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Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.01.29 21:40:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 29/01/2004 22:05:18
Below are 3 examples of the new in-space ship colours.

They are marvellously idiotic.

Example #1:

http://www.frothy.org/images/dont shoot him-1.jpg

This fine example shows a member of [TPFM] - The People's Front of Minmatar. Curse Alliance member (note the -10 security rating) and also a naughty boy (notice the -0.1 security rating)with a pretty yellow ship symbol. Nothing wrong with this picture and is unlikely to result in any mistakes.

Example #2:

http://www.frothy.org/images/dont shoot him-2.jpg

In this example we see Edawg of [c0w] - Carebears on Weed. He has a -10.0 standing and a slightly negative security rating too. His ship symbol is red, the colour normally reserved for enemies you are at war with and therefore can shoot in Empire Space. EV are not at war with [c0w].

Example #3:

http://www.frothy.org/images/shoot shoot him.jpg

This example shows Fenix UA of [RUS] - RUS.
We are at war with this pilots corporation and he has a neutral/positive security rating.
As you can see, the ship icon is orange.

CCP, do you not feel you have made the orange/red colours far too close considering the vastly different reactions you'd get from shooting either coloured-icon in Empire?

No mistakes were made by myself this time Wink but it could so easily have happened.

KIAInkZ
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2004.01.29 21:46:00 - [2]
 

It would be nice if we could choose our own colours like in the auto scanner.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2004.01.29 21:58:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 29/01/2004 21:59:46
From the patch notes:

Quote:
Ship bracket coloring has been changed. In order of priority: Gang member (blue), Same Corporation (green) or corporation warfare (orange), Corporation set standing (yellow/blue), Player set standing (yellow/blue), Outlaw (red).

Noobious
Caldari
Posted - 2004.01.29 22:03:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Noobious on 29/01/2004 22:05:21
They seem to be lacking common sense too, they total changed cap drainers, but did they include the BP's nope perhaps they want me to do 1000 agents missions, **** that.

and another thing I noticed whilst looking at the market and unchecking active items, I noticed some Tech2 items but not all, eg no tech 2 turrets, no tech warp jammers notta, this leads me to belive castor was a "some more tech2 items will be added" patch not a "tech2 patch its all there go find it" am I wrong CCP? If so prove it.

Oh yeah whats the deal with corp standings nice one for changing it although I couldnt see why it needed changing, as soon as I replace the batteries for my crystal ball I'll see how it works

Noobious

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.01.29 22:04:00 - [5]
 

Edawg is not an outlaw. He has a -0.3 rating.

If a negative rating is meant to produce such a red colour, please explain why Frosty of [TPFM] who has the exact same circumstances (-10.0 corp rating and negative security rating) is a different colour.

Leekar
Arcane Technologies
Posted - 2004.01.29 22:10:00 - [6]
 

Yeah fix the colored brackets, this is getting damn anoying

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2004.01.29 22:12:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 29/01/2004 22:13:27
Lemme see:

Example 1
You´ve set a -10.0 rating towards him/his corp. So as you said everythings cool with that yellow bracket.

Example 2
Well, looks like a minus secrating makes you an outlaw, so red for him. But actually it depends on whether you have your standings set towards them or not, because if you did, he should actually be yellow since standings set by you/your corp have higher priority according to the patchnotes.

Example 3
Is totally ok. Corpwars get orange brackets.


Only example I find strange is 2.

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.01.29 22:15:00 - [8]
 

Why can't it be something simple like:

Same Corporation - green
Gang Member - blue
At war with - orange
Outlaw (i.e security rating of -10.0 down to -5.0) - purple
Bad corporation/personal standing - yellow

No room for confusion there.

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.01.29 22:16:00 - [9]
 

I just really dislike how close the orange and red are.

Try getting an example in a solar system with a background that is mainly red.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2004.01.29 22:17:00 - [10]
 

Because you´re dealing with CCP here. What did you expect? Something that makes sense?

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.01.29 22:17:00 - [11]
 

Quote:
Because you´re dealing with CCP here. What did you expect? Something that makes sense?


I always was an optimist.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2004.01.29 22:19:00 - [12]
 

Quote:
I always was an optimist.


Me too... before I started playing EvE Rolling Eyes

DB Preacher
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2004.01.29 22:48:00 - [13]
 

You should think yourself lucky, I am colour blind and can barely tell the difference between the green or yellow let alone the red and orange Sad

I'm just going to shoot everyone just to be on the safe side.

dbp

Lianhaun
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.01.29 23:03:00 - [14]
 

No mistakes were made by myself this time but it could so easily have happened.

Its soo easy to comment on that Wink
Naah I also think its a bit confusing Neutral

/emote hugs

Ao its not just you..if it helps

KIAHicks
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
KenZoku
Posted - 2004.01.29 23:24:00 - [15]
 

I Agree with Joshu, red and orange in those examples do look pretty close to me. However at least your corp settings go red.. Ours don't :(

Unless we set personal standing to -10.

The existing corp standings we have where our corp sees another corp at -10 still show as white :(

Does the new method of working mean each individual corp member has to set every corp we want at +10 to +10 for colouring? Or is it a bug that we can't see corp standings of +10 or -10 with any colour?

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.01.30 00:49:00 - [16]
 

"You should think yourself lucky, I am colour blind and can barely tell the difference between the green or yellow let alone the red and orange Sad"

... To be honest, i rely now on the autoscanner thingie which i can configure with colours and blinking and teh sh*t.. couldn't be arsed to actually try to find those small squares on the screen, takes way too much time ^^;

Skillz
Amarr
Posted - 2004.01.30 00:55:00 - [17]
 


Shoot at them all, as you usually do.


Primo x
Amarr
Posted - 2004.01.30 04:39:00 - [18]
 

Quote:
You should think yourself lucky, I am colour blind and can barely tell the difference between the green or yellow let alone the red and orange Sad

I'm just going to shoot everyone just to be on the safe side.

dbp


Agreed 100%...this is a problem for us color blind people.
If anyone has a quick fix or suggestions please post.
Thanks,
Primo x

Luther Pendragon
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2004.01.30 06:19:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Luther Pendragon on 30/01/2004 06:21:39
Quote:

Example 3
Is totally ok. Corpwars get orange brackets.



It is not ok. Green means ok, Blue means friend, Red means danger, orange means something in between. Its just like that. How much sense would it be if they made war enemies blue or green? Wars must be red.

Also, no regards for color blind people, no regards for the scanner settings.

Tartamlaz
Caldari
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
Posted - 2004.01.30 06:25:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Tartamlaz on 30/01/2004 06:28:13
luther ,i'm your twin brother(allmost)

Baldour Ngarr
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2004.01.30 08:09:00 - [21]
 

Quote:

It is not ok. Green means ok, Blue means friend, Red means danger, orange means something in between.


Read the patch notes; this is wrong. It might be right in 21st-century Earth, but that's completely irrelevant to 234th-century EVE.

Bjorn Nilfheim
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
The Forsaken Empire
Posted - 2004.01.30 08:34:00 - [22]
 

Outlaw can be marked by the corp. For instance, EVERY meber of Biomass Cartel, Space Invaders, or Huff Technologies that I see when not in gang is red. No matter the security status of the individual.

Estios
Minmatar
Posted - 2004.01.30 10:52:00 - [23]
 

Im colour blind so imagine my joy with these changes.

For me I cannot tell the differences between purple and blue (not an issue) and orange and red (quite a major problem).

I find it ridiculous that someone with -0.1 Sec rating would be Red but someone Im actively at war with is Orange.

Someone dropped the ball on this idea ...

Luther Pendragon
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2004.01.30 12:25:00 - [24]
 

Quote:
Quote:

It is not ok. Green means ok, Blue means friend, Red means danger, orange means something in between.


Read the patch notes; this is wrong. It might be right in 21st-century Earth, but that's completely irrelevant to 234th-century EVE.


You would have a point if the users were 234th-century players.

Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.01.30 13:46:00 - [25]
 

Quote:
Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 29/01/2004 21:59:46
From the patch notes:

Quote:
Ship bracket coloring has been changed. In order of priority: Gang member (blue), Same Corporation (green) or corporation warfare (orange), Corporation set standing (yellow/blue), Player set standing (yellow/blue), Outlaw (red).



Right, but outlaw (red) was supposed to indicate free-fire, remember? Someone with -5.0 security or lower was free-fire anywhere without penality (but still NOT poddable without penalty). Has this changed?

The point is by all universal color alert codes, Red should always == "shoot me! shoot me!! SHOOT ME!!!"
*BANG*
...yourrrrrr'e dethPICable.
oops, sorry, Daffy moment.

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2004.01.30 14:11:00 - [26]
 

BH is right.

Red and Orange should both be shootable in Empire - but clearly if the bad guy in Josh's example was just -0.3 then shooting = Concorde pwning your ass...

Siphol Kalarth
Posted - 2004.01.30 14:36:00 - [27]
 

Quote:

Agreed 100%...this is a problem for us color blind people.
If anyone has a quick fix or suggestions please post.
Thanks,
Primo x


Easy, change the shapes, use circles/squares etc.. but mostly.. make it customisable! Eg, for me #00AA00 (darkish green) and #FFFF00 (yellow) are much easier to tell apart than #00FF00 (bright green) and yellow, which are impossible to distinguish using the small blocks of colour in this game.

Either that or make them solid blocks of colour. Although I too am colour blind (yellow and green are hard to distinquish and limits my choices in the autoscanner, as are the red and orange in this game).


Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.01.30 17:28:00 - [28]
 

I just hope to God CCP pay attention.

Changing the shape of ship icons is the best idea EVER.

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.01.30 17:51:00 - [29]
 

"I just hope to God CCP pay attention.

Changing the shape of ship icons is the best idea EVER."


... Won't hold my breath waiting for it; if you poke around the EVE user interface files, you'll find that all icons in the main view are pre-drawn textures. Allowing colour and shape customization for those would require quite a bit of code change, i guess. o.O

NeoMorph
Aggressive Faction Defence Technologies
Posted - 2004.01.30 17:54:00 - [30]
 

Quote:
I just hope to God CCP pay attention.

Changing the shape of ship icons is the best idea EVER.


I agree Josh... in fact one of the most common forms of color blindness is the one that a large percentages of males get... a partial color blindness.

I'm one of these afflicted with partial color blindness... it just means I see colors different to the majority...

If CCP want to read up on color blindness there is this good article HERE that shows what it means to us guys.


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