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Richard Aiel
Caldari
Umbra Exitium
Order Of The Unforgiving
Posted - 2007.06.22 05:11:00 - [1]
 

This is from a dev blog (that hasnt had a posting in in a while) and im wondering what the community thinks of it

Oveur:

For some reason, my brain has had the inclination to focus on designs today. As a result, we've been discussing agents and how to utilize the new functionality in the Exploration system that was added in Revelations.
We're also overhauling the top 70 mission encounters in the first Need for Speed agent initiative. It might not sound as much, but if you think that 1 encounter might have itself spawned 5000 times over a day, there's considerable "bang for the bucks" in making them more fun, challenging and perform better on the server and client.

Yay, more about messing with my stuff and nothing new, huh?

Actually, that's one of the reasons I'm writing this blog. We've noticed that our blog focus has been in more general terms and the details have been more on general systems, warfare, combat and such and not very much about agents and "PvE" in general.

It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game, but in a broader sense of the word. This is also why both terms are in quotes. Imagine me with a beer making 'air quotes' (think Doctor Evil but without the attitude) when I say PvP and PvE.

We consider almost every activity in EVE to be "PvP". We've touched on this before, the basic example always used is that, you as a pilot doing a mission for an agent ties into a lot of elements where you are competing with other players. "PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale. You're competing in price and supply.

Great, a philosophy lecture

Sorry about that, wasn't my intention, but I felt it important define the context before continuing. All EVE players experience different playstyles, you can take long term tours of duty in certain areas of the game or you're more into the jack of all trades. The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game. Look at the previous context before determing that we're only talking about fleet battles.

We're adding more Agent levels

There, I said it. Let's get it all into the open so we can start focusing on the finer points of it. This is part of a bigger strategy of the colonization of EVE, attempting to tie the higher levels of gameplay into the various aspects of EVE. The key points we feel are important here are:

Level 4 will become closer to Level 3 in difficulty, the jump up will not be as drastic as it is now.

Level 5 will be the new level, consisting partly of the most difficult Level 4 missions, but mainly new missions.

New missions in Levels 4 and up will focus on the escalating warfare between the Empires and factions. This incidentally enables you to engage Dreadnoughts, Carriers and Motherships.

Levels 5 and up are all in 0.4 security and below.

Level 6 will be a brand new Agent Level

Levels 5 and 6 will be open to certain capital ship classes (possibly all, including those moved from 4 to 5)

Level 7 is still a possible addition, also a brand new agent Level

Level 7 would be open to all ship classes, except Titans.

The majority of these new missions will not have ISK bounties on NPCs, they will be Loyalty Point focused or Mini-Profession based. You earn your ISK by selling to other pilots. We're very aware of ISK inflation and this is a step in preventing that.
The Loyalty Point system will be turned into a more store-type mechanism, almost how many envision a black market (and in essence it is), thus creating a high-level ISK sink.
You would now earn Loyalty Points on the corporate level, allowing you to move easier to other agents in the same corporation.
more...

Richard Aiel
Caldari
Umbra Exitium
Order Of The Unforgiving
Posted - 2007.06.22 05:22:00 - [2]
 

You would now earn Loyalty Points on the corporate level, allowing you to move easier to other agents in the same corporation.

New missions can utilize "Escalating Paths", where you have multiple encounters. These can be optional encounters, encounters required to complete the mission, and random bonus encounters that may not be given or require an unknown prerequisite be met.

"Escalating Paths" also allow for more interesting Courier and other hybrid missions on all Agent Levels.

New missions will utilize Exploration and Mini-professions to further expand reward abilities.

There will be new Agents to be distributed by hand, for better load distribution. This help thin the crowded agent hotspots.

New missions will be focused on fewer NPCs, utilizing the big ships and structures as focal points to provide better server and client performance.

Mission rewards can be split among a group.

Encourages colonization of low security, the higher population providing pirates with more, but tougher (capital-ship-driving-group-flying) pilots.

Said capital-ship-driving-group-flying pilots probably remember said pirates from when pirate took pilot out the last time and capital-ship-driving-group-flying pilot will stop if he sees said pirate criminal flagged at a gate.

Slowly involves the "PvE" player in more "PvP" EVE activity.

I realize some of this came with rev II but lets focus on what HASNT happened yet.
What Im worried about are the low sec agents...

to quote a joke I heard in game:
"Where can I find a lvl 5 agent?"
"Look for the nearest mothership pirate gatecamp."

This is gonna be a problem eventually

Richard Aiel
Caldari
Umbra Exitium
Order Of The Unforgiving
Posted - 2007.06.22 06:27:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Richard Aiel on 22/06/2007 06:26:23
Noone has ANYTHING to say about it?
NOONE likes it?
NOONE dislikes it?

Anyone even care where the future of this game is going?

Rolling Eyes

Valan
Posted - 2007.06.22 06:39:00 - [4]
 

Empire has level 4s and people can solo there.
0.0 has alliances complexes and other stuff.

Low sec has nothing so they're expanding content into low sec and upgrading it to give rewards worth the risk.

I'm assuming you're whining that you may to PvP or have I misunderstood? In which case the game is going back on the correct direction becuase its always been a PvP game. Just lately its been regressing inot Hello Kitty in space.



Zalathar
Minmatar
Trannyz
Posted - 2007.06.22 06:41:00 - [5]
 

ok, easier lvl 4s... don't know what to think of that.

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2007.06.22 07:17:00 - [6]
 

What's your point?
Oh, and, couldn't you have just quoted the relevant sections instead of cut-paste-wtfbbqwalloftext.

Richard Aiel
Caldari
Umbra Exitium
Order Of The Unforgiving
Posted - 2007.06.22 09:59:00 - [7]
 

Since when is simply asking a question = a whine....

well at lweast I didnt get accused of being a Goon like everyone else seems to be getting nowadays

Thank youi for reinforcing my decision not to talk on these forums anymore as these forums = troll central.. Im sure I can break this habit now!


Lardarz B'stard
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2007.06.22 10:09:00 - [8]
 

I don't quite get what your point is.
If I understand your post correctly you are quoting a big chunk of text from Oveur from ages ago about the future of agent missions and asking people what they think?

I think -
Agent missions are dull. I think you should do them in low sec an 0.0 as well as high sec. Level 5's should be a bit less dull, and be dangerous to beat and easy to get ganked in.

I also think you should have posted in the missions section, where you would have an audience that are more 'bovvered'.


Dread Phantom
Caldari
End Game.
Posted - 2007.06.22 10:10:00 - [9]
 

Please help us find your question

Valan
Posted - 2007.06.22 10:50:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Richard Aiel
Since when is simply asking a question = a whine....

well at lweast I didnt get accused of being a Goon like everyone else seems to be getting nowadays

Thank youi for reinforcing my decision not to talk on these forums anymore as these forums = troll central.. Im sure I can break this habit now!




How was it not a whine? It was disguised well but basically it amounted to OMG they're going to make me work in a group where we can be shot in a PvP MMORPG was it not?

Please prove us wrong by pointing out exactly what is wrong with that blog. Dulling down the empire lvl 4s? Placing lvl 5s in low sec? Oveur's desire to get people PvPing?



Richard Aiel
Caldari
Umbra Exitium
Order Of The Unforgiving
Posted - 2007.06.22 15:13:00 - [11]
 

I WAS trying to get an honest answer to what they think of the future ccp has planned out not "troll troll flame about whining flame flame troll"

But it doesnt seem like you CAN get honest answers out of this community so nevermind

PhamNuwen
Caldari
Abyss Rangers
Posted - 2007.06.22 15:21:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: PhamNuwen on 22/06/2007 15:21:10
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Edited by: Richard Aiel on 22/06/2007 06:26:23
Noone has ANYTHING to say about it?
NOONE likes it?
NOONE dislikes it?

Anyone even care where the future of this game is going?

Rolling Eyes


EVE ==> Space-CounterStrike...??

___
>"The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all)
...time for a change?...

Valan
Posted - 2007.06.22 16:28:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Richard Aiel
I WAS trying to get an honest answer to what they think of the future ccp has planned out not "troll troll flame about whining flame flame troll"

But it doesnt seem like you CAN get honest answers out of this community so nevermind


This was the honest answer-

'Empire has level 4s and people can solo there.
0.0 has alliances complexes and other stuff.

Low sec has nothing so they're expanding content into low sec and upgrading it to give rewards worth the risk.'

Along with-

'In which case the game is going back on the correct direction becuase its always been a PvP game. Just lately its been regressing into Hello Kitty in space.'

This bit was me asking if it was a whine-

'I'm assuming you're whining that you may have to PvP or have I misunderstood?'

You spat the dummy so my first assumption stands corrected. A possible response would have been-

'No its not a whine but I don't agree people should be forced to PvP. I definitely don't like the level 4s being dumbed down.'

My reply-

'I don't like the idea of level 4s being made easier either. I also agree you can't force people to PvP but you shouldn't have top rewards without risk.'

See start of a discussion. May be a little over sensitive lol. You knew what was coming and tried to skirt around it so not to get flamed and got sore because people saw it for the charade it was. Voice your opinion and take it on the chin when someone has a go.





Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.06.22 16:34:00 - [14]
 

You can't really complain that people are whinning about you and calling you a troll Richard...that's basically what you're known for - Trolling, mocking and whinning about everything you possibly can, as long as you get to attack CCP in one way or another.


Jim McGregor
Posted - 2007.06.22 16:36:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Jim McGregor on 22/06/2007 16:36:58

You could have just linked to the blog instead of quoting everything in it.

Anyway, the blog sounds good and a lot of the stuff he is talking about is going to make the game more fun in my opinion. Its already more fun (the pve part) just with the lp store, easier level 4's and the introduction of level 5 missions.

If you dont like it, bye?

And why the feck do you ask for comments on a old blog when people have already commented on it months ago in the sticky that was attached to it? Sigh.

Richard Aiel
Caldari
Umbra Exitium
Order Of The Unforgiving
Posted - 2007.06.23 04:28:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Richard Aiel on 23/06/2007 04:30:42
Edited by: Richard Aiel on 23/06/2007 04:29:01
Originally by: Cadela Fria
You can't really complain that people are whinning about you and calling you a troll Richard...that's basically what you're known for - Trolling, mocking and whinning about everything you possibly can, as long as you get to attack CCP in one way or another.




Yore right.. Im not a CCP fanboi so I MUST be a troll/Goon/BoB/whatever negative is being tossed around this week

And as far as me leaving... Until something beter comes along... or the game dies... or World of Darkness MMO comes out, Im still missioning in Empire...





 

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