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Ruato
Gurgleblaster Industries
Posted - 2007.06.28 19:14:00 - [1]
 

Couple minutes after i logged in, Finnish channel looked like THIS.

Whole channel seems to be very very annoyed (to put it mildly) about those damn spammers. (and im sure its same thing in every single major channel).

Was thinking how to get rid of them, heres couple (some usable, some less than usable and some propably quite stupid) ideas:

1. Automatic chat channel monitoring

- chat servers are automatically monitoring all major chat channels for certain strings (for example, known isk seller web site addresses).
- when string is found, GM is notified and (s)he can quickly get rid of the spammer.

This would make process of getting rid of these spammers quite bit faster (ie: remove petition process).

2. ISD monitored chat channels.
- Give ISD right to mute people.
- When ISD member sees spammer, he could simply mute the spam bot.

Again, it would make process quite a bit faster.

3. IP address monitoring and banning.
- All IP addresses of accounts banned for ISK spam are logged.
- When certain IP pops up regularly (lots of trial accounts banned from that IP), ban the whole IP address (or certain IP address range).

Yeah, yeah, i know this doesnt work too well. (dynamic ip addresses, proxy servers, and all that fun stuff makes it hard). But it could possibly get rid of some of them.

4. Require credit card number for trial accounts.
- And ban the credit card number completely (if multiple violations happen)


5. Make trial accounts invite only.
- Means that only current players can invite their friends
- invited trial account is used for spamming purposes, trial account who gets banned and account who invited it gets a warning (and eventual ban if it continues).

OK, fifth one might be bit too harsh (but it was just an idea) :p

UPA Terf
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
Posted - 2007.06.28 19:16:00 - [2]
 

yes i know its quite ironic but im going to put this up here as well for anyone whose solution is just block them

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0706/2007.06.28.19.07.37.jpg

IT DOESNT WORK!!

Ruato
Gurgleblaster Industries
Posted - 2007.06.28 19:17:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: UPA Terf
yes i know its quite ironic but im going to put this up here as well for anyone whose solution is just block them

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0706/2007.06.28.19.07.37.jpg

IT DOESNT WORK!!


Amen brother ;)

Callente Riveara
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2007.06.28 19:19:00 - [4]
 

please see the other 5280 threads on this same subject.

Thanks

RtoZ
Posted - 2007.06.28 19:20:00 - [5]
 

A suggestion to ccp: throw the offending sites on the word filter so that they can't be linked in chat. Problem solved, thank me later.

UPA Terf
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
Posted - 2007.06.28 19:22:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Callente Riveara
please see the other 5280 threads on this same subject.

Thanks


in the best traditions of the forum complain till you get an answer.

You're Welcome

SirMolly
Posted - 2007.06.28 19:24:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: SirMolly on 28/06/2007 19:28:40
Edited by: SirMolly on 28/06/2007 19:23:42
Edited by: SirMolly on 28/06/2007 19:23:12
just censor out their websites in in game chats.

UPA Terf
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
Posted - 2007.06.28 19:25:00 - [8]
 

but if they put a space in it or an extra character then tht would be getting around the website filter

Guvnor RBM
Welsh Commanders
Posted - 2007.06.28 19:26:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Guvnor RBM on 28/06/2007 19:25:29
Originally by: SirMolly
Edited by: SirMolly on 28/06/2007 19:23:42
Edited by: SirMolly on 28/06/2007 19:23:12
just censor out their websites in in game chats, like:

http://www.********.com
http://www.********.com
http://www.i*****.com


Nice one, you just plugged 3 isk seller sites Embarassed

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.06.28 19:27:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 28/06/2007 19:27:55

That's how I see it. Not pleasant, but... that's how it might actually be.

Probable internal position (publicly unvoiced, of course) on the matter by CCP : "only causes minor annoyance to users but no significant subscription drop rates, trying to properly fight it takes too much resources for the potential benefits it can bring, and might actually reduce new subscription rates by accidentally blocking innocent people (potential future subscribers) from the game if we take an IP-based approach, or could also reduce new member growth if we limit trial signups in any other ways than email addresses".

Ruato
Gurgleblaster Industries
Posted - 2007.06.28 19:30:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Callente Riveara
please see the other 5280 threads on this same subject.

Thanks


Thanks for the bump. Cheers YARRRR!!

Ruato
Gurgleblaster Industries
Posted - 2007.06.28 19:32:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Ruato on 28/06/2007 19:31:50
Originally by: Akita T
That's how I see it. Not pleasant, but... that's how it might actually be.

Probable internal position (publicly unvoiced, of course) on the matter by CCP : "only causes minor annoyance to users but no significant subscription drop rates, trying to properly fight it takes too much resources for the potential benefits it can bring, and might actually reduce new subscription rates by accidentally blocking innocent people (potential future subscribers) from the game if we take an IP-based approach, or could also reduce new member growth if we limit trial signups in any other ways than email addresses".



Possibly.

But it also eats quite a bit of GM time because im sure they get huge amounts of petitions for these spammers. And every petition needs to be processed.

Its only minor annoyance if they have monkeys working as GM team who work for bananas (otherwise it costs CCP quite a bit of money) :)

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.06.28 19:34:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 28/06/2007 19:34:23
Originally by: Ruato
Its only minor annoyance if they have monkeys working as GM team who work for bananas (otherwise it costs CCP quite a bit of money) :)

Hey, bananas aren't THAT cheap either !
And you know how many monkeys do you have to get to type on typewriters to get a decently worded petition response ?
It would be cheaper to hire humans Twisted Evil

UPA Terf
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
Posted - 2007.06.28 19:39:00 - [14]
 

since this thread started i have added 2 more names to the block list

Kolwrath
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2007.06.28 19:45:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Kolwrath on 28/06/2007 19:44:19
Originally by: RtoZ
A suggestion to ccp: throw the offending sites on the word filter so that they can't be linked in chat. Problem solved, thank me later.


Uhh yeah that wont work. Please look into the whole spam filtering thing ... baysan and keyword filtering and you will see that filtering content is incredibly hard. Even the most hardend spam filters still have things that manage to fall through the gaps. These guys ... there clever. Even more clever that you think you are.

Eg, if www.aisksite.com if filtered, then they will start using www.@isksellingsite.com ... and once that gets filtered they will change to a new name ... again and again and again. Then they will start using the special characters that look like the letters ... (vi/-\gra ... v|agra .. etc..). I managed a spam filter for a compnay ... every day they changed things.

If blocking spam was that easy as you think it is, then we would not have things like spam assassin, or any of the professional email spam filtereing services (which cost ALOT OF MONEY) out there. Your solution looks easy ... but really it will not work.

I would also like to point out that there is probably somwhere in the thousands of chat channels in eve. Filtering the content on all of those channels in real time would take another Jita Node server just to do that. Yes you could try it client side ... but then there would be new client spam filter updates every two days.

Sorry but it aint that easy.

Jesters Knight
Posted - 2007.06.28 20:02:00 - [16]
 

you should have seen the guy who posted the website in the forums general discussion area.

now that shows how bad its gotten

Voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
We Are John Galt
Posted - 2007.06.28 20:06:00 - [17]
 

Wow look at all these threads.

Zeonos
Amarr
Griffin Industries Ltd
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
Posted - 2007.06.28 20:07:00 - [18]
 

not sure how it works, but in wow i use Spamsentry. after installing i havnt seen one goldseller annoucement. so it seems to be working :) "and yes wow is VERY bad with gold sellers aswell.

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.06.28 20:22:00 - [19]
 

Disallow trial accounts to join any player channels.

Solved.

Caios
Caldari
Killson Corp
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2007.06.28 20:47:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz
Disallow trial accounts to join any player channels.

Solved.


A lot of trials are actually new players that are deciding whether or not they want to play EVE or not. EVE isn't exactly the most noob-friendly game in the first place, and ballgagging them is hardley the kind of treatment that would get them to convert their trials.

We've basically got an ******* who's taken a room full of babies hostage. How do you kill the guy without hurting the babies?

shady trader
Posted - 2007.06.28 20:48:00 - [21]
 

They have even started spamming the macrointel channel. I would be supprised if there was a channel less likely to have isk buyers in it.

MissileRus
Posted - 2007.06.28 21:15:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: MissileRus on 28/06/2007 21:15:27
Originally by: Caios
Originally by: Sokratesz
Disallow trial accounts to join any player channels.

Solved.


A lot of trials are actually new players that are deciding whether or not they want to play EVE or not. EVE isn't exactly the most noob-friendly game in the first place, and ballgagging them is hardley the kind of treatment that would get them to convert their trials.

We've basically got an ******* who's taken a room full of babies hostage. How do you kill the guy without hurting the babies?


they can type in help and local, they can join the other channels and watch them but cant type in them if their trial. that would be good imo

and blocking known sites in filter is good too

edit: an option for player channels to block trial accounts would be nice too Twisted Evil

Major Stormer
Caldari
MEK Enterprises
Posted - 2007.06.28 21:33:00 - [23]
 

Yes. Yes it sucks. Would be nice if CCP would do more against them.

Would be ****ing awesome if people stop bloody buying the ****ing ISK in the first place thou.


Cygnus Zhada
Viziam
Posted - 2007.06.28 21:42:00 - [24]
 

Other games solve that by having new characters start in a seperate instance which you can only leave after getting to a certain level or having done a number of quests.

Ruato
Gurgleblaster Industries
Posted - 2007.06.28 21:48:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Other games solve that by having new characters start in a seperate instance which you can only leave after getting to a certain level or having done a number of quests.


That has nothing to do with isk spammers. Its just their way of doing newbie tutorials (doesnt prevent players from joining chat channels)

Cygnus Zhada
Viziam
Posted - 2007.06.28 22:00:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Ruato
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Other games solve that by having new characters start in a seperate instance which you can only leave after getting to a certain level or having done a number of quests.


That has nothing to do with isk spammers. Its just their way of doing newbie tutorials (doesnt prevent players from joining chat channels)



And in the process they make it a tad more difficult for isk spammers to conduct business, do you really think they didn't think of this rather nice side effect?

MissileRus
Posted - 2007.06.28 22:44:00 - [27]
 

CCP dont do instances, and never will.. their a evul plague to the genre development.. YARRRR!! only cheap-ass money greedy companies fill their games with instancing since their to ignorant to develop the genre just wanting income and easy solutions.

Toria Nynys
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.06.28 23:17:00 - [28]
 

There may be a solution here. Allow trials into player channels, but only after a 20-30 minute tutorial.

That'll not put a damper on the real newbies who are likely to stay, but slow the spammers *way* down. If they have to spend 30 minutes to make a spambot (after having to code the path through the tutorial into it) only to be banned seconds after spamming -- may be inconvenient enough to cause some of them to seek alternate advertising outlets.

Derovius Vaden
Posted - 2007.06.29 01:06:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Toria Nynys
There may be a solution here. Allow trials into player channels, but only after a 20-30 minute tutorial.

That'll not put a damper on the real newbies who are likely to stay, but slow the spammers *way* down. If they have to spend 30 minutes to make a spambot (after having to code the path through the tutorial into it) only to be banned seconds after spamming -- may be inconvenient enough to cause some of them to seek alternate advertising outlets.


They will just macro the tutorial, and get back in the channel faster than midget on a slip-and-slide. Anything that a player can do with a few clicks, someone can make a program for.

F90OEX
F9X
Posted - 2007.06.29 01:21:00 - [30]
 

Been a trader, every nearly every 2-5mins ISK spammer in the trade channels . Worst I have ever seen it.



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