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Ealiom
EAT THE POOR
Posted - 2007.06.11 15:54:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Ealiom on 11/06/2007 16:18:11
Most of us are aware of just how bad Dell are. Other than there monitors I could never appreciate there machines. But I bet you have never truly seen how monsterously overprived there machines are.

I'm building a new machine soon so ive been reading up on as much as I can. Future trends, the progression of the new DDR3 standard vs current DDR2's - ATi and NvIDIA - Intel and AMD - OCZ and Corsair - Thermaltake and OCZ.

So with my wealth of information I settle on a build that would last me for approximately 3 years and more importantly a price for my new she-behemoth.

So for ****s and giggles I decided to check the Dell website just to see how much it would cost me to have a similar spec'd machine get the Dell name branded into it's soul.

After choosing all the various options I noticed this little nugget.
Look under memory. Do you see how much extra it would cost to increase the memory from 2Gb to 4gb?
705.00 thats approximately $1350 for our US chums.

Now if youd kindly follow this linky
You will see a set of 2Gb RAM sticks that come in at a mere fraction of the cost 68.52

Edit
Since the link doesnt seem to work search for it if you can be bothered
2Gb OCZ Platinum Series Rev2. DDR2 PC6400/800Mhz 4-4-4-12

I knew Dell were bad but over 600 more expensive than any other e-retailer. ShockedSeriouslyShocked

If I have stopped one person from buying a Dell computer with my little post of outrage then i'd consider this a success. Harken to me people
Never buy anything from these thieves in suits. Id consider your money better spent by substituting it with your toilet roll

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.11 16:02:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/06/2007 16:01:27
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I wonder how many innocent customers fell for that one...

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.11 16:17:00 - [3]
 

I must say one thing, they do have a linux box which is somewhat hippy for a mega corporation.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.11 16:21:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Lithalnas
I must say one thing, they do have a linux box which is somewhat hippy for a mega corporation.

Its because when they held a poll on what product people wanted, a Linux computer won by a massive margin because both corporations and end-users want a reliable, low-cost prebuilt PC with hardware support.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.11 18:48:00 - [5]
 

That is embarrassing.

Petition it.

...


Oh, darn. RL sucks. E-Mail them, you'd probably be surprised how fast they take it down if someone complains. Plausible deniability and all that lark.

Ealiom
EAT THE POOR
Posted - 2007.06.11 19:22:00 - [6]
 

embarrassing indeed. I tallied up the machine spec I want. How much it would cost and how much Dell sells it for. I had to take some things from the Dell machine such as the second 8800GTX but i had to add money to it as the monitor was not the same etc.

Dell: 3650
Eali: 2260

Tarquin Tarquinius
Gallente
Escorts of Eve
Posted - 2007.06.11 20:41:00 - [7]
 

All computer companies overcharge for parts. Its how they make money. They're ripping you off because most people don't know how to build a computer and they do.

Same thing happens in the auto industry. A $200 repair would cost you $40 if you bought the parts and did the job yourself.

Derovius Vaden
Posted - 2007.06.11 20:49:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius
All computer companies overcharge for parts. Its how they make money. They're ripping you off because most people don't know how to build a computer and they do.

Same thing happens in the auto industry. A $200 repair would cost you $40 if you bought the parts and did the job yourself.


Its not just computer companies, the entire Western economy is based on engineered lifetimes for components. It was our solution to combat the another depression.

The Anointed
Caldari
The White Consuls
Posted - 2007.06.11 21:30:00 - [9]
 

Lets have a name and shame with owners of Dell computers.

To start off;

Trevedian

Didnt Foyle have one as well?
Im sure there was an outcry a while back when someone opened up their brand new dell pc and found a lovely 'factory refurbished' sticker on their HDD. Pure Class, but then i guess you cant throw a computer at someone down a phone line, so they have themselves covered.

Tarquin Tarquinius
Gallente
Escorts of Eve
Posted - 2007.06.11 21:44:00 - [10]
 

I'm perfectly happy with my Dell. I could of gotten a much better computer for much cheaper if I had built it myself (like one of my friends did with me advising), but at the time I didn't know how (but I do now). They offer decent computers for the average person.

If you want to see a real piece of ****, look into Compaq. I hate those damn computers. My mom has one and its a pure crap.

Derovius Vaden
Posted - 2007.06.11 21:51:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius
I'm perfectly happy with my Dell. I could of gotten a much better computer for much cheaper if I had built it myself (like one of my friends did with me advising), but at the time I didn't know how (but I do now). They offer decent computers for the average person.

If you want to see a real piece of ****, look into Compaq. I hate those damn computers. My mom has one and its a pure crap.


Ahahahaha... you like Dells huh? I work with Dells, here in IT; they are the worst computer I've ever used. We had 30 SX270's have some capacitors pop on them, and we spent the next 6 months figuring out which were the faulty ones and which survived.

**** Dell, and up yours. Neutral

Camilo Cienfuegos
Earned In Blood
Posted - 2007.06.11 22:32:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Camilo Cienfuegos on 11/06/2007 22:33:21
Edited by: Camilo Cienfuegos on 11/06/2007 22:31:30
Dell are somewhat rip-off merchants - but less so on their prebuilds than on their support. Approximately 2 years ago I was working in an office kitted out completely with Dell dekstops (they were purchased as part of a cut-price deal when the business was filling it's racks). Nothing fancy: All P4 2.4's, 512Mb DDR, the usual lark. On one of these machines, the CPU fan died (thank god it was a P4 and not one of that generation of AMD) and so we brought it round to the bench to replace. Low and behold, the cheeky buggers had changed the standard two pin fan connector by inserting a central "dummy" pin... Upon contacting Dell, we (with a business account, I might add) were quoted 65.000(!!!) for an 80mm ball bearing fan with the "Dell" connector. It's like Elonex all over again! Rolling Eyes

So yeah... if you thought a 100% markup on RAM was bad, how about a 1000% markup on a fan!

Quote:
I'm perfectly happy with my Dell. I could of gotten a much better computer for much cheaper if I had built it myself (like one of my friends did with me advising), but at the time I didn't know how (but I do now). They offer decent computers for the average person.

If you want to see a real piece of ****, look into Compaq. I hate those damn computers. My mom has one and its a pure crap.



Any mass producer will always try to keep their costs as low as possible. Stop buying ****, and give your local computer retailer the business. Like with cars, you're always best to go with the indie tech! Cool

Ealiom
EAT THE POOR
Posted - 2007.06.11 23:06:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos
So yeah... if you thought a 100% markup on RAM was bad, how about a 1000% markup on a fan!


??100%?? That would still have been day light robbery but it would not warrant my disgust.

Dell RAM 700
e-retailer RAM 65

over 1000% of what a smaller company is offering.

And im pretty certain the RAM that Dell offers is somewhat, how can i say this ******* ****

Im used to companies like Dell building these bog standard machines and selling them on at a premium. But at over x10 times the cost. Thieves!

I suspect the number is not large but I can bet some people have actually bought those systems online. Dell have diddled them out of over 600 on the RAM alone!!! Its sickening.

It wouldn't bother me so much if they were selling fruit or coca cola. Everyone knows the price they should be paying for those everyday items. No one looks at a can of coke and thinks wow 6 for this okay.
They can get away with it because they pray on peoples ignorance. There are lots of words for people like that.

Thank the stars for teen rated forums. Very Happy

Camilo Cienfuegos
Earned In Blood
Posted - 2007.06.11 23:54:00 - [14]
 

Quote:
over 1000% of what a smaller company is offering.


It looks like my head is stuck up my own arse today. You are right: your example of RAM was 1000%, and mine for the 80mm fan was 10,000%

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.12 02:01:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: The Anointed
Lets have a name and shame with owners of Dell computers.

To start off;

Trevedian

Didnt Foyle have one as well?
Im sure there was an outcry a while back when someone opened up their brand new dell pc and found a lovely 'factory refurbished' sticker on their HDD. Pure Class, but then i guess you cant throw a computer at someone down a phone line, so they have themselves covered.


I've got an old one lying around here, a PIII I think. I've got Linux on it atm, so it's not running awful. Its a bugger to upgrade with anything though- everything except the RAM and cards is pretty much welded in to place Shocked

jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2007.06.12 11:44:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius
I'm perfectly happy with my Dell. I could of gotten a much better computer for much cheaper if I had built it myself (like one of my friends did with me advising), but at the time I didn't know how (but I do now). They offer decent computers for the average person.

If you want to see a real piece of ****, look into Compaq. I hate those damn computers. My mom has one and its a pure crap.


Ahahahaha... you like Dells huh? I work with Dells, here in IT; they are the worst computer I've ever used. We had 30 SX270's have some capacitors pop on them, and we spent the next 6 months figuring out which were the faulty ones and which survived.

**** Dell, and up yours. Neutral


He He it took us a while to figure those "thermal Event" errors luckly ours were all still under warranty at the time .We had a dell engineer at office for almost 2 days changing the mainboards .. he he he .wasnt a happy bunney .I can see now why they are getting rid of 7 thousand workers .

Wilhelm Beck
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.06.12 15:32:00 - [17]
 

I was of the impression that dell had dropped hardware support for Linux machines as well as software support.Linky

However If you go windows Dell support is pretty good. Particularly if you buy complete care. And yes tehy will pass that price on to you via the cost of hardware.

jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2007.06.12 17:50:00 - [18]
 

dont get me wrong ..imo Dell support are pretty topnotch .and thier drivers website has got me outta a few sticky situations .. thier telephone support is a bit sucky mind ...but then im biased cos i work for HP

Derran
Minmatar
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.06.12 18:24:00 - [19]
 

I own a Dell laptop. Sure I could have gotten a similiar one from another company like Sager at a cheaper price but I couldn't accidentally drop it or spill something on it and expect to get it fixed. Dell has that kind of warranty.

Shalia Ripper
Caldari
The Elevens
Posted - 2007.06.12 18:55:00 - [20]
 

Now you all know why this man is smiling.

Ealiom
EAT THE POOR
Posted - 2007.06.12 22:30:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Ealiom on 12/06/2007 22:29:03
Originally by: Shalia Ripper
Now you all know why this man is smiling.


Because he is on target for completing his most evil and grisly task of harvesting 100million user souls. The Devil himself quakes at the prospect of his ascension. All the millions of dollars he receives while stealing our souls is just a pleasant bonus to him.

I'd love to have a chat with that man.

Mimiru
Gallente
Dynaverse Corporation
Vertigo Coalition
Posted - 2007.06.13 02:41:00 - [22]
 

Quote:
ny mass producer will always try to keep their costs as low as possible. Stop buying ****, and give your local computer retailer the business.


Im fairly sure my local computer retailer is run by the russian mafia. its great. everything is dirt cheap, and nothing comes with the original stickers, and only half of it comes in original packaging.

Zeonos
Amarr
Griffin Industries Ltd
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
Posted - 2007.06.13 10:29:00 - [23]
 

my school have 50 or so dell computers. "taking a education as web programmer"... and pretty much everyday one or two comps need to be changed, and sent down to the IT depardment for repairs and reinstalls.. they are slow, and just sucks :(

Bosie
THE C0RP
Posted - 2007.06.13 10:51:00 - [24]
 

Dell where I work and they suck real bad, XP on them with 256mb of RAM. I need Outlook and Excel open all the time to do my job and the machine takes around 20 minutes to boot due to all the network security crap that is on it (Government computer networks suck).

How can they claim it's built for XP with only 256mb of RAM!

Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
Posted - 2007.06.13 11:32:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Barbarellas Daughter on 13/06/2007 11:33:25
looks like a typo, should be 70.5 instead of 705 Very Happy

edit: to all Dell haters, what company do you recommend to buy a out-of-the-box comp?

Ifni
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.13 12:45:00 - [26]
 

I have a Dell laptop. Does the job and saved me the effort of shopping around, even though I know I could have gotten it cheaper.

Zeonos
Amarr
Griffin Industries Ltd
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
Posted - 2007.06.13 12:57:00 - [27]
 

maybe something like http://www.xicomputer.com
or one of the other out there. guess each country have a shop that can delever computers to a company..

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.13 13:15:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter
looks like a typo, should be 70.5 instead of 705 Very Happy

edit: to all Dell haters, what company do you recommend to buy a out-of-the-box comp?

Used to recommend Monarch Computer, but they went out of business for not charging enough Laughing

DigitalStorm seems to make good gaming machines for very reasonable prices though there must be better out there.

Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.06.13 16:27:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Janu Hull on 13/06/2007 16:28:29
I'll be shot for this, but screw it. My current rig is an out of the box Gateway with nothing more than additional RAM and an upgraded soundcard and gfx card.

No trouble at all, and runs sweet. P4 2.93GHz (factory overclock). I stuck 2.25 GB of RAM in it, a SoundBlaster SB Live! card, and I had to get a PCI-E ATI x1600 Pro 512MB card the night I bought it (all my old cards are AGP).

The best way to get your money's worth out of a major manufacturer is to buy the baseline model without all the bells and whistles, and install them yourself.

The only Dell component on my current machine is the 20" widescreen LCD monitor. An absolute bargain at $400 when I bought it through the architectural firm I work for.

The tower set me back $700, the card was another $300, and the RAM I upgraded over time. 2x 512MB, 1x 1GB, and a 256MB stick.

smashsmash
Posted - 2007.06.13 17:43:00 - [30]
 

everyone that has ever worked at dell hates dell. it is so stressful. the psychiatric hospital here where dell HQ is usually has a few dell employees recovering from stressed induced anxiety throughout the year. michael dell is a real hard ass.


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