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Mahrla
Caldari
Asgard Schiffswerften
Ev0ke
Posted - 2007.07.29 01:12:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Mahrla on 29/07/2007 01:14:22
Originally by: Kira Pasisson
Edited by: Kira Pasisson on 28/07/2007 20:38:32
yeah trying to relog since more than 20 min...it could have been a great fight....ccp stop thinking about graphic issues and other non-sense...get on the source and make this game playable again Evil or Very Mad !!!!!!!!



Why you so angry? That is the Problem from the NAPTRAIN your make all blue and if anyone Alliance have a Problem he bring your Friends! And what make the other Side? He bring your friends and the End of the Story is your bring more and more and more ppls why your own Alliance cant defend self your Space! Thats all and now cry all ppls they have LAG no Wonder by 400+ in Local! Rolling Eyes The same we have this in D2 and now what's now? D2 is anymore and that is good we have now lower blue and better PvP and the important thing no Lag in Fleetbattles! Razz

*Ironie on* Yeah we have 70% from EVE Blue and they help us!! Ohoho more Lag is coming! *Ironie off* The Server cant handle Battles over 300 ppls and more!!!

Make smaller Gangs with lower blue and your have Lagfree Fights and more Targets! Twisted Evil

Ignition SemperFi
Caldari
No Falcons Allowed
Posted - 2007.07.29 01:31:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Ignition SemperFi on 29/07/2007 01:32:17
Thank you CCP.

I would like to say out of all the bombs I could of purchased off of market.... i think the lag bomb was the best purchase I ever made.

Wrapped in coding gone wrong
Hidden in stealth from screens that wont load
Forced relogging just so people can stay in sync with the game
Amplified by "heat"
and finally
Ignored because the logs were too lagged out to even show lag


Thank you CCP. Best gift ever

/sarcasm off

Lifewire
Caldari
TunDraGon
Posted - 2007.07.29 01:43:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Noluck Ned

Yay, I soloed a templar, woop-de-doo.Neutral




aha!!! you killed my Templar ????Evil or Very MadYARRRR!!

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.07.29 01:47:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Lifewire
Originally by: Noluck Ned

Yay, I soloed a templar, woop-de-doo.Neutral




aha!!! you killed my Templar ????Evil or Very MadYARRRR!!

Yeah, its an Amarr fighter drone used by carriers.

Selene Le'Cotiere
Amarr
Farlight Council
Elitist Cowards
Posted - 2007.07.29 02:10:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Lifewire
Originally by: Noluck Ned

Yay, I soloed a templar, woop-de-doo.Neutral




aha!!! you killed my Templar ????Evil or Very MadYARRRR!!

Yeah, its an Amarr fighter drone used by carriers.
Which fighter is that?

M00dy
Minmatar
Killed In Action
Posted - 2007.07.29 02:41:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Lifewire
Originally by: Noluck Ned

Yay, I soloed a templar, woop-de-doo.Neutral




aha!!! you killed my Templar ????Evil or Very MadYARRRR!!

Yeah, its an Amarr fighter drone used by carriers.
Which fighter is that?


Can Templars use Jump Gates?

Ignition SemperFi
Caldari
No Falcons Allowed
Posted - 2007.07.29 02:51:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: M00dy
Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Lifewire
Originally by: Noluck Ned

Yay, I soloed a templar, woop-de-doo.Neutral




aha!!! you killed my Templar ????Evil or Very MadYARRRR!!

Yeah, its an Amarr fighter drone used by carriers.
Which fighter is that?


Can Templars use Jump Gates?



Do Templars suffer from desync?

Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Black Legion.
Posted - 2007.07.29 02:55:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: Aramendel on 29/07/2007 02:55:55
Originally by: Stamm
Heh, I dunno who told me. Can't remember. Took it for granted it was true, since it made sense that MC wouldn't have any long term interests in the north.


I doubt they bought it.

Historywise V7 was "promised" to RIOT for helping in the original clearing of tenal, MC was just planning to use it for a month as ratting/mining base for one of their corps. After RIOT selfdestructed COW moved up north to V7. Considering they were long time allies of RIOT my best guess would be that they essentially inherited their claim on the station.

Nevermind that by the time RIOT disbanded it was rather obvious that anyone who took that station would have to fight for it very soon vs a considerable enemy force, so I doubt anyone would buy it in either case. The whole point of buying a station is that you do not have to fight for it, otherwise you could "simply" go conquering one.

Talidorn
Gallente
Sad Panda Inc.
Pandora's Box.
Posted - 2007.07.29 02:58:00 - [99]
 

Hey, today was even WORSE than JITA on it's worst day! Not just worse... but desync*lag*JITA worse!

I logged and had to face RL! This was the first time in ages that I actually WANTED to not play when my alliance needed/asked for me to be there.

To the current tennants of V7 known as COW - The Desync & lag issues sucked for all involved parties.

Hopefully the rest of the week will be MUCH less laggy after Tuesday... ROFLMAO!!! like the changes on Tuesday will make it any better! Throwing more hardware at a software problem makes the problem more visible. /me starts singing "Here comes the lag... do dah do dah do... Here comes the lag..."

I am Talidorn, and I have thus spoken!

Sebo Darrens
Gallente
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.29 03:44:00 - [100]
 

hi

v7- shaped up to be an epic battle today, and wow it should have been.. but we got too many on both sides, and EVE can't handle those size blobs so we all lost.

not sure why there's smacktalk in this thread, CCP owned all of you today.

glad to see you all on the battlefield, hope to do it again a little bit cleaner someday soon

Centauris
Gallente
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.29 04:29:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: fire 59
You know what, it may not be too far fetched that in the near future, we won't be able to fight as we do atm. We may have to let the enemy fleet, jump in and load and then meet at a planet or something. Then warp closer to each other so we can actually fight with big numbers.




This doesnt seem to much far fetched lol I can actually picture this lol

and BTW whats happening in V7 Laughing

Minigin
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2007.07.29 05:23:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: Aya
Im sorry but you cant complain about getting blobbed in 0.0. If you have a problem with it go to empire


Suits us. Will keep our poses alive if you guys wanna play it like this. :)


so wait... if we all pack up and go home... and just send like 5 people... you will rip down your pos's and hand over the system?

nice... i had no idea...

tartrus
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.07.29 05:45:00 - [103]
 

last night was just another load of bull crap.... MM RZR dont sit there and pretend use had lag thats just bs guys u might of had a little. but when everyone our side is like i only see 402 in local and 3 other guys r like im getting shot... then one guys like umm there 500 and something in local it there gang and its sitting next to us. so frac use trying to make it look like use lagged as well and broke through our huge fraccin gate camp.

its almost like ccp want the defenders to loose and the attackers get all the benefits from the lag. CCP make the guys alrdy in system hav first prefs to server load this is bs im sick of these guys "winning" cus we desync and they dont. yes this is a whine but i got 0 repsect for MM rzr now so i dont want em letting peeps think there winning or there better. right now we hav not had a fair fight with MM rzr so both side hav no idea who accully win cus CCP chooses who win and its usally them jumping in. i would say they hav balls for jumping in but they know there gonna lag us out even more so im not gonna say it.

oh well guess im gonna get hammerd now. bring it on

Cpt Pugwash
Caldari
Rubra Libertas Militia
Posted - 2007.07.29 06:35:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: tartrus
last night was just another load of bull crap.... MM RZR dont sit there and pretend use had lag thats just bs guys u might of had a little. but when everyone our side is like i only see 402 in local and 3 other guys r like im getting shot... then one guys like umm there 500 and something in local it there gang and its sitting next to us. so frac use trying to make it look like use lagged as well and broke through our huge fraccin gate camp.

its almost like ccp want the defenders to loose and the attackers get all the benefits from the lag. CCP make the guys alrdy in system hav first prefs to server load this is bs im sick of these guys "winning" cus we desync and they dont. yes this is a whine but i got 0 repsect for MM rzr now so i dont want em letting peeps think there winning or there better. right now we hav not had a fair fight with MM rzr so both side hav no idea who accully win cus CCP chooses who win and its usally them jumping in. i would say they hav balls for jumping in but they know there gonna lag us out even more so im not gonna say it.

oh well guess im gonna get hammerd now. bring it on


If what you say is true why not wait until the are on the gate then jump into them?


Reverend William
Gallente
Shinra
Posted - 2007.07.29 06:38:00 - [105]
 

Not that I'm happy about the situation (I logged out after desyncing a couple of times and getting frustrated that I couldn't even load anything on grids), but what do you all expect? We called in hundreds of allies, RZR/MM/etc bring hundreds of people. Did anyone seriously think it would be lag free?

The problem is us, blobbing one another with every single pilot we have online. Is there an easy solution? Not really, but that's the plain and simple truth. No other game on the market even comes close to these size battles, why should eve be any different? Because people are stupid enough to sit around and amass thousands of players in alliances and then use them all at once?

*shrug* just sayin'

FubarSF
Caldari
Dynaverse Corporation
Sodalitas XX
Posted - 2007.07.29 07:17:00 - [106]
 

To bad there is no solution to this problem. I doubt either side will bring less numbers. If only the "Age of PoS's" never came. Sad

HeadHunta II
Gallente
Ghosts of War
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2007.07.29 07:36:00 - [107]
 

Lol, funny...

I was just trying to find out on another PC whats going on after i lost internet connection, to bad this one also lost internet connection while i was posting/editing this thread.Sad
To bad it was a lag hell again.

But funny to see that even if you write nothing (see my post) you can create a thread where ppl start *****ing arround again. Razz


Yuto Kang
Gallente
Session9
Malum Exuro
Posted - 2007.07.29 08:20:00 - [108]
 

I have no idea where the smacktalk is coming from. Both sides brought the numbers, much strategic movements around gates and intel game and in the end CCP's inability to provide a stable game experience ruined it for everyone.

It was meant to be an epic battle and people should stop blaming each other for bringing the numbers, because POS gameplay as designed and setup by CCP is really laid out for such large-scale fights.

So: blame to CCP, respect to all involved Cool

KOTH Fluf
Caldari
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2007.07.29 08:40:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: tartrus
last night was just another load of bull crap.... MM RZR dont sit there and pretend use had lag thats just bs guys u might of had a little. but when everyone our side is like i only see 402 in local and 3 other guys r like im getting shot... then one guys like umm there 500 and something in local it there gang and its sitting next to us. so frac use trying to make it look like use lagged as well and broke through our huge fraccin gate camp.

its almost like ccp want the defenders to loose and the attackers get all the benefits from the lag. CCP make the guys alrdy in system hav first prefs to server load this is bs im sick of these guys "winning" cus we desync and they dont. yes this is a whine but i got 0 repsect for MM rzr now so i dont want em letting peeps think there winning or there better. right now we hav not had a fair fight with MM rzr so both side hav no idea who accully win cus CCP chooses who win and its usally them jumping in. i would say they hav balls for jumping in but they know there gonna lag us out even more so im not gonna say it.

oh well guess im gonna get hammerd now. bring it on


I guess there are a couple of things you didnt learn from UEJ. First dont sit on a gate waiting for the attackers to come in as Cpt Pugwash said. Warp to the gate after or as they are jumping. Everyone in the system suffered from massive lag as multiple fleets jumped in from both the MU gate and the 2-3 gate. Your own forces (Fallen Souls) jumped in from the MU gate and according to your hypothisis should have had the advantage. We warped only our carriers to that gate to defend and RK jumped in behind the Fallen Souls gang. It appears that everyone at that gate was lagged massively as the 60 man gang from 2-3 jumped into you. The MM/Rzr support fleet warped to the 2-3 gate to a cov ops at range from your fleet. I was one of the first on grid and managed to load overview almost 3 to 5 mins later and started calling primaries. More then half the fleet that jumped into the large bubble on the 2-3 gate never loaded for almost 15 mins or more and some logged. Apparently some of you loaded, because you managed to kill me and a few others.

Bottom line is this is going to be a mess for awhile. You learn to deal with the various situations as they happen and try to learn how to play around the lag and plan on it. We all wish the game would play better, and I havent seen this much lag in along time, and I have been in alot of big fleet fights. We just have to adapt while CCP tries to fix this mess.

Nikerym Lestroy
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.29 09:23:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Originally by: tartrus
last night was just another load of bull crap.... MM RZR dont sit there and pretend use had lag thats just bs guys u might of had a little. but when everyone our side is like i only see 402 in local and 3 other guys r like im getting shot... then one guys like umm there 500 and something in local it there gang and its sitting next to us. so frac use trying to make it look like use lagged as well and broke through our huge fraccin gate camp.

its almost like ccp want the defenders to loose and the attackers get all the benefits from the lag. CCP make the guys alrdy in system hav first prefs to server load this is bs im sick of these guys "winning" cus we desync and they dont. yes this is a whine but i got 0 repsect for MM rzr now so i dont want em letting peeps think there winning or there better. right now we hav not had a fair fight with MM rzr so both side hav no idea who accully win cus CCP chooses who win and its usally them jumping in. i would say they hav balls for jumping in but they know there gonna lag us out even more so im not gonna say it.

oh well guess im gonna get hammerd now. bring it on


If what you say is true why not wait until the are on the gate then jump into them?




Just ignore him..... he's just jealous that we thought of it first!

Telis Guevera
Minmatar
Marquie-X Corp
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2007.07.29 09:28:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: Telis Guevera on 29/07/2007 09:31:44
Originally by: Tasuric Orka
Edited by: Tasuric Orka on 28/07/2007 21:03:54
We all blob, we all lag, shame on us for bringing what we can. No really, the only "blame" can be assigned to the engine and supporting hardware.

I should have stayed home, its all a joke really.Sad

No but really, we do need new graphics and ingame voicecom. Very Happy


For what it's worth, I decided to quote a guy from the other side of the guns.
We came for glory, they came for glory, and all we got was a lousy lagfeast (and not even a lousy t-shirt).

Next time every alliance send in 1 representative, and when that one gets killed all the belonging alliance members self-destruct. Pointless, but server-savvy.

NO - to in station walking
NO - to new ship graphics
NO - to the typos in my post
YES - to fleet experience (isn't that what they claim makes EVE such a rich experience?)

EvilPhog
Amarr
Dark-Rising
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.29 09:40:00 - [112]
 

Don't worry guys! Hardware upgrades on Thursday!! Laughing

Ashigara
Minmatar
Shocky Industries Ltd.
Fallen Souls
Posted - 2007.07.29 10:14:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: EvilPhog
Don't worry guys! Hardware upgrades on Thursday!! Laughing


Will we test it on Thrusday evening? Twisted Evil

Fabienne Sovicou
Gallente
M. Corp Ascension
M. PIRE
Posted - 2007.07.29 10:47:00 - [114]
 

Why aren't Razor posting their losses?

Stamm
Amarr
RHC
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.29 10:50:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Fabienne Sovicou
Why aren't Razor posting their losses?



With killboard syndication it isn't an issue any more. They'll get picked up on the updates.

spotnik
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.07.29 10:57:00 - [116]
 

I am suprised that nobody has considered that this game might be ahead of its time and the evolution of technology has not been able to keep up. The amount of computing power it must take to load up 500 ppl and still keep the game going should take no less than a super computer that the New York Stock Exchange must use.

If ccp wants to stop lag they would have to spend millions on hardware and in turn raise prices on subscriptions. I for one feel lucky to play a game of this high calibre.

If lag is to be reduced we have to change our tactics in how we fight battles. 500 ppl in one system is an enefficent use of resources and man power. There must be another way to seige a system but get the same result

sariss
Minmatar
GreenSwarm
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.29 10:59:00 - [117]
 

CCP designed this game the way that you need numbers to achieve something. And POS warfare needs huge numbers.

Razor/MM/etc. came in numbers because they need them for their goals. And since CoW is a small alliance we called for friends. That is not the problem, thatīs the way it is, thatīs the way EVE is designed.

But obviously the server canīt handle it. So either the game design or the server is flawed.

CCP - are you reading this?

Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.29 10:59:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Being proud of your achievements is nice and shiny... but I don't think you realy want to do this. You're very good guerilla warriors, highly efficient in small fast gangs, but POS warfare is a new thing for you.


You don't have a clue who we are, do you?


No comment.


Actually, where are the stats vs RZR alliance. It doesn't look good when it drops under 40%, does it? You're disgraceful!

Who you are again? You're good players with unbounded egos, confirmaed at least twice!

Not that it matters and you can say what you will, but my opinion on this matter is settled...


Hyllekjeks
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.07.29 11:05:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: tartrus
last night was just another load of bull crap.... MM RZR dont sit there and pretend use had lag thats just bs guys u might of had a little. but when everyone our side is like i only see 402 in local and 3 other guys r like im getting shot... then one guys like umm there 500 and something in local it there gang and its sitting next to us. so frac use trying to make it look like use lagged as well and broke through our huge fraccin gate camp.

its almost like ccp want the defenders to loose and the attackers get all the benefits from the lag. CCP make the guys alrdy in system hav first prefs to server load this is bs im sick of these guys "winning" cus we desync and they dont. yes this is a whine but i got 0 repsect for MM rzr now so i dont want em letting peeps think there winning or there better. right now we hav not had a fair fight with MM rzr so both side hav no idea who accully win cus CCP chooses who win and its usally them jumping in. i would say they hav balls for jumping in but they know there gonna lag us out even more so im not gonna say it.

oh well guess im gonna get hammerd now. bring it on


from what I saw in my covert, cow and friends sat with almost 150 ppl on the gate at some point with drones out. I wonder how the lag was created. When we jump in and you guys drop drones in order to create lag, you get it.

borup
Minmatar
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.07.29 11:08:00 - [120]
 

you all had lag?? lmao

serbia's dial up ftw!


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