CCP is spending on marketing is probably what is keeping the number of new subscriptions up. CCP also bombards anyone who does quit with 5-day free passes so they can come back and maybe get hooked again.

And well yeah, Wrangler's statement was lame, and he should probably engage his brain next time before making such a statement especially since he is an official mouthpiece for CCP. Lots of other posters here could also benefit from the same advice.




Chadillac
Minmatar
The Space Cartel
Posted - 2007.08.02 16:31:00 - [208]
 

My Experience with the GM's and Desync.

I was in an exploration site with all rats dead and 5 cans to hack open. I open the first 2 cans and on the third can i hack it open and am 48m from it but it's telling me to get within 1500m of it. It is only me and a buddy in local. So i have him sit in the site to keep it active so that i may warp out and back in to re-sync myself. It works great.

2 days later i find an identical site and this time i am the only pilot in local. Again i do the site the same way in the same order to see if i get the same problem with desync. As soon™ as i hacked the third can and tried to open it it again gave me the get within 1500m message.

After sitting in the site for about 10 minutes trying to open other cans or get lucky and get close to one i gave up and filed petition. All i wanted was a GM to spawn in the site and see the desync and allow me to warp out and back in to re-sync. He said no. I then pointed out that this was a known bug and that i could replicate it and maybe they could see how to fix it. I got a "log off for 10 minutes to fix it" reply. I replyed back that was not a fix. and that i only needed 60 seconds of his time. He replys "log off for 10 miutes or dont , those are your choices , and i am closing this petition".

Paddlefoot Aeon
SiN. Corp
Daisho Syndicate
Posted - 2007.08.02 16:34:00 - [209]
 

Here is proof that the MC mothership was desync'ed. (Check out the range of the target that the Mothership has locked)

Will CCP be reimbursing MC for their loss????


Popsikle
Minmatar
Caffeine Commodities Company
Posted - 2007.08.02 16:38:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: w0rmy

So you honestly cant understand why people have a problem...

When they loose their 20+ BILLION isk ship to the exact same problem as you suffered, and they do not get it back?


Tell me your feelings wouldnt be different if you lost all that effort, to known issues, to only be told "Sorry, youre not getting it back because there is no issue"

Once youve experienced the game a little more, you may begind to understand what these players are talking about.




Why would the GM's return ships that claim to be "desycned" but the GMS's cant see anything wrong. Should everyone get their ship back whenever they want? Is the general eve population to be trusted enough to be truthful when filing petitions?

You know the answer already w0rmy, your a pretty intelligent person, but ill spill it for thsoe less informed. If the server logs show lag, or something, the ship gets refunded. If the logs show nothing wrong (desync is totally different then server lag), the ship doesnt. EvE would be pointless if the GM's took peoples word for it. You would have all those people that would always petition their losses would a huge advantage over those of us who want to play fair.

Yes, it sucks. I lost a pair of pimp fitted BS's (not 20 bil worth, ofc, but somewhere around the cost of a dread ;p ) due to the issues, and as a "older player" I just have to grin and bear it, because I know at some point, I killed something that was desynced.


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