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Silex D'Arden
Elapsed Masquerade
Posted - 2004.01.26 15:54:00 - [1]
 

I'm caught between the two. Any opinions?

Nightfang
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.01.26 16:13:00 - [2]
 

I'd go for the Incursus - three turret hardpoints are of more use than two turrets / one launcher.

And the Incursus has better agility and speed, which is muchos importante when flying frigates :)

Silex D'Arden
Elapsed Masquerade
Posted - 2004.01.26 16:45:00 - [3]
 

Cool. thanks alot

Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.01.26 16:58:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Rod Blaine on 26/01/2004 18:34:44
Don't forget the incursus has 4 medslots...

So you might be able to fit more then the usual 2 MWD'sVery Happy


edit: yeah of course im confused,. It's 3 medslots not 4.

JackDonkey
Posted - 2004.01.26 17:12:00 - [5]
 

If you plan on sticking to mainly gallente ships go ahead with the incursus, but if you are going to do other races as well the missiles on a tristan can save your butt, However at the lower level npcs you'd be fighting you could just warp away instead of using missiles. I like my tristan though.

Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
Posted - 2004.01.26 17:19:00 - [6]
 

a Incursus is a blaster boat, through and through, it can do some serious damage.

the Tristan is more of a do it all, just not as good kind of ship.

Chith
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Posted - 2004.01.26 17:24:00 - [7]
 

Just to correct the above, the incursus only has 3 mid slots. 3-3-2. Only frigate with 4 is the griffin, caldari. That being said, the incursus kicks ass. The extra missile slot may be really nice to have, but you can really feel the effects of having something like 35% smaller sig radius in the incursus. 3 ions or neutrons and you can do some really decent damage.

Silex D'Arden
Elapsed Masquerade
Posted - 2004.01.26 17:26:00 - [8]
 

Speaking of neutron blasters....I was thinking of switching over to railguns....good idea, bad idea?

FaTBaStArD
Asha'man Ltd.
Posted - 2004.01.26 17:32:00 - [9]
 

Rails are good, up close. I use em on my Tristan, but with my Heavy Missles, I only use em to finish off what the missles pound down to a pulp from 20k away. Laughing

Ruffles
Posted - 2004.01.26 17:32:00 - [10]
 

Try both styles, see which you prefer.

But they are two different styles. One rigs for speed and surviving in close where you will be shot at lots, and the other is rigged to maintain distance, and use that distance as a safety. Smile

Having said that the blaster damage on her is scarey Very Happy

Silex D'Arden
Elapsed Masquerade
Posted - 2004.01.26 17:40:00 - [11]
 

I'm thinkin two 150mm railguns, with a miner 1, not sure what to put in the med and low slots, maybe cargo xpanders.

Raeff
Body Count Inc.
The Requiem
Posted - 2004.01.26 18:12:00 - [12]
 

miner 1? .. you huntin or minin? .. not the greatest idea to cross fit a whole lot

Silex D'Arden
Elapsed Masquerade
Posted - 2004.01.26 18:19:00 - [13]
 

oh? i always thought it was good to be versatile

Masochist
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Posted - 2004.01.26 18:25:00 - [14]
 

Nobody successfully outfits their ship to "do everything" You need to have certain configurations for different situations. If you're mining, outfit it just for that. If you're fighting, leave the miner 1s at home and fit another weapon.

Silex D'Arden
Elapsed Masquerade
Posted - 2004.01.26 18:28:00 - [15]
 

gotcha. thanks. so 3 150mm railguns....what would good in the med and low slots

Naz Farooq
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.01.26 18:38:00 - [16]
 

I prefer the Imicus, especially if you're trying to be more Gallente-like. All turrets and drones is the Gallente way (missiles are for Caldari pig-dogs). Wink Train up your drones and you can use your Imicus with 2 mining lasers and 5 basic mining drones (or two harvies and a basic, but that's kind of spendy) or go with two railguns and a heavy drone (two meds and a light until you get drones 5) and beat stuff down. Well, beat little stuff down, but beat them down you shall.

Red girl
Posted - 2004.01.26 18:39:00 - [17]
 

Well, 3 150\s could be a difficult fit depending on your skills adn the rest of the slotuse.

Medslots can be used to further differentiate the combat role your ship can take.

For pirating industrials you should take a warpscrambler.

For fleet support you could take dampeners or two multispec ECM's. Whatever you are going to do...

Your regular NPC outfit could be a small shieldbooster, MWD and somethjing that takes very little cpu and power for third slot.

Lows: cap relay's or power diags maybe ?

Silex D'Arden
Elapsed Masquerade
Posted - 2004.01.26 18:42:00 - [18]
 

MWD?

Dust Puppy
Posted - 2004.01.26 19:43:00 - [19]
 

Quote:
MWD?


micro warp drive: Increases base speed of about 500% but reduces shield and capacitor by 25%.

A must have despite the penalties.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2004.01.26 19:49:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 26/01/2004 19:55:55
none of them. They´re both useless atm if you intend on any form of PvP engagements.

If you´re flying Agent Missions (like the rest of the universe's NPC-slaves...) you should pick the Tristan.
If you're mining just keep your current ship and wait till you can afford a Thorax + skills for more mining. Then you can skill for a Caldari Blackbird cruiser if you want to have at least a bit of PvP action. Just keep in mind though, in a frig PvP is just not going to happen, unless you like suicide.

Silex D'Arden
Elapsed Masquerade
Posted - 2004.01.26 20:20:00 - [21]
 

Interesting thoughts. hmmmmm MWD.....sounds interesting....sounds like it sucks up the cap pretty good though

JackDonkey
Posted - 2004.01.26 21:06:00 - [22]
 

Might you tell us what you'll be using the ship for? mining, fighting, agents, shooting other peoples cargo containers?

Nightfang
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.01.26 23:41:00 - [23]
 

Quote:
Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 26/01/2004 19:55:55
none of them. They´re both useless atm if you intend on any form of PvP engagements.

If you´re flying Agent Missions (like the rest of the universe's NPC-slaves...) you should pick the Tristan.
If you're mining just keep your current ship and wait till you can afford a Thorax + skills for more mining. Then you can skill for a Caldari Blackbird cruiser if you want to have at least a bit of PvP action. Just keep in mind though, in a frig PvP is just not going to happen, unless you like suicide.



Not true at all. I've recently gone back to frigate PvP and the Incursus can do some serious damage. I've soloed a Maller once and done a lot damage to several battleships with the role of a support craft.

Example: Not long ago me and a m0o were camping a gate. I had three named Electron Blasters fitted along with a MWD and two Stasis Webs. An Armageddon warps in, and with my MWD I am within webber range and have him targetted within just a few seconds. He can't MWD away, because I have him virtually halted, and he cannot warp, because before he can align the m0o (which was in a Scorpion) has him scrambled.

The Armageddon died. He tried to fire at me but missed all of his shots.

The conclusion is that frigates actually do rock as support craft. I'm waiting and holding my breath at what elite frigates will be able to do :)

Nervar
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2004.01.27 02:38:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Nervar on 27/01/2004 02:57:11
3x named blasters

1x weapon disruptor
1x mwd
1 smal c5 shield boost

1x cap relays
1x micro auxilery power core

1x heavy drone

The mwd combined with weapon disruptor makes you extremely hard to hit with medium/large guns. youl have the speed to outrun both drones and misilles.

Usally wipes out frigs inn 2 seconds with this setup.




Cao Cao
Caldari
S.A.S
Posted - 2004.01.27 03:19:00 - [25]
 

Quote:

none of them. They´re both useless atm if you intend on any form of PvP engagements.

If you´re flying Agent Missions (like the rest of the universe's NPC-slaves...) you should pick the Tristan.
If you're mining just keep your current ship and wait till you can afford a Thorax + skills for more mining. Then you can skill for a Caldari Blackbird cruiser if you want to have at least a bit of PvP action. Just keep in mind though, in a frig PvP is just not going to happen, unless you like suicide.


Very short sighted. Most ships are very capable against other ships if you use them properly and exploit their strengths and your enemy's weaknesses. The only exception to this is the Raven, which has no strengths and many weaknesses.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2004.01.27 03:40:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 27/01/2004 03:42:41
yeah I know... I´m just p..... because CCP won´t fix the shipclass balancing.

Oh... and we'll talk about that Incursus again when you engage more than one ship and your enemy brings a few drones around.
Of course you can use a frig 2on1. You can use an indy 2on1 if you do it right...

until that bs unloads the drones you'll be all fine. When you see em unload tho you better kick in that MWD...

And when you do kick in that MWD the fight is over for you cause you're running like the useless frig you are... when you don´t use it the fight is over cause you're dead. Whatever you do, the fight is over.

Nervar
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2004.01.27 03:57:00 - [27]
 

mm you have no imaginationRolling Eyes

lets say a VS deplyes the drones at you, kick inn the mwd lure the drones far out come hurling back while the slow ogres make theyr way back,, off course the incrsus is not likely to kill a BS. a frig cost 200k and a BS lots. but a wing off frigs might aswell do. with good skills the incursus can deal around up towards 100 dmg regualry. every 2.5 seconds or something.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2004.01.27 04:03:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 27/01/2004 04:15:52
No hard feelings man. I´ve heard it all. Tell me, have you seen frigates in the m0o videos? Have you seen frigates in any videos? Would you prefer a frigate over a battleship in a 10on10 fight?

Of course you would... on the forums...

But let's just do the creator of this thread a favor and don´t draw this one off topic. MO: If frigs would be as good as some of you uberpilots claim they are, fleet battles would be fought with them, but what you see in fleet fights is battleships and blackbirds. Nuff said.

Elithiomel
Special Circumstances
Posted - 2004.01.27 07:56:00 - [29]
 

Depends on how much fun you want to have.
Tristan with an H-50 launcher and a MWD is amusing :)


 

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