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Allan Robertson
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.06.21 21:04:00 - [271]
 

Humm a pay-per-view EVE TV just for people to tell us how big and amazing BoB is, I kinda liked EVE TV before all this it's lost it's magic when money and corporate intrests get invloved. I *might* signup for the first episode but I can't see me coming back for anymore. And

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.22 01:45:00 - [272]
 

Edited by: Patch86 on 22/06/2007 01:45:46
Hmm, using the overpriced and unpleasant Jalipo software? I generally dislike streamingin all its forms, but Jalipo is one of the worst of the lot.

Just do a google search for Jalipo and note how many negative results you get...


Pay per view = poor. Pay per view streaming = absolute fail.


EDIT: Also, extremely uninformative dev blog. Didn't address a single question that I've seen about the service. TBH, I'm struggling to work up the energy to watch the free trial at this rate...

Just4u
Caldari
Posted - 2007.06.22 02:03:00 - [273]
 

Just do a google search for Jalipo and note how many negative results you get...


Pay per view = poor. Pay per view streaming = absolute fail.

Wow that's exactly what it's like posting to this website about poor game play. hehe

They could care less just keep paying them and they will continue to FU

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2007.06.22 02:34:00 - [274]
 

Edited by: Nyphur on 22/06/2007 02:33:47

Converting cash into points or tokens is something that casinos do to make people mentally separate the two. It's easier to make someone part with a token worth 200 than it is to make them part with the actual cash. I'd rather be able to straight up pay for the service with paypal but I know you guys are having to keep costs down and are working with another company.

Good luck on this. I'll probably tune in to watch the first one if it is indeed free. However, at 5 "credits" per minute, the free 200 won't last for the entire 45 minutes, we'll miss the last five minutes and that will probably ruin the experience. I'm unlikely to pay for the show and would encourage you to find alternative sources of funding but that's up to you guys.

One thing I will suggest is running low-budget shows. Use a lot of people talking, videos of in-game footage and have people call in with skype to participate ratehr than flying them out somewhere just to chat to them. A good example would be an interview program. Low-budget but high quality programming is hard to pull off but not impossible. The original EveTV alliance tournament coverage was relatively inexpensive, I assume.

EDIT: Oh, you need to download special software for it? Yeah, can't be bothered with that.

Red Art
Posted - 2007.06.22 03:11:00 - [275]
 

Quote:
We are also hiring a state-of-the-art 11 million studio in which we will film every week.


sry this was your first blemish. maybe it's a bit harsh...
but most ppl are not willing to pay for hm whatever eve tv will be.

first, if you would take a NON state-of-the-art hyperbillion film studio, but rather a smaller newcomer company wich you would help with a larger project you could save your cash and probably OUR too.

you can pay a LOT of $ for name... and it seems you've done that twice now.

whats your next step ? taking $ for myeve ? making screenshots ? ingame mail ?

if you need xtra$ just take $ for your HARD work.. i talk about upgrades like revelation...

LL

Akiman
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.06.22 03:13:00 - [276]
 

im not paying.

the blender
Viper Intel Squad
Sons of Tangra
Posted - 2007.06.22 03:18:00 - [277]
 

I forsee spilt quafe and tears.

Algorithm 5
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.22 03:47:00 - [278]
 

Originally by: SHC Derek
Free trial. Theres a FREE TRIAL! I don't see why everyones making judgements without even trying the product Confused



We tried it for the Caldari Tournement. It completely died, and my trial credits died with it.

Kornel
Minmatar
Alfa Corporation
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2007.06.22 09:00:00 - [279]
 

I think - CCP must build up their own small studio - it will cost around 150k one time investment, hire 2-3 people to work there. And they will giva us REAL eveTV for free. We already pay for game, and there is MANY of us. 150k for video hardware/software - its a 10k players monthly fee. CCP have 170k+. CCP, consider this money like investment in players - old and new.

QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.06.22 09:43:00 - [280]
 

I'll bet you guys wish EVETV was live tomorrow, since now you won't be able to cover the Titan death...

parrowdox
Caldari
Vitai Lampada
Posted - 2007.06.25 09:37:00 - [281]
 

Eve TV as an idea is superb, i thoroughly enjoyed the previous tournament and other video posts however, i agree with the majority that paying to stream is a little weak

i think it would be far easier and fairer to literally take a small sum from a yearly budget and make your own studio, get a few cameras link it all up, use all the usual hosts and the few extra people like make up etc as you were saying and run it as a free service with episodes being donwloadable from the website.

you could run a scheme where you could catch the last weeks episode up until the airing of the new episode, and if you were unable to catch it there is a service in which you pay and can download, this will allow for a aprt of your running costs as people are more willing to pay a small sum for a downloadable show

also advertise? why can you not advertise on this program to reduce costs ??

well thts my opinions :D
and as it stands i will not be paying for EVE-tv
Sad

Basileus
Posted - 2007.06.25 10:42:00 - [282]
 

Paying for Eve-TV? Bah, humbug. No way.

Kornel
Minmatar
Alfa Corporation
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2007.06.25 12:16:00 - [283]
 

Edited by: Kornel on 25/06/2007 12:17:36
Well it happened... I see first free show. Payable or not, its not the question anymore for me now.

I am make shows, news, programs. Its my real life job. If I will do SO MANY ERRORS in almost all layers of production I will be fired in same day. Its not PRO, its not even amateur... This kind of quality.... give me one time budget of around 150k-250k, and you recieve BETTER , MUCH better results with only personnel salary weekly cost. And your own set...which can be used for many other things, like producing something for EON...

Sound, sound levels, material editing ,lighting, studio set... all is BAD! I was LOL, when see 4 people light set... expecialy on the right... its 11M studio? LOL LOL LOL!
This reading from paper... person who talk to the edge of screen... Its a show about how you do not do that. Its fall under my LOWEST expectations.

People who maked it and approoved it to show to public call themselthes PRO... LOL LOL LOL!

Guys in EVETV, you should pay us for that! Anyway, thank you for good comedy! Expecialy makeup for goth looking girl. I do not believe that second attempt will be better.

P.S. Pro hardware do not mean PRO quality. Find right PRO people.

TheHolyKamikaze
The Knights of Gonjdor
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2007.06.25 12:50:00 - [284]
 

I have to agree with most people here.
Paying for EveTV is not a good idea, and probably keep me from watching it.

Though keep in mind, just like most media on the internet, I'm sure someone will end up recording it and providing it free on the internet.

Just a prediction.

heheheh
Phoenix Club
Posted - 2007.06.25 13:05:00 - [285]
 

Pay to watch someone else play and talk about eve ?
no thanks.
Another pointless service when time effort and cash could have been spent on other things, MAn i really love this game but CCP are an absolute joke.

Rusty PwnStar
Centus Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.25 14:14:00 - [286]
 

Will it be the same 'top quality' as before, when watching the fights.
If so I'll pay.

Oh wait.....


Arclan Cirel
Posted - 2007.06.25 15:35:00 - [287]
 


With the greatest of respect charging for EVE-TV is a failure of business development, the primary role of these services is to encourage new users to join EVE, anyone who is naive enough to believe that these services can be revenue generators is delusional. Both EVE-TV and EON should be publicity vehicles, nothing more. The fee will ultimately do more harm than good, cynically, they could always get folk hooked and then start charging, anyone ever heard of 'Bait and Hook?', i suspect however that the target audience is not large enough for profit.

If i want to see a fat english guy spouting drivel i need only look in the mirror, that's free...

If CCP really want to expand the business they need to get serious about the back story and produce some video shorts (with actors!). Also, take the item descriptions seriously, e.g. "250mm railgun - for blowing S@#$ up" - please, we take the game seriously so should you.

If i were in charge of CCP you'd have a million subscribers by year end, there,Very Happy i said it....

ZeeWolf
Therapy.
The Fourth District
Posted - 2007.06.26 18:54:00 - [288]
 

Any cost is too high for some poor half-assed production.

Guilliman R
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2007.06.26 19:23:00 - [289]
 

11mil that could have been spend on state of the are servers :(

Lost Vagus
Posted - 2007.06.26 21:41:00 - [290]
 

ITUNES you idiots, nuf said,

Lysit Kaune
Minmatar
Band Of Bonkers
Posted - 2007.06.26 22:06:00 - [291]
 

Originally by: Kornel
Edited by: Kornel on 25/06/2007 12:17:36
Well it happened... I see first free show. Payable or not, its not the question anymore for me now.

I am make shows, news, programs. Its my real life job. If I will do SO MANY ERRORS in almost all layers of production I will be fired in same day. Its not PRO, its not even amateur... This kind of quality.... give me one time budget of around 150k-250k, and you recieve BETTER , MUCH better results with only personnel salary weekly cost. And your own set...which can be used for many other things, like producing something for EON...

Sound, sound levels, material editing ,lighting, studio set... all is BAD! I was LOL, when see 4 people light set... expecialy on the right... its 11M studio? LOL LOL LOL!
This reading from paper... person who talk to the edge of screen... Its a show about how you do not do that. Its fall under my LOWEST expectations.

People who maked it and approoved it to show to public call themselthes PRO... LOL LOL LOL!

Guys in EVETV, you should pay us for that! Anyway, thank you for good comedy! Expecialy makeup for goth looking girl. I do not believe that second attempt will be better.

P.S. Pro hardware do not mean PRO quality. Find right PRO people.


Am I the only one to get that to flow is I imagine its Borat saying it.
"I am make shows, news, programs. Its my real life job. If I will do SO MANY ERRORS in almost all layers of production I will be fired in same day."

Dave White
Interlude.
Posted - 2007.06.26 22:16:00 - [292]
 

I'd be willing to pay some money for watching EVE-TV, because it does cost money sorting it all out. However, from what I've seen so far of EVE-TV, I'm not spending a single dime on it.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2007.06.26 22:21:00 - [293]
 

Download button are where?

Phoebus Athenian
Gallente
Epicurean Circle
Posted - 2007.06.26 22:22:00 - [294]
 

Just an idea since I'm never going to pay for streaming...
How about you let out a free bittorrent stream of the actual file in high quality...
Stick it on Rapidshare.com and similar places?
That'd be awesome and will get you exposure.

ZeeWolf
Therapy.
The Fourth District
Posted - 2007.06.26 22:47:00 - [295]
 

We could however all pitch in 1 pence each, then someone can purchase the stream, fraps it, then host it on YouTube :D

Self One
Posted - 2007.06.27 03:18:00 - [296]
 

Edited by: Self One on 27/06/2007 03:16:58
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KenDoll
Posted - 2007.06.27 03:24:00 - [297]
 

How about spending this Eve-tv budget on something that the players want Like MORE SERVERS to help with the fackin lag, or buy more dev's to iron out the de-sync bug (and more) etc etc etc!!!.

whats the point of advertising this game when the server's are buckling under already heavy load, we suppost to tell our new starters that fleet 0.0 battle's are catch 22 and you may or may not lose your ship to a server blip or de-sync (any number of load related issues).. but there certainly wont be reimbursment for your loss, sure that would keep those subs coming. Rolling Eyes


Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.06.27 10:48:00 - [298]
 

Originally by: KenDoll
How about spending this Eve-tv budget on something that the players want Like MORE SERVERS to help with the fackin lag, or buy more dev's to iron out the de-sync bug (and more) etc etc etc!!!.

whats the point of advertising this game when the server's are buckling under already heavy load, we suppost to tell our new starters that fleet 0.0 battle's are catch 22 and you may or may not lose your ship to a server blip or de-sync (any number of load related issues).. but there certainly wont be reimbursment for your loss, sure that would keep those subs coming. Rolling Eyes




Your argument would be valid if CCP were actually involved in teh production of Eve-TV.

They don't pay for it, or produce it, MMM publishing who print E-ON do. The only affiliation with CCP is that they advertise it on the Eve-Online site, and have devs go on the show to talk.


William Hartas
Caldari
Academia de Combate
Posted - 2007.06.27 10:54:00 - [299]
 

GET AN AUTOCUE!!

It looks so unprofessional to keep looking down at notes, it looks as though your eyes are closed most of the time. Surely an autocue could have been included in the budget.

I can't see myself paying for this, there were things mentioned in the "coming up in this show" bit that didn't appear and the audio balancing was rubbish, some segments were really quiet and almost inaudible.

Irob Urore
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.06.27 11:02:00 - [300]
 

the tournaments are free arnt they? thats all i really want to see.


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