Posted - 2007.07.09 06:50:00 - [3]

 

having a free slot in high sec is not a CCP given right, it's a privlage.
You want to have your own research slots, then work for it, either run missions to get standing or use one of the corp building services or just go low sec and put up a pos without hard work.

Posted - 2007.07.09 07:03:00 - [5]

 

Originally by: Death Kill

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To say that slots in high sec is not a 'given right' is like saying docking space is not a given right.

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Not entirely true - there are an unlimited number of ships that can dock anywhere at a given time. And research slots are not the same type of station service that fitting or medical facilities are.

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Fact is, the playerbase has increased heavily without CCP introducing more labs.

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You do make a good point - whether this is by design to encourage more player interaction regarding science and industry or something they intend on fixing or moving over to a dynamic system is different however, and I would say that it might be a good idea to research the economic impact of adding more research/copying slots.

Posted - 2007.07.09 08:58:00 - [7]

 

Originally by: Tarminic

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Originally by: Death Kill

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To say that slots in high sec is not a 'given right' is like saying docking space is not a given right.

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Not entirely true - there are an unlimited number of ships that can dock anywhere at a given time. And research slots are not the same type of station service that fitting or medical facilities are.

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Fact is, the playerbase has increased heavily without CCP introducing more labs.

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You do make a good point - whether this is by design to encourage more player interaction regarding science and industry or something they intend on fixing or moving over to a dynamic system is different however, and I would say that it might be a good idea to research the economic impact of adding more research/copying slots.

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ironic.
the player base has increased. that is true. but whats this about CCP not adding anymore labslots? i mean, whats the POS thing all about? much like the t2 lotto CCP wanted to move away from the 'first come first served' or 'he who is luckiest' type of deal and gives you unlimited lab slots. All you have to do is work a little for it.

So yea, player base increased and CCP responded by giving us the POS option. Sure it cost a bit but nothing in life is free

Posted - 2007.07.09 09:07:00 - [9]

 

If Im not mistaken, there are a limited number of moons. So lab poses are no more scalable with the population than station labslots, really, its just that theyre currently underutilized as its not at all economical for a lot of blueprint research (part time builders with a stash of BPOs for modules, ammo, etc).

Also I would assert that the current lab situation *is* a 'first come first serve' 'he who is lucky' etc situation, because all the older players who already did a lot of research when it was easier dont have to fool with the log ass queues and thus win out. Maybe theyll double the slots again with the next patch, they should do it periodically to keep somewhat in line with population.

Posted - 2007.07.09 11:11:00 - [11]

 

I've seen several corps whose business model revolves around renting out lab slots.

Please don't say that this is a CCP issue. Granted there are limited moons, but there are just that many high sec systems. Sec status is your own problem, thats like whining that getting carrier skills takes too long. Its there, it works.

Worse comes to worse you join a corp which has the facilities.

Posted - 2007.07.09 11:31:00 - [13]

 

Allow Empire POS holders to rent out labs to public without this alliance business, sort out copying so the copies get put in the station not the lab. Result potentially a major increase in the number of lab slots available to the public.

Posted - 2007.07.09 11:46:00 - [15]

 

Originally by: Estel Arador

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Originally by: Del Narveux

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If Im not mistaken, there are a limited number of moons. So lab poses are no more scalable with the population than station labslots

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There are 1126 high security systems, each with several planets and each planet with up to 20 or so moons. It'll take a while for that limit to be reached...

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Not completely correct: it is not possible to anchor pos in 1.0 or 0.9 systems.

Probably the cost and standing limits will still keep the number of POS well under the number of potential installations, but if you think that there are around 10.000 ME and copy slots in high sec (very rough estimate based on number of system and frequency of stations with research slots), and probably as much in low sec, and they are constantly filled, adding 5000 POS with 1 copy slot and 3 ME slots each will not completely cover the existing demand, even less the future requests, in particular with the heavy request for copies for invention.

Posted - 2007.07.09 12:19:00 - [17]

 

Edited by: Estel Arador on 09/07/2007 12:19:47

Originally by: Venkul Mul

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Not completely correct: it is not possible to anchor pos in 1.0 or 0.9 systems.

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Of course, my mistake. That still leaves 986 systems with a security rating of 0.5 to 0.8 though.

Originally by: Venkul Mul

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Probably the cost and standing limits will still keep the number of POS well under the number of potential installations

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It shouldn't be a problem. If demand increases, prices will rise and the cost - if it is too high now - will be more acceptable.

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adding 5000 POS with 1 copy slot and 3 ME slots each will not completely cover the existing demand, even less the future requests, in particular with the heavy request for copies for invention.

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A POS can run more than 1 lab at the time. (I guess it depends on how much defence you'd want on it.) Also that number of POSses probably is a bit on the low side. The average number of moons per system is well above 5.

Posted - 2007.07.09 13:22:00 - [19]

 

Originally by: Estel Arador

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Originally by: Venkul Mul

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Not completely correct: it is not possible to anchor pos in 1.0 or 0.9 systems.

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Of course, my mistake. That still leaves 986 systems with a security rating of 0.5 to 0.8 though.

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Wrong again .. max sec rating is 0.7 .. so that leaves like 876 systems ... Houston we got a problem

Posted - 2007.07.09 13:39:00 - [21]

 

Originally by: ForceM

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Wrong again .. max sec rating is 0.7 .. so that leaves like 876 systems ... Houston we got a problem

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OMG I really should get to know more about high sec POSses. Still there's plenty of moons to anchor POSses at left. I might get one for myself

Posted - 2007.07.09 16:22:00 - [23]

 

Originally by: Death Kill

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Originally by: mr bighelmet

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having a free slot in high sec is not a CCP given right, it's a privlage.
You want to have your own research slots, then work for it, either run missions to get standing or use one of the corp building services or just go low sec and put up a pos without hard work.

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1. I am working on it.(it will still take ages)
2. 0.4 still require +4 standings.
3. Pos in 0.0 = alliance cap fleet destroying pos.

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Funny how you forgot to mention 0.1-0.3 ...