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zwerg
Macabre Votum
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2007.06.15 14:35:00 - [241]
 

Originally by: Flashh Gorden
Edited by: Flashh Gorden on 15/06/2007 14:32:24
Like him or loath him. Ginger was a charachter. The game needs charachters, even if its only to whine about or flame on the boards. When I first started playing EvE years ago there were threads about him and 3 years later its the same.
I think its a sad way to lose a charchter like this.

Over the years I have played many online games involving pvp, I have lost count of the times I have been threatened by angry people you have just killed online or caused severe time loss too.
While I have found it amusing at times to have people ranting and raving at me,I also remember the amount of times that I myself have been boiling over inside.

Never in a million years has it crossed my mind to try and get somone who lets face it is in a state most of us have all been in once or twice banned.

Smack talk threats and verbal abuse ect are present in most online games while I dont indulge or condone it some smack I have seen in local channels is quite amusing.
Bottom line is, what happens in game happens you scamed him, he threatened you big deal. Dont go crying to f**king GMs about it.

Your like some pathetic school kid grassing people up.


Amen YARRRR!!


Faekurias
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2007.06.15 14:36:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: Flashh Gorden


Your like some pathetic school kid grassing people up.


We already knew this was the name of their game ^^

Dionisius
Gallente
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2007.06.15 14:37:00 - [243]
 

Originally by: Cadela Fria
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 15/06/2007 14:11:37
Originally by: Dionisius

Let me answer this to you in the most clear way possible.

I have absolutely no respect for people that scam others or smack, and even less than nothing for people that act, write or think that they are "more" than others, the last part includes you.



Being more then Ginger magician ain't that hard.
Besides, thats your personal problem, how does that really concern anyone but you?

Originally by: Dionisius

See i don't care much on how cool someone appears, or the direction in wich the mob is runing, and i don't feed my ego like tiller, miz and ginger, even you, based on other peoples ass kissing.

Be that in foruns or in game, i play the way i like it and give my opinions when and wherever i want.



I thought you said you didn't like people with a "holier then thou" attitude. Ohhh I get it, you hate yourself! You're one of them thar emo people. Tsk tsk tsk..you'll grow out of it one day, you'll see.

Originally by: Dionisius

In this case i think that they BOTH deserve a ban, because what you fail to see is that Ginger is just a nutcase that vented off his agression by making an idle threat, the point is that others may not got it?



Miz didn't break any rules, so why should he be banned?
Ginger Magician broke the rules, AGAIN, and got punished accordingly - What part of that eludes you?
There's no excuse for it, no exception, no circumstantial consideration for someone's personality. If your personality is such that you end up breaking the rules, you get punished accordingly.

Originally by: Dionisius

Baning both would show that the behaviour shown by either part is not tolerated has there is a severe lack of respect for other gamers.



If you want to start punishing people for your definition of "Lack of respect for other gamers", then there'd be a lot of banned people right now. Including yourself for the comments you made against DarkElf - Sound like a good idea? I didn't think so, now please start thinking before posting.

Originally by: Dionisius

So excuse me if i stand by what i think is right, if i don't kiss your ass like many, or agree with tiller and others just because its funny and gives me a cool apearance in the foruns, and happen to think more than 2 minutes ahead in the future.



Excuse us for not being as supreme as you, oh mighty Dionisius - Wait didn't we already talking about the whole "being superior" thing was something you hated with a passion?.
You're making yourself look stupid, and I don't understand why.
EDIT: Oh lol, sorry what was that about thinking ahead more then 2 minutes? I didn't quite catch that Laughing

Originally by: Dionisius

Perhaps taunting isn't the right word to describe the situation but you got my point and if you have any problem with my reply then boohoo, i couldn't care less.


Playing a tough guy now, well that certainly helps your credibility. Oh wait..it doesn't!
No one got your point and no matter how often you repeat yourself, nobody will. Rules are rules are rules.


Antiguity doesn't give you the right to scorn other players and feed your own ego, DarkElf does this every now and then, i was just making clear that i don't care what he thinks on that matter, i don't feed egos, not his, certainly not yours and i don't take lessons from someone that also robbed its own corp and came to the foruns posting some sorry excuse.

Strangely enough you feel offended by something that doesn't concern you, again you fail to think more than 2 minutes ahead, you just couldn't keep this pile of rubbish to yourself and had to post your support towards your little friend to look cool.
Again if DE feels offended, F12, if you feel offended F12 again and don't make me waste my time with reading useless replys.


Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.06.15 14:37:00 - [244]
 

Originally by: Flashh Gorden


Never in a million years has it crossed my mind to try and get somone who lets face it is in a state most of us have all been in once or twice banned.

Smack talk threats and verbal abuse ect are present in most online games while I dont indulge or condone it some smack I have seen in local channels is quite amusing.
Bottom line is, what happens in game happens you scamed him, he threatened you big deal. Dont go crying to f**king GMs about it.

Your like some pathetic school kid grassing people up.


Speak for yourself. I've played EVE for 3 years and haven't been banned ever.
The rules are the rules are the rule. No excuse for that - If you can't adhere to the rules, you deserve to be punished.

Velsharoon
Gallente
Arcane Velshologies
Posted - 2007.06.15 14:39:00 - [245]
 

Someone petition cromar to be banned to. It would amuse me but im to lazy to do it myself.

hUssmann
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.06.15 14:42:00 - [246]
 

So what's happening to your stuff?

Kehmor
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.15 14:45:00 - [247]
 

I haven't read the 8 pages, but im suprised that in the first few no tin foil hats came out. Weren't there rumours about Miz being a GM?

Traxio Nacho
Dark Knights of Deneb
Posted - 2007.06.15 14:45:00 - [248]
 

Originally by: Paniq
I was told I should come to this thread to buy motherships?Very Happy

Can't but admire how it resembles poetry. Very bad poetry, but still.


Don't trust this man to get you a cape hes a scammer Shocked

Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.06.15 14:49:00 - [249]
 

Originally by: Dionisius


Antiguity doesn't give you the right to scorn other players and feed your own ego, DarkElf does this every now and then, i was just making clear that i don't care what he thinks on that matter, i don't feed egos, not his, certainly not yours and i don't take lessons from someone that also robbed its own corp and came to the foruns posting some sorry excuse.

Strangely enough you feel offended by something that doesn't concern you, again you fail to think more than 2 minutes ahead, you just couldn't keep this pile of rubbish to yourself and had to post your support towards your little friend to look cool.
Again if DE feels offended, F12, if you feel offended F12 again and don't make me waste my time with reading useless replys.




I didn't make an excuse for my actions - Not then, and not now, so maybe you should do yourself a favor of actually take lessons from someone like me Wink

Offended? The only thing you have offended is common sense. No, I'm afraid the only thing you have managed to do to me, is make me laugh.
As for "not being able to keep this pile of rubbish to myself and supporting my little friend DE". Heres a little newsflash for you - I barely even know DE, much less care about what he says or does, thats entirely up to him.

I post on behalf of myself and nobody else. I post because I want to and because I have an opinion based on an observation of your hypocrisy combined with the factual knowledge that make up the EVE rules.
Now what was it again about you talking about thinking "2 minutes ahead" ? Rolling Eyes

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2007.06.15 14:50:00 - [250]
 

Originally by: Purgatori
miz you should work for a newspaper mate.. you seem to be able to make up quite believable bs on the spot mate

GMs don't act on what you tell them, they act on facts. In this case, they will have read all the chat logs in the case and ruled based on that, NOT based on what Miz said. So essentially, your point is irrelevant unless the GMs aren't doing their job properly. I do know that some GMs DON'T do their job properly and we could indeed see Ginger Magician back in game having evaded a second permanant ban.

I personally hope that he stays banned because the game is a lot better off without him but let's not kid ourselves that a ban of one of his accounts will get rid of him. He'll stick around with his alt Crom'ar and will probably buy a new capital character anyway. The issue I have is whether or not a ban issued against someone for harassment and abuse in breach of the EULA should be levied against the account that the person was on when they committed the act or against the person themselves, thus extending to his alt accounts and forbiding him from starting new ones.

Essentially, I'm wondering if being banned for repeated verbal abuse in-game means that he personally isn't allowed to play eve any more. I've filed a petition to ask GMs what the answer is but don't expect a timely response.

Dionisius
Gallente
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2007.06.15 14:55:00 - [251]
 

Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Dionisius


Antiguity doesn't give you the right to scorn other players and feed your own ego, DarkElf does this every now and then, i was just making clear that i don't care what he thinks on that matter, i don't feed egos, not his, certainly not yours and i don't take lessons from someone that also robbed its own corp and came to the foruns posting some sorry excuse.

Strangely enough you feel offended by something that doesn't concern you, again you fail to think more than 2 minutes ahead, you just couldn't keep this pile of rubbish to yourself and had to post your support towards your little friend to look cool.
Again if DE feels offended, F12, if you feel offended F12 again and don't make me waste my time with reading useless replys.




I didn't make an excuse for my actions - Not then, and not now, so maybe you should do yourself a favor of actually take lessons from someone like me Wink

Offended? The only thing you have offended is common sense. No, I'm afraid the only thing you have managed to do to me, is make me laugh.
As for "not being able to keep this pile of rubbish to myself and supporting my little friend DE". Heres a little newsflash for you - I barely even know DE, much less care about what he says or does, thats entirely up to him.

I post on behalf of myself and nobody else. I post because I want to and because I have an opinion based on an observation of your hypocrisy combined with the factual knowledge that make up the EVE rules.
Now what was it again about you talking about thinking "2 minutes ahead" ? Rolling Eyes


Strange thing to come in defense of someone you don't know and yet you acuse me off breaking the rules and offending someone.Rolling Eyes

I am no hipocrit nor do i throw bs at other peoples faces excusing one wrong doing with another.
And certainly i didn't get into this thread waving the
victim or authority flag.

Makes me sick the fact that some people enter here and actually excuse the actions of one player in detriment of another just because most people hold a biased opinion him.


Faekurias
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:01:00 - [252]
 

Can you two just break it off? Its not relevant nor interesting to others Rolling Eyes

Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:02:00 - [253]
 

Edited by: Cadela Fria on 15/06/2007 15:09:25
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 15/06/2007 15:01:52
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Dionisius


Antiguity doesn't give you the right to scorn other players and feed your own ego, DarkElf does this every now and then, i was just making clear that i don't care what he thinks on that matter, i don't feed egos, not his, certainly not yours and i don't take lessons from someone that also robbed its own corp and came to the foruns posting some sorry excuse.

Strangely enough you feel offended by something that doesn't concern you, again you fail to think more than 2 minutes ahead, you just couldn't keep this pile of rubbish to yourself and had to post your support towards your little friend to look cool.
Again if DE feels offended, F12, if you feel offended F12 again and don't make me waste my time with reading useless replys.




I didn't make an excuse for my actions - Not then, and not now, so maybe you should do yourself a favor of actually take lessons from someone like me Wink

Offended? The only thing you have offended is common sense. No, I'm afraid the only thing you have managed to do to me, is make me laugh.
As for "not being able to keep this pile of rubbish to myself and supporting my little friend DE". Heres a little newsflash for you - I barely even know DE, much less care about what he says or does, thats entirely up to him.

I post on behalf of myself and nobody else. I post because I want to and because I have an opinion based on an observation of your hypocrisy combined with the factual knowledge that make up the EVE rules.
Now what was it again about you talking about thinking "2 minutes ahead" ? Rolling Eyes


Strange thing to come in defense of someone you don't know and yet you acuse me off breaking the rules and offending someone.Rolling Eyes

I am no hipocrit nor do i throw bs at other peoples faces excusing one wrong doing with another.
And certainly i didn't get into this thread waving the
victim or authority flag.

Makes me sick the fact that some people enter here and actually excuse the actions of one player in detriment of another just because most people hold a biased opinion him.




LOL WHAT???

This is a waste of time, and it's derailing the thread, so one last time:

I never accused you of breaking the rules, learn2read ftw? dingbat.
I don't care who a person is, if I think someone is wrong about what they're saying, I will say so, no matter who I might be defending, sorry bub.

And yes, you ARE a hypocrite, you claim you hate people who think they are "over" someone else - Yet here you are, like I pointed out in every example in my previous post, spouting on how holy you are and how bad they are - THAT is hypocrisy. If you still don't get it, go look it up.

You came in here saying they should both be banned, that to me sounds like an attempt at authority.

I have made no excuses on anyone's behalf, not yours, not DE's, not anyone. Proof or stfu.
You really should learn to read and think before you post.
EDIT The only time I made an "excuse" was a sarcastic remark not for anyone specifically. So just give up trying to use that.

NOW!

Back to topic, GM is gone, and good riddance.

Faekurias
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:05:00 - [254]
 

*snip* Images aren't allowed to be posted in Crime and Punishment, thanks. -Rauth Kivaro([email protected])

DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:10:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: Thann Starlinbow
Originally by: DarkElf


I'm in til 8pm. hoping it will entertain until then Very Happy


DE





I think that might be stretching it, DE. Even Ginger threads.. although this one is better than most.. have their amusement factor limit. Cool

But if you get bored, we can play a rousing game of EVE: Forum Warriors, like the guys over in COAD!

Pew pew, my Sleipnir strikes your e-peen for OMGWTFBBQ damage! Laughing



Laughing Deal


DE



Clara Mismer
Minmatar
Gulfonodi Industries
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:13:00 - [256]
 

Originally by: Jarrell
"Robbed, Podded, betrayed, and perma banned."

Is that frakin' right! I think people need to put their unbridled jealousy of Ginger aside and instead look at the facts of this particular case. Everyone knows that the Kleptos have a serious axe to grind with him. Mercy needs to be practicied here for an individual who has put four years of hardwork into the building of a character. Is it right to revel in his situation simply because so many of us have lost ships to him? Losing ships is part of the game. Ginger never scammed anyone as far as I know. Miz is the biggest scammer in the entire game. Should that be a part of gaming dynamics? There needs to be some fairplay here shown by CCP. If anyone should be punished, it should be the dishonorable scammers that make Eve more like the Eastend than anything else!Twisted Evil




Wow - huffing paint is bad for you "The more you know"

Scamming while a total pant load is permissable as long as no game dynamics are abused to do it.

Threatening people is not okay -
GM's respond to petitions -
A petition was filed and the conduct ruled - Not acceptable in this game

The options are to escalate the petition, or accept the ruleing.

Miz Cenuij
Caldari
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:13:00 - [257]
 

smacktastic thread.

Shaemell Buttleson
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:13:00 - [258]
 

No idea what happened really and TBH i don't really care.

but I have to ask this.. Why perma ban characters but not the account holder?
If someone had an account for example lets say with a builders merchant and they didn't pay up or stole from that merchant and the account was suspended or deleted do you really think that the same person would be able to open another and still use the same merchants?

I don't think so some how and if they did it would be under false pretenses if they pulled it off!


DiggerDan77
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:17:00 - [259]
 

Originally by: BaDkaRmA158Th
Edited by: BaDkaRmA158Th on 15/06/2007 13:14:20
And to think thru it all you could goto bed with a smile on your face shows what a miserable person you must be in life.


After reading this lengthy thread, I see a buttload of miserable peeps.

Clara Mismer
Minmatar
Gulfonodi Industries
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:19:00 - [260]
 

Originally by: Dionisius

The point in here is that like in real life no one likes to be scamed, played as a jackass and worst humiliated in front of a crowd, and that leads us to Miz and Gingers situation.
Miz "knew" Ginger, and knew how he would respond to this action, he added insult to injury after, reaping off 8Bil and poding ginger, then he proceeds to taunt Ginger in front of an audience ( locals of whatever system they were in ).

Any normal person push to the edge will respond in a similar faction than ginger, only problem here is that the people that provoked this weren't held acountable for their actions and worst they gloat and have a crowd of monkeys aplauding a very sad situation.

Comprende now?


The point is in real life if I was called to a scene and heard one party in a dispute threaten the life or health of the other party - the one making the threat goes to jail or the mental ward.

Yes I agree that people can be provoked IF THEY CHOOSE TO BE, yes it's an old saying but it takes two to tango. Just because he was alledgedlly being called names or taunted is not a reason to threaten another person in real life over a game issue.

no matter how cool of a game it is - it is still just a game, mabey a good long session out in the sun or doing other things will be good for the O.P..

Arch'Angel
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:22:00 - [261]
 

Edited by: Arch''Angel on 15/06/2007 15:22:26
:) Gl

Akhen Aton
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:24:00 - [262]
 

I can't find the suitable font size to write an appropriate LOL!
The NUMERO UNO in everything you heard/do/know in Eve Online morphed into a forum juggler, the pathetic fool who can't hold his thoughts to himself(unplug the keyboard next time, or write what you want to say in local in a wordpad doc). Way to go, you look worse than a freshly g*ng-b*nged cheerleader.
Miz got you big time and you know this better than anyone... I give you 1/3 chance to get yourself outta this, even if as far as I've known you, I have noticed that your social/diplomatic skills are very good and you are also very experienced in bringing arguments/negotiating. But he has a strong argument against you... rl threats re-directed to family, kids etc it's heavy :)))))))
But you're a smart guy, as far as I have seen, you already started the unbanning campaign...lol it started with this Topic.
Anyway even if you get banned there's always a way to start over. You know that your corp will go bye bye much like your control over the Rancer area :) I'll send you some printscreens when I get a chance : Klepto family portrait on Miro gate in Rancer =))
Good Luck
Your truly friend, the only one actually!
Akhen
LOL

PS: Crom is Ginger, and this is not a hunch! but the nice twist is that you can't prove it even if Ginger and Crom have the same ip :) He has the argument ready for it :) So stop chasing dreams :))))))))

Plim
Gallente
Everything Financial
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:28:00 - [263]
 

LOL

Ginger was a complete simpleton. This dosen't come as a surprise.

This game should come with a disclaimer, "must have above a 90 IQ to operate".

I mean it dosen't take much to understand that you shouldn't make death threats over a computer game does it?

Justin TimberIake
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:31:00 - [264]
 

this is rather funny. especially after ginger petitioned to ban me a week ago, because apparently i was griefing him.. HAHAHA


DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:34:00 - [265]
 

Originally by: Dionisius


Strange thing to come in defense of someone you don't know and yet you acuse me off breaking the rules and offending someone.Rolling Eyes

I am no hipocrit nor do i throw bs at other peoples faces excusing one wrong doing with another.
And certainly i didn't get into this thread waving the
victim or authority flag.

Makes me sick the fact that some people enter here and actually excuse the actions of one player in detriment of another just because most people hold a biased opinion him.





WOOOOOOOO SAAAAAAAAA


DE



Thann Starlinbow
Minmatar
Failed Diplomacy
B A N E
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:41:00 - [266]
 

Originally by: DarkElf



Laughing Deal


DE





Dude, nine pages already and it's not even lunchtime yet. I think I underestimated this thread! Laughing

Now taking all bets on how many pages this thread gets to before today is over. 5m isk starting bet! I'll take 15.

Crom'ar Lev
Minmatar
OctoberSnow Corp
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:45:00 - [267]
 

As it stands Ginger is still banned and is unable to petition because he cannot access any aspect of the eve web site cause his account is banned.He has replied to the ban email sent to his email address but has not received any response so far.
If anyone has any further suggestions that would be appreciated.The chat logs of this incident have been saved and ofc it is wrong to ask for special favours for any character but I dont think many other characters in Eve would generate a 9 page and counting thread about one incident.
I feel that more then one GM needs to look at this in any event.




Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:52:00 - [268]
 

Originally by: Crom'ar Lev
If anyone has any further suggestions that would be appreciated.

World of Warcraft, maybe?

tiller
THE PILLAGE
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:59:00 - [269]
 

Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Crom'ar Lev
If anyone has any further suggestions that would be appreciated.

World of Warcraft, maybe?


hello kitty online ?

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2007.06.15 16:01:00 - [270]
 

Originally by: tiller
hello kitty online ?

God, no. Think of the children!


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