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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:11:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 29/06/2007 15:15:59
Just starting a thread for commenting on this ordeal.


Quote:
Buying ISK for real money is a EULA violation and a punishable offence. The ISK being sold usually comes from hacked accounts, exploits and macroing. The ISK sellers have many tricks up their sleeves, such as rigging their websites to place key-loggers on their customers' computers in order to later hack into their accounts and remove the ISK they just sold, and any other items of value belonging to the players, their corporation or even alliance. This is NOT fiction or exaggeration - this is an actual and very recent case.


the above makes me worried for those those few farmers that actully work. it's to bad you can't trust anyone. so to everyone that still supports buying isk. I hope you get worse than banned. I hope you get scamed.

Guvnor RBM
Welsh Commanders
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:11:00 - [2]
 

Who died and make Go.... erm a Dev Razz

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:12:00 - [3]
 

Hello, and welcome to 2003.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:12:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 29/06/2007 15:16:13

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:18:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Stitcher on 29/06/2007 15:19:23
look, not to be unpleasant, but this isn't really news. EVERYONE knows that ISK trading is an EULA violation. We don't need random players stepping up to tell people something they already know. It's been that way since launch, and the last I checked nothing has changed.

So, this entire thread is a little bit unnecessary, surely?

Gah, and in the time it took me to write this, the OP went back and completely changed the focus of the thread.

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:24:00 - [6]
 

Heh, I wonder how the ebayer's will defend this one (though I'm sure they will, as always, rally to the cause of the isk farmers). Anyway, who made that quote?

Shameless Avenger
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:25:00 - [7]
 

You are right, buying ISK is not ok. But people have to be absolute about it. If buying ISK is not ok, it should be wrong in any form. Otherwise ISK buyers will just laugh at you.

I have a small quiz here:

Part A

Explain why buying ISK is wrong. Don't write a novel, 2 or 3 sentences should be enough. Be concise and to the point.

Part B

List 3 different ways to convert RL money to ISK:

1)
2)
3)

Part C

Now tell me why only one of the methods from part B is wrong and not the other 2. Please explain without contradicting with part A.



Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:27:00 - [8]
 

I'm curious as to how an isk selling racket even operates in this game when ccp allow the purchase of isk for cash through safe, official and 100% allowed channels?

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:29:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Gojyu
I'm curious as to how an isk selling racket even operates in this game when ccp allow the purchase of isk for cash through safe, official and 100% allowed channels?

Better pricing, I would imagine.

Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:29:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Shameless Avenger
You are right, buying ISK is not ok. But people have to be absolute about it. If buying ISK is not ok, it should be wrong in any form. Otherwise ISK buyers will just laugh at you.

I have a small quiz here:

Part A

Explain why buying ISK is wrong. Don't write a novel, 2 or 3 sentences should be enough. Be concise and to the point.

Part B

List 3 different ways to convert RL money to ISK:

1)
2)
3)

Part C

Now tell me why only one of the methods from part B is wrong and not the other 2. Please explain without contradicting with part A.





Always your face in these threads isnt it.

Shameless Avenger
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:30:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Omega Man
Originally by: Shameless Avenger
You are right, buying ISK is not ok. But people have to be absolute about it. If buying ISK is not ok, it should be wrong in any form. Otherwise ISK buyers will just laugh at you.

I have a small quiz here:

Part A

Explain why buying ISK is wrong. Don't write a novel, 2 or 3 sentences should be enough. Be concise and to the point.

Part B

List 3 different ways to convert RL money to ISK:

1)
2)
3)

Part C

Now tell me why only one of the methods from part B is wrong and not the other 2. Please explain without contradicting with part A.





Always your face in these threads isnt it.


You got a problem with it?

Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:33:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Gojyu
I'm curious as to how an isk selling racket even operates in this game when ccp allow the purchase of isk for cash through safe, official and 100% allowed channels?

Better pricing, I would imagine.



I figured, but seriously, who's going to risk getting their account banned for a couple of million extra isk?

Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:42:00 - [13]
 

I'll bite...

Quote:
Explain why buying ISK is wrong.


Because it inevitably causes inflation both in the real and virtual world.
Because it is supporting "sweatshop" industry (weak, I know)
Because buying ISK funds terrorism! Laughing

Quote:
List 3 different ways to convert RL money to ISK


Buying ETC and selling for ISK
Buying & training accounts to sell for ISK
Ebay/website ISK sellers

Quote:
Now tell me why only one of the methods ... is wrong and not the other [two].


They are all wrong, with the only difference being that the profiteer in my first two examples are the publishing company of this very fine game we play, whilst the latter could be anyone. We all understand the dichotomy, so what's your point? CCP are not arguing that ISK selling is "wrong", but merely that it is undesirable to them. Time codes have a (fluctuating) value in ISK, as do characters - their transfer using in game currency is evidence of this, nothing more. Whilst this of course means that there is an indirect ISK=US$ conversion rate, CCP do not need to justify the legality of utilising this exchange to us, no matter what.

Lal QelThyr
CB Industries
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:46:00 - [14]
 

Part 1

It allows those with real life resourses to outclass those without. This creates a rich/poor gap that corralates with the real life gap. This is bad.

Part 2

Ebay
GTC Sellers
hmm... 3rd one isnt too easy.

Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:50:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Shameless Avenger


You got a problem with it?


No problem at all kid, keep asking your daft questions and creating your odd excuses for isk sellers and i will keep laughing at you.

Fair deal?

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:52:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 29/06/2007 15:19:23
look, not to be unpleasant, but this isn't really news. EVERYONE knows that ISK trading is an EULA violation. We don't need random players stepping up to tell people something they already know. It's been that way since launch, and the last I checked nothing has changed.

So, this entire thread is a little bit unnecessary, surely?

Gah, and in the time it took me to write this, the OP went back and completely changed the focus of the thread.


sry yeah I saw what I did was not what I was trying to focus on

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:53:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Bklyn 1
Heh, I wonder how the ebayer's will defend this one (though I'm sure they will, as always, rally to the cause of the isk farmers). Anyway, who made that quote?


lastestest news on eve-online.
I should ad the GM name thanks

Seeing EyeDog
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:53:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Seeing EyeDog on 29/06/2007 15:53:22
Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 29/06/2007 15:19:23
look, not to be unpleasant, but this isn't really news. EVERYONE knows that ISK trading is an EULA violation. We don't need random players stepping up to tell people something they already know. It's been that way since launch, and the last I checked nothing has changed.

So, this entire thread is a little bit unnecessary, surely?

Gah, and in the time it took me to write this, the OP went back and completely changed the focus of the thread.


you'll knock the OP about his thread b/c this is what should be "common knowledge" but youve not knocked CCP for bringing up this TRIVIAL matter in your eyes...jesus christ im tired of people trying to play forum mod here.

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:55:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Gojyu
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Gojyu
I'm curious as to how an isk selling racket even operates in this game when ccp allow the purchase of isk for cash through safe, official and 100% allowed channels?

Better pricing, I would imagine.



I figured, but seriously, who's going to risk getting their account banned for a couple of million extra isk?

Well, there are folks out there who don't have the time to grind for it, so purchasing isk (or gold, or whatever denomination is used in whatever game) is the option they choose. They could spend the money to grind the game for months, or just plunk down some cash and get the leg-up they need.

Personally I think it's a ridiculous practice but that's my own opinion. I'm just saying that others do not place as high a value on earning their way that others might.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2007.06.29 15:56:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Shameless Avenger
You are right, buying ISK is not ok. But people have to be absolute about it. If buying ISK is not ok, it should be wrong in any form. Otherwise ISK buyers will just laugh at you.

I have a small quiz here:

Part A

Explain why buying ISK is wrong. Don't write a novel, 2 or 3 sentences should be enough. Be concise and to the point.

Part B

List 3 different ways to convert RL money to ISK:

1)
2)
3)

Part C

Now tell me why only one of the methods from part B is wrong and not the other 2. Please explain without contradicting with part A.





um... selling option A)leads to isk scaming and petitions and CCP doesn't get 15 bucks
option B)leads to ne petitions, less work on GMs, 15 bucks for CCP, and no chance of account sharing.

It's simple really.

who do you give your money too. it's all about that. one is safe and one leads to people beinghacked leading to GM work and player frustation and wasted time on the same issue over and over again.

bna bna bna stick
or safe CCP profits

Shameless Avenger
Posted - 2007.06.29 16:16:00 - [21]
 

For the ISK buyer, Buying from the dubious sites means more ISK per dollar. Sure, they risk getting banned, scammed and other things. But what's the motto of this game?

"Risk Vs Reward"

As ironic as it sounds.


Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2007.06.29 16:37:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
you'll knock the OP about his thread b/c this is what should be "common knowledge" but youve not knocked CCP for bringing up this TRIVIAL matter in your eyes...jesus christ im tired of people trying to play forum mod here.


I already tried being a troll and didn't enjoy it much.... Rolling Eyes

And why the hell should I knock CCP for repeating the rule? They wrote the damned thing in the first place, after all. That's a bit like having a go at the people who print Bibles for including the same ten commandments EVERY TIME.

Voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
We Are John Galt
Posted - 2007.06.29 16:39:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Shameless Avenger
For the ISK buyer, Buying from the dubious sites means more ISK per dollar. Sure, they risk getting banned, scammed and other things. But what's the motto of this game?

"Risk Vs Reward"

As ironic as it sounds.




Your always defending the isk sellers. Why?

CCP Says it's bad. It's bad. That's all you need to know. No ands ifs or buts.

Marketcheck2
Posted - 2007.06.29 16:42:00 - [24]
 

Isk trading isn't allowed and bad for the game economy and integrity......


Unless CCP gets a cut Rolling Eyes

Voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
We Are John Galt
Posted - 2007.06.29 17:00:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Marketcheck2
Isk trading isn't allowed and bad for the game economy and integrity......


Unless CCP gets a cut Rolling Eyes


GTC Trading wasn't intended to be a way to buy ISK. The players abused it and it become a way.

But, it's better than buying ISK outright from... predominately Chinese ISK sellers or other <Insert Race Here> isk sellers.

Shameless Avenger
Posted - 2007.06.29 17:06:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Shameless Avenger
For the ISK buyer, Buying from the dubious sites means more ISK per dollar. Sure, they risk getting banned, scammed and other things. But what's the motto of this game?

"Risk Vs Reward"

As ironic as it sounds.




Your always defending the isk sellers. Why?

CCP Says it's bad. It's bad. That's all you need to know. No ands ifs or buts.


Dude what are you smoking? AST what point I have defended ISK selling? All I'm saying here is that ISK transfer has 2 sides, buyers and sellers. You can't kill one without killing the other. And that's what people want to do.

People want to get rid of the farmers but at the same time they want to able to buy some iskies when the income is low.

People don't want farmers in alliances but at the same time, they want to get cheap ICE without mining.

All I want is for all of you to realise the irony of the situation.

Shameless Avenger
Posted - 2007.06.29 17:09:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Shameless Avenger on 29/06/2007 17:07:47
Originally by: voogru

GTC Trading wasn't intended to be a way to buy ISK...



Oh no? explain that one to me.

You seem to forget that in each and every one of the GTC transactions, someone if buying ISK. In EACH AND EVERY ONE.

Velsharoon
Gallente
Arcane Velshologies
Posted - 2007.06.29 17:15:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Shameless Avenger
Edited by: Shameless Avenger on 29/06/2007 17:07:47
Originally by: voogru

GTC Trading wasn't intended to be a way to buy ISK...



Oh no? explain that one to me.

You seem to forget that in each and every one of the GTC transactions, someone if buying ISK. In EACH AND EVERY ONE.


I thought it was just like jet can mining, totally unintended side affect. Either way ban the sellers and the buyers, cant be that hard :)

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.29 17:21:00 - [29]
 

GTC are not a way to Buy isk, what that means is GTC are not meant to be bought by isk sellers with ISK and then post that GTC on ebay. Essentially this is turning isk->$$

Voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
We Are John Galt
Posted - 2007.06.29 17:23:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Lithalnas
GTC are not a way to Buy isk, what that means is GTC are not meant to be bought by isk sellers with ISK and then post that GTC on ebay. Essentially this is turning isk->$$


Which is why the secure system came aboard.


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