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Drak Vemso
Posted - 2007.07.15 21:08:00 - [1]
 

My biggest problem so far in eve is the PvP system. I spent several days getting my not-so-great mining frigate (by 99% of EVE players level of wealth) to a desirable status as well as investing over 1mil isk in implants. I got my confidence up and decided to try a .4 security zone...bad idea. Shortly after entering an asteroid field, I lost my ship and got pod killed. Sure, I can recover these losses pretty easily in 1-2 days, but one thing bothers me. When you get into the later portions of the game, do the losses "hurt" as bad? Basically, when you get to the point when (in my case) you get like an exhumer or high-end mining barge, if you lose it, does it hurt your wallet as bad? I know that the mining barges cost a LOT more than a frigate, but does the amount of isk you bring in at that point "soften" the loss? Reason I ask, I don't want to spend like a week or two on a ship and then watch it blow up and be unable to replace it for another week or so...that just kind of takes the fun out of it for me. The most appealing thing to me about this game is the science and industry systems. I have never been a fan of PvP in any MMORPG that I have played, but this game seems like the whole of later game is PvP Sad.

Easy Target
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe.
Posted - 2007.07.15 21:30:00 - [2]
 

Dont fly what you cant afford to lose.
Golden rule, always abide by it, if u cannot afford to replace the ship, but the same equipment and insure the ship that you are in, you shouldnt be flying it.

That reduces the loss "hit" as you can afford it.


The game is built round PvP, but all those players need a ship, and ammo, and drones, and modules. You can be an industrial player and never leave high security space and make a good amount of isk doing it.

If you arent sure if you want to subscribe then start a new trial and have another 2 weeks. Production is mainly logistics, once you have collected all the minerals to build they will build while you are asleep. Once built they will be on the market when you are asleep.

I do industry on a (very) small scale, and it is nice to log in and see an extra few million in your wallet.


Death penalty in eve is harsh, but if it wasnt the industrialists like you would never sell a ship, cos they would never get blown up.

Josva
Amarr
Posted - 2007.07.15 21:36:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Easy Target
If you arent sure if you want to subscribe then start a new trial and have another 2 weeks.


Is that possible?? I guess you will have to start on new characters at least then?

GC13
Caldari
Species 5618
R0ADKILL
Posted - 2007.07.15 21:37:00 - [4]
 

The death penalty is as harsh as you'll let it be. Ratting in 0.0 with a 20% corporation tax at a leisurely pace (i.e. I'm looting too) gets me about 15 million ISK an hour, and then I have the loot too. That's still days of work to pay for a fully-fitted battleship, or I could be making the equivilant of a cruiser or two to PvP in every hour.

But ISK flow increases greatly at higher stages of play. I can pull in similar amounts of raw cash doing missions in safe space, and there's no chance of me losing my ship to the enemies in the mission because I've already equipped my ship properly to deal with the mission.

Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.07.15 21:40:00 - [5]
 

One of the things many new players don't realise that as a pve focussed character, there is really no reason you need to be outside of high sec space. Although risk vs reward is supposed to be there, it really isn't. You can probably make close to the same amount of money mining in .5 sec as you can in low-sec, unless you've got a corp floating around 0.0, empire is where the real profit is.

DubanFP
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.07.15 23:24:00 - [6]
 

.1-.4 has a lot more risk, and not much more reward then highsec. However 0.0 has great rewards and is worth it, but you'll never make it in 0.0 without a 0.0 corp/alliance.

Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.07.16 03:17:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 16/07/2007 03:19:40
Originally by: DubanFP
.1-.4 has a lot more risk, and not much more reward then highsec. However 0.0 has great rewards and is worth it, but you'll never make it in 0.0 without a 0.0 corp/alliance.

This is not true, to be honest.

Its difficult, this is true, but its not a rule. With proper scouting, I can insert myself into nearly any system in the game, and use an alt to resupply ammo if i need it and transport loot back to empire for sale without hassle. Miners, this may be true, but ratters, missioners, PvPers?

Nah Wink.

To the OP's question, its simple - you don't know how to defend yourself yet. The better you watch local for potential threats, keep your eyes on a scanner, stay aligned out, the better your chances of survival are. The longer you play, yes, it will hurt more when you screw up if your flying nice things, but the flip side to this is that you'll know how to keep them safe and alive a lot longer.

Originally by: Josva
Originally by: Easy Target
If you arent sure if you want to subscribe then start a new trial and have another 2 weeks.


Is that possible?? I guess you will have to start on new characters at least then?

You'll have to start a new trial account, with a new character name, but yes, totally doable.

This was my third character I tried, the first one I failed at life flying horribly fit ships, the second one was mining oriented, then I came to my lovely combat-oriented Sakura and didn't look back Cool.

Shari Vegas
Minmatar
Ctrl Alt Elites
Posted - 2007.07.16 11:24:00 - [8]
 

EVE's a harsh game. If you can't live with that, then it's best that you don't subscribe.

You are going to lose ships. You are going to lose ISK.

These two things, however, are reduced greatly if you play smart.

Oriella Trikassi
Trikassi Enterprises
Posted - 2007.07.16 12:20:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Drak Vemso
When you get into the later portions of the game, do the losses "hurt" as bad?

Eve isn't a 'OMGWTF i got pwned it will take at least 5 mins to get back from town this game sucks' game. You can lose, lose again, and get wiped financially. If you don't keep your clone updated you can get brainwiped too!
Eve isn't about reaching lvl60 faster than your mates, it's about having fun.

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The most appealing thing to me about this game is the science and industry systems. I have never been a fan of PvP in any MMORPG that I have played, but this game seems like the whole of later game is PvP.

You're confusing what the Eve media contains with what is actually happening. The forums, Eve TV etc concentrate on PvP because PvPers like publicity and combat looks good on screen. The activities that support PvP go unreported, but be assured they exist and there are plenty of traders, industrialists, miners, etc around.

Being single shard means that Eve is not a single path game. You can PvP without ever looking at the Market Screen, you can be an influential player without a kill to your credit.

Daeva Vios
Posted - 2007.07.16 13:26:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Daeva Vios on 16/07/2007 13:26:51
Edited by: Daeva Vios on 16/07/2007 13:26:30
Edited by: Daeva Vios on 16/07/2007 13:26:06
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The most appealing thing to me about this game is the science and industry systems. I have never been a fan of PvP in any MMORPG that I have played, but this game seems like the whole entire game is PvP.


Fixed.

EVE is based on the idea that every form of player interaction has the potential to result in PvP. This is paraphrased from the exec. producer's own statements.

Expand your ideas of what PvP entails (it's not just pew pew) and you'll find that many of the activities you enjoy in EVE are driven by player conflict. You might find that you actually really enjoy it.

Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2007.07.16 13:43:00 - [11]
 

sign up for a month, see how you like it at the end of that, best person to help you decide is yourself.

Liberty Red
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.07.16 15:23:00 - [12]
 

Yeah Xtreem's right try it for a month or even 2 and see how u like it it took me a good few weeks to really start to enjoy the EVE universe.

Kerran Tinari
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Posted - 2007.07.16 17:17:00 - [13]
 

I would try it for a month or two also, and definitely try and find a nice Corp, it will help you a lot with advice and backup :)

BluOrange
Gallente
The OZ Hunters and Mercenary Association
Black Scope Project
Posted - 2007.07.17 10:22:00 - [14]
 

The losses never really stop hurting. You can set yourself up so that you can cope, but the reality is that you will find yourself flying something that you saved for weeks (or longer) to afford, and you'll lose it.

For me, that's one of the good things about this game. When I go out and fight, risking a significant part of my net worth and my self-esteem, I feel like I'm really taking a risk.

One moment in EVE that sticks in my memory is when I had 2/3 of my available cash in my cargo hold, and I came through a gate, straight into an ambush that had me outnumbered 6 or 7 to 1. I got out alive, and got my cargo safely to my destination. Those are the moments that make for great stories about what an amazing badass you were. Similarly, you can tell the story of how you valiantly sacrificed a ship in a battle. And unlike in Battlefield 2 or WoW or anything like that, doing something dangerous in EVE actually requires a bit of bravery. Which is why those players who achieve something in this game tend to be pretty proud of themselves.

I love EVE, because it helps me to feel like I've taken real risks, and that if I'd screwed up, it would have hurt.


 

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