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Imperator Jora'h
Posted - 2007.06.16 04:25:00 - [1]
 

Looking to buy a new PC and the buggers will give me Vista or charge me for XP.

I have seen some comments that Vista blows chunks and EVE has issues with it but nothing definitve (at least that I can remember).

So Vista or XP? I know EVE is supposed to be Vista happy someday but now is what I am concerned about.

FWIW: My new system will be pretty pimp so horsepower I doubt will be an issue if that makes a difference.

Opinions?

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.16 04:26:00 - [2]
 

XP is better IMO; most of Vista's "features" can be easily enabled in XP without suffering Vista's problems.

The best trick is to get Vista free, keep the CD key and CD-ROM, and then buy a 50 dollar OEM copy of XP; then if you ever need Vista for any purpose you already have it! Razz

Imperator Jora'h
Posted - 2007.06.16 04:32:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
XP is better IMO; most of Vista's "features" can be easily enabled in XP without suffering Vista's problems.

The best trick is to get Vista free, keep the CD key and CD-ROM, and then buy a 50 dollar OEM copy of XP; then if you ever need Vista for any purpose you already have it! Razz



Good thinking.

In my experience though in place upgrades (if/when I go from XP to Vista someday) stink but still a good idea. Think I will do that.

Is there ANY reason to do Vista today? Does it get anything better than XP? Or just a lot of promises for coolness?

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.16 04:36:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/06/2007 04:35:30
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Dark Shikari
XP is better IMO; most of Vista's "features" can be easily enabled in XP without suffering Vista's problems.

The best trick is to get Vista free, keep the CD key and CD-ROM, and then buy a 50 dollar OEM copy of XP; then if you ever need Vista for any purpose you already have it! Razz

Good thinking.

In my experience though in place upgrades (if/when I go from XP to Vista someday) stink but still a good idea. Think I will do that.

Is there ANY reason to do Vista today? Does it get anything better than XP? Or just a lot of promises for coolness?

It has a lot of annoying features, some which you can disable some which you can't.

It has a lot of built-in DRM designed to wrest control of your computer from you.

It has a lot of features that were in XP but not enabled by default, such as the SuperCache feature.

It has a lot of minor improvements all over the place but little worth nothing overall. Gaming performance is down slightly due to immature drivers.

It is pretty buggy.

Messerschmitt facility
Amarr
Posted - 2007.06.16 04:44:00 - [5]
 

XP > Vista in everything that you can think of.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/

James Duar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.06.16 04:46:00 - [6]
 

XP is a lot faster then Vista - I've seen notable performance improvements downgrading my (new) laptop from Vista to XP, as well as having eliminated all the annoying problems of Vista.

XP is quite a mature OS at this point - most of the security issues have been fixed, a lot of bugs ironed out etc. and it can't be beat in terms of stability for a windows OS.

Vechloran
Posted - 2007.06.16 04:51:00 - [7]
 

If your a gamer, get it, learn it, begin to love it. DirectX 10 is here, it's not going away, and DirectX 9 is on the way out.

There is no way to get DirectX 10 in XP, they aren't going to do that, so if you want to play the latest and greatest games a year from now, bet on many of them being DX10 only.

Bugs, drivers, all that aside, I find it to be intriguing in many ways and I think it's going to be better then XP given time. I also don't think we will have a choice eventually if we want to do the newest and fanciest things.

Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
Posted - 2007.06.16 04:53:00 - [8]
 

might want to keep up to date, 3rd party developer is releasing software to run dx10 on linux, xp, and macs

Krysta Gemme
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2007.06.16 05:41:00 - [9]
 

There is no DX10 out, and there is none out for the foreseeable future. DX10 also means more eye-candy, which also means, weaker performance for older/mediocre machines. DX10, will mean less frames for more quality. DX10 will not matter or truly be worth it, until 2008-09.

That's a fact, everyone telling you to jump to Vista is saying.

Sacrifice 15-20% performance speed for future-proofing.

Sacrifice versatility in software and drivers for future-proofing.

Sacrifice OS reliability for unstable system software and drivers for future-proofing.

Vista is the new road forward, but it has detour signs and construction work all over it. Take the proven route, and wait for this scenic pass to finish before riding.

XP is reliable, solid and a true performer. This is why Windows wants you to upgrade. Whenever something reaches the pinnacle of stability, it's a known technique amongst OS makers to upgrade to a buggier setup, if only for job security and mindset.

With new updates being required for Vista, it guarantees long sales and business with enterprise and IT technology. Whilst XP, slowly being perfected, is slowing down on the critical updates and the security vulnerabilities. Not good for them, great for you.

If you need transparent windows that bad, download Windowblinds. Other than that, I can't honestly say what Vista will give you NOW, that XP cannot other than a graphics platform that isn't even in use for the foreseeable future.

Enraku Reynolt
Minmatar
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2007.06.16 06:12:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
XP is better IMO; most of Vista's "features" can be easily enabled in XP without suffering Vista's problems.

The best trick is to get Vista free, keep the CD key and CD-ROM, and then buy a 50 dollar OEM copy of XP; then if you ever need Vista for any purpose you already have it! Razz


best opinion given so far
you get the advantage of XP stability, with the ability to upgrade to vista when your forced to

Christopher Scott
Blue Republic
Posted - 2007.06.16 07:12:00 - [11]
 

XP is better than Vista in EVERY SINGLE WAY.

- Xp is faster, more secure, more supported, more stable, and more compatible.

- There are many theme packs to make XP look like Windows Vista, including the icons.

- Xp has a much smaller memory footprint, and more options/tweaks to increase performance.

- Xp fully utilizes SLI. Vista does not.

- Xp has superior memory and pagefile handling. Vista is retarted when it comes to using either, and decreases the lifespan of your hard drive.

- There are no DX10 games or content coming out for many, many, many months. The content that is scheduled to come out, will also be compatible with DX9.

- Windows Media Player 11 is available for XP. Google desktop for Xp owns Vista Sidebar and Instant Search.

- Xp can be easily configured to dual-boot with any other OS, including Linux. Vista's new boot manager will make you hang yourself.

- All of Xp's customization and options can be easily found in the control panel, Vista likes to tortue you with magic search words and guessing games.

- You can easily setup a local network between Xp machines. Vista gives you a bunch of confusing options, half of which don't work, making LAN setups a total pain in the ass.

I could keep going with this, but main point: Vista sucks, stick with Xp.


Entity One
Enlai
Posted - 2007.06.16 07:42:00 - [12]
 

XP is better than Vista as of now, but that will change soon enough. That's always the way it is with a new OS, it's nothing new. Anyways, if the most intensive game you're playing is Eve, there's no real reason to use XP. Even with the performance hit you get using Vista, a new computer shouldn't have any problems at all running Eve.

Everyone loves to jump on the bash on Vista bandwagon, but it really isn't bad at all. Unless your system needs every last bit of its power to run your games, Vista will run it just fine and futureproof your machine to an extent. Sure you can always reformat and just install Vista when it matures, but if all you're doing is running Eve, there's really no reason to go through the (admittedly minor) hassle.

TTIGER
LaiDai Research Services
Posted - 2007.06.16 07:43:00 - [13]
 

Dont use any microsoft OS before service pack 1 Wink

Foxtrot986
Invention Services
Self Service Research
Posted - 2007.06.16 07:51:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Foxtrot986 on 16/06/2007 07:58:02
I am using Vista with zero problems. I disabled UAC first thing when I installed it. Some people say that is a bad idea, but UAC seems to be something that only creates an illusion of security...not to mention it's really annoying.

Anyway, I did notice that Vista seems to alt-tab to the desktop out of Eve much faster than it did with XP. That's one plus, and I don't see any significant cons. If you want to go on the safe side, stick with XP, but I think that with decent hardware and at least 1 GB of ram, Vista is just fine and dandy.

As far as performance goes, Vista seems to run Eve as well as XP. Granted, I haven't run benchmarks, but I find it just as playable as I did with XP. My relevant hardware is as follows:
CPU: Athlon 64 3200+ S939
Ram: 2x512 Corsair XMS
Graphics: Nvidia 6800GS PCI-E

Not the greatest hardware, but Vista seems content with it. Anyway, hope that helps Wink

Doppleganger
Minmatar
Band of Builders Inc.
Sodalitas XX
Posted - 2007.06.16 07:56:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Doppleganger on 16/06/2007 07:56:06
Edited by: Doppleganger on 16/06/2007 07:55:55
Originally by: Krysta Gemme
There is no DX10 out, and there is none out for the foreseeable future.


Not 100% true but for right now I would still stick with XP.

Originally by: TTIGER
Dont use any microsoft OS before service pack 1 Wink


QFT

Foxtrot986
Invention Services
Self Service Research
Posted - 2007.06.16 08:15:00 - [16]
 

How many of you that are saying Vista sucks/blows chunks/is buggy actually have the OS? Didn't think so. I actually have Vista and I have had no issues whatsoever. Vista is not buggy, I find it quite stable. If you have to pay extra to get XP, my vote is for Vista. Yes, some games like FEAR, for example, run much worse on Vista due to poor video drivers ATM. However, strictly for Eve, you will not be disappointed with Vista. I also have several friends who are running Vista with no regrets. They are WoW players, but I guess not everyone is perfect, right? Wink

Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
Posted - 2007.06.16 08:57:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari

It has a lot of built-in DRM designed to wrest control of your computer from you.


The sole reason I won't even consider Vista right now. I don't care how sexy DX10 is.

Imagine, you come home with a new DX10 game which has HD cut-scenes in it. You plop it in your shiney Vista machine and play the first couple chapters. When you get to the cut-scene between the second and third chapters you get the message,
"The Acer AL1906 is not an approved output device for this media type".

WTF!?

Turns out, two weeks before you bought your game some movie pirating outfit figured out how to use your flat screen device for ripping HD content. Your flatscreen was on the approved list up until two days after you bought your game, movie, whatever. It gets pulled from the list of approved devices and MS "updates" your OS automatically, something you can't turn off, and suddenly your computer is no longer capable of playing HD content. You can no longer play your shiney DX10 game until you go out and buy another moniter. Nothing wrong with it besides what somebody in another country did... Doesn't matter, the practical end is you can't play your two day old game.

No thanks.

My hardware. My OS. My movie or game. My $$.

The only people who suffer from DRM are the honest people.

It doesn't stop the pirating, it just makes us Average Joes suffer. The media industry can take a flying leap, as far as this Average Joe is concerned, and MS can go with them as long as they're in bed together.

I'm not going to pay through the nose to "upgrade" to that sort of Big Brother BS.

Throw on top of that the performance degredation, the bugs and other troubles, and the question "will you upgrade to Vista?" makes me
Laughing

Cypherous
Minmatar
Lions of Judah Incorporated
Posted - 2007.06.16 09:48:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Foxtrot986
How many of you that are saying Vista sucks/blows chunks/is buggy actually have the OS? Didn't think so. I actually have Vista and I have had no issues whatsoever. Vista is not buggy, I find it quite stable. If you have to pay extra to get XP, my vote is for Vista. Yes, some games like FEAR, for example, run much worse on Vista due to poor video drivers ATM. However, strictly for Eve, you will not be disappointed with Vista. I also have several friends who are running Vista with no regrets. They are WoW players, but I guess not everyone is perfect, right? Wink


Not very many of them will have it i did buy it and not that useless home version they provide for free but the business edition, the only people complaining that its slow are those with PC's that only just beat the recommended specs and really should turn off all the pretty UI and effects, i for one have a PC that struggles not with vista in the least and runs fine apart from a hardware related BSOD issues (PSU popped while it was on a reinstall fixed the issue) i find that vista works fine, granted drivers are still a pain to get but how many people forget that you can actually use XP drivers for your hardware?

Granted vista is fairly bloated and it does require about 2GB of RAM before its anywhere near full speed but i have 4GB so it flies like a bird, DX10 will eventually be a requirement for games so i'm jumping in early, TBH when i got vista i expected it to be a lot worse than it actually was and for those people complaining about XP being faster than vista refer to my RAM comment above.

SirMolly
Posted - 2007.06.16 10:03:00 - [19]
 

Vista eats your RAM. I mean its wasting so much of it and what do you get in return ?! Some DRM crap lol.

Cypherous
Minmatar
Lions of Judah Incorporated
Posted - 2007.06.16 10:17:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: SirMolly
Vista eats your RAM. I mean its wasting so much of it and what do you get in return ?! Some DRM crap lol.


You get futureproofing and the ability to play withthe DX10 EVE client when its released and also when games start requiring DX10 you'll either have to swap to vista or find an alternative

Wild Xenria
Gallente
Space Locusts
Posted - 2007.06.16 10:24:00 - [21]
 

A friend of mine had his computer replaced recently through insurance (not sure on why) but the important bit is, new one has vista and is not stable on eve at all.

He's majorly disapointed because he wanted to try combat (new player).

I don't know if new patch will make things any better but currently Vista and EVE aren't a good combination.

Cypherous
Minmatar
Lions of Judah Incorporated
Posted - 2007.06.16 10:28:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Wild Xenria
A friend of mine had his computer replaced recently through insurance (not sure on why) but the important bit is, new one has vista and is not stable on eve at all.

He's majorly disapointed because he wanted to try combat (new player).

I don't know if new patch will make things any better but currently Vista and EVE aren't a good combination.


What issues is he having because i run dual EVE clients on vista with no issue at all?

Sahwoolo Etoophie


ISD YARR
Interstellar Services Department
Posted - 2007.06.16 10:31:00 - [23]
 

Please refer to this thread and please note that for these issues the Eve Technology forum is the appropriate place. *click*


 

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