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Seth Enkar
Gallente
High Guard Argosy
Rising Sun Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.08 07:25:00 - [391]
 

Originally by: Kuseka Adama
Originally by: Seth Enkar

I completely agree with most of that (i'm kakshi by the way, my default character setting was messed up), which is why i suggested that the alliances specifically be barred from having representatives. The logistics of sending THAT many people to iceland on a regular basis MUST be considered. 9 is a good number. they should all be duly elected representatives of the player base, NOT of the alliances.


I cant agree completely. The alliances have players too. The fact is we are looking at forming one ourselves. Nothing is set in stone yet but we would then be among the 'not allowed' even if we are small. The problem i have with this is making sure everyone is fairly elected. I would set it up like this:

4 reps MUST come from non aligned corps: (THEY COULD NOT BE NPC CORPS) 4 reps MUST come from alliances. Two codicils You must of been part of a non aligned corp for...call it 6 months before the vote is called. THE CORP MUST ALSO OF BEEN NON ALIGNED FOR THAT AMOUNT OF TIME! (this refers to nominations) The same would work for alliances. Everyone could vote but not everyone could be nominated. But each faction would then vote for its own candidates Bob would be excluded from nominations for VERY obvious reasons. Though they should be allowed to vote The same circumstances could well apply to goon swarm or any alliance above 2500 really. This then leaves a voting base (based on numbers) that honestly could be swayed. the 9th and final slot i would put up to a FULL voting of the eve playerbase. About the best way you could do it imo.


I just can't think of a way of making it fair that DOESN'T involve excluding alliances. I mean, think about it...

The problem with your system is that it can be abused. Alliance gets someone outside of it's ranks to run, then it tells all it's people to vote for that person. That gives their candidate of choice an unfair advantage over the others. There are hundreds of thousands of players of EVE Online, Of those hundreds of thousands, maybe only half would be good for a spot on this oversight committee...that means that you've got to pick 9 people from a pool of a hundred thousand or so...

It just gives regular players who would be really good for the job less chance of actually getting it.

Seth Enkar
Gallente
High Guard Argosy
Rising Sun Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.08 07:27:00 - [392]
 

Originally by: Sartaron
RL persons should be elected. Not "Characters".
It is about auditing a company and its processes.
Customers elect auditors.



In the end, that's what's going on here. Real people being elected to audit a real company staffed by other real people. This isn't a game mechanic man, this is a serious thing.

Taikun Brunel
Gallente
Jovoso
Teldar Paper
Posted - 2007.06.08 07:33:00 - [393]
 

Originally by: Sinder Ohm
Originally by: Taikun Brunel
See above for definition of a kool-aid drinker.


Someone got out of the bed on wrong side of the bed?Rolling Eyes

both you posts have been cynical looks like you will never be satisfied, if you dont like it here stf off!!


So voices of disagreement are not welcome here. To that I say you can take your own advice.

I believe some over eager marking intern got on the blower with another intern at the NY Times with a 'we talked about this over lunch' story.

CCP will implement this at their own peril. Just remember it is US who pay each month who is going to pay for 9 losers in these forums for free trips to Iceland a few times a year.

I would prefer they funneled that cash into fixing long outstanding issues with the game rather than junkets for suckups.

Don't like my point of view Sinder Ohm? Mlow be.


Vasili Z
Cosmic Odyssey
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.06.08 07:37:00 - [394]
 

This is the stupidest idea any player base for any game has ever thought up.

You people should be embarrassed for taking this so far.

Miz Cenuij
Caldari
Posted - 2007.06.08 07:40:00 - [395]
 

Ive always trusted CCP.

After all they gave me my Nyx.

Oh.... wait, bugger.

VOTE FOR ME !

LOLZOR.

Rock Raper
Posted - 2007.06.08 07:43:00 - [396]
 

Edited by: Rock ****r on 08/06/2007 07:50:37
Originally by: Seth Enkar
Edited by: Seth Enkar on 08/06/2007 06:13:20
Edited by: Seth Enkar on 08/06/2007 06:12:07
Elections? Oversight Committee? What a crock of ****. I agree it's a good idea, but there's NO way that the representatives are going to be truly representative of everyone in eve unless certain safe-guards are put in place. hell, i'd go so far as to say that given the sheer SIZE of the voting block that BoB, Goonswarm, and the other big alliances control, most, if not all of these "Oversight Representatives" will be chosen by these big alliances. i personally think the big alliances should be barred from having any of their people anywhere near this. This way, it's guaranteed that you get a committee of the people, for the people. Like most everyone else in this thread, i'd love like hell to get nominated.

EDIT: What's really funny is that spelling out safe-guards as one word with no dash causes the F, E, and G to be starred out..what's up with that?


Problem with this idea is that they just make alts or make new accounts for alts and then they have the ability to vote just like that idea werent in place :(

But as far as the corp/noncorp voting idea they could do kinda what they kinda do in the Electorate College in the USes voting system... whereas population defines the number of votes you get total... That way high population states are valuable in the overall scheme, but several little states can override the one large state...

Say corps with 2000 members get 50 votes, 1500 member corps get 45 etc (mind you the numbers are completely arbitrary).

Ya... Im posting as my alt as my default character thingy is messed up too :p


Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.06.08 08:02:00 - [397]
 

O.k., everybody take off your game clothes, THEY ARE NOT SENDING YOUR ALT TO ICELAND. They will send REAL, LIVE, BREATHING PEOPLE to Iceland. These people will likely gain no super secret secrets, and EVEN if they WERE part of one alliance or the other, their single job is to MAKE SURE CCP IS ON THE UP AND UP. They don't get to say "do this" or "don't do that". They are simply goin to review CCP's handling of issues like petitions, see how the operations run, and report their findings to us the players.

This means they will see lonely men and women who are spending far too many hours in front of monitors staring at codes that many will not understand. They will see some poor room of souls who are the petition department, who's sole job is to handle the whines of 200K players on a daily basis. If they are EXTREMELY lucky, they may see some of the R&D department for future releases, but IF they are aloud in to such a department, it WILL be accompanied by some form of gag order.

In honesty, i think the group should contain at least one of each of the following: One Carebear, a guy who has 0 interest in the affairs of 0.0 space. One Northern Coalition Member. One Southern Coalition Member. One Alliance Member. One NON affiliated 0.0 member, perhaps from the drone regions, or in general, somebody who has little vested interest in the war in its current state. That should be the bare minimum, perhaps 2 of each of those guys/girls would do best.

Also, in all fairness, if they actually want to present the face of honesty, these people should never make the trip more than twice. The members should be regularly changed out, to avoid stagnation, or any claims of corruption in the group.

Lets all put away our tinfoil hat for a bit and remember that they are observers only, and will have no real say in the events of the game. So long as their makeup is diverse, i will be satisfied with their reports.

Ron White
Posted - 2007.06.08 08:13:00 - [398]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin
O.k., everybody take off your game clothes, THEY ARE NOT SENDING YOUR ALT TO ICELAND. They will send REAL, LIVE, BREATHING PEOPLE to Iceland. These people will likely gain no super secret secrets, and EVEN if they WERE part of one alliance or the other, their single job is to MAKE SURE CCP IS ON THE UP AND UP. They don't get to say "do this" or "don't do that". They are simply goin to review CCP's handling of issues like petitions, see how the operations run, and report their findings to us the players.

This means they will see lonely men and women who are spending far too many hours in front of monitors staring at codes that many will not understand. They will see some poor room of souls who are the petition department, who's sole job is to handle the whines of 200K players on a daily basis. If they are EXTREMELY lucky, they may see some of the R&D department for future releases, but IF they are aloud in to such a department, it WILL be accompanied by some form of gag order.

In honesty, i think the group should contain at least one of each of the following: One Carebear, a guy who has 0 interest in the affairs of 0.0 space. One Northern Coalition Member. One Southern Coalition Member. One Alliance Member. One NON affiliated 0.0 member, perhaps from the drone regions, or in general, somebody who has little vested interest in the war in its current state. That should be the bare minimum, perhaps 2 of each of those guys/girls would do best.

Also, in all fairness, if they actually want to present the face of honesty, these people should never make the trip more than twice. The members should be regularly changed out, to avoid stagnation, or any claims of corruption in the group.

Lets all put away our tinfoil hat for a bit and remember that they are observers only, and will have no real say in the events of the game. So long as their makeup is diverse, i will be satisfied with their reports.



Yay lets elect ppl that really have no idea of what they are doing so that CCP can put them in a room with 300 encyclopedias worth of hardcopy and say "have fun, you have a day."

It would be much better if they opened up to a 3rd party company but that'll never happen... cause they'd know what they are doing AND what to look for


Ridley Tree
Veto.
Posted - 2007.06.08 08:14:00 - [399]
 

They should scrap the idea, hire some real auditors and not depend on the stupidity of the general population to elect people completely unsuitable to do the job to go there. That they are willing to go this far indicates they are most likely innocent. But that they want to use player elected people to do so is... well odd. Great so we go and elect a bunch of non-computer code literate people who can be shoved around and won't know if what they're seeing is normal or not.

I mean really are these people we elect going to be given complete access to all of EVE's files and logs. Are they going to spend days pouring over them looking for problems or corruption? Come on.

DarkFenix
Caldari
Lords 0f Ruin
Posted - 2007.06.08 08:23:00 - [400]
 

In the past I've pretty much always been in favour of CCP's decisions on dealing with various matters, but not this time. This is absolutely ridiculous and I think CCP should be ashamed of bowing to player pressure like this.

What could have been done instead? I don't know, I'm no businessman. But this move is absurd and most likely ineffective. Just read the usual flamer posts on this thread. Already we're getting the usual "it's not good enough" crap, we're also now getting "why are you using OUR money to fly people to Iceland" tripe. Do CCP really think this move will change anything? GS and friends will probably just dismiss all the chosen candidates as BoB or BoB alts immediately, then disregard anything said by them.

But who do we have to blame for this crap? Who's fault is it that CCP are now having to resort to drastic and utterly insane measures? The fired ISD member, GS and friends. That's who. They've blown issues completely out of all proportion and conducted an extensive smear campaign against CCP's name. Congratulations GS, you're diverting CCP's attention and resources away from the game, perhaps your goal of ruining it for everyone will be realised after all.

Seth Enkar
Gallente
High Guard Argosy
Rising Sun Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.08 08:45:00 - [401]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin
O.k., everybody take off your game clothes, THEY ARE NOT SENDING YOUR ALT TO ICELAND. They will send REAL, LIVE, BREATHING PEOPLE to Iceland. These people will likely gain no super secret secrets, and EVEN if they WERE part of one alliance or the other, their single job is to MAKE SURE CCP IS ON THE UP AND UP. They don't get to say "do this" or "don't do that". They are simply goin to review CCP's handling of issues like petitions, see how the operations run, and report their findings to us the players.

This means they will see lonely men and women who are spending far too many hours in front of monitors staring at codes that many will not understand. They will see some poor room of souls who are the petition department, who's sole job is to handle the whines of 200K players on a daily basis. If they are EXTREMELY lucky, they may see some of the R&D department for future releases, but IF they are aloud in to such a department, it WILL be accompanied by some form of gag order.

In honesty, i think the group should contain at least one of each of the following: One Carebear, a guy who has 0 interest in the affairs of 0.0 space. One Northern Coalition Member. One Southern Coalition Member. One Alliance Member. One NON affiliated 0.0 member, perhaps from the drone regions, or in general, somebody who has little vested interest in the war in its current state. That should be the bare minimum, perhaps 2 of each of those guys/girls would do best.

Also, in all fairness, if they actually want to present the face of honesty, these people should never make the trip more than twice. The members should be regularly changed out, to avoid stagnation, or any claims of corruption in the group.

Lets all put away our tinfoil hat for a bit and remember that they are observers only, and will have no real say in the events of the game. So long as their makeup is diverse, i will be satisfied with their reports.



I don't think anyone here believes that any of these "auditors" will have a say in actual development matters. What i think the concern is is that if the members of this committee are all big alliance members, then their credibility will be nil, and the whole thing will fail, because it will automatically be assumed that they're lying. It'll be seen as nothing more than a show, put on by CCP, to hide their Evil Corruption™

I haven't totally made up my mind on the whole corruption thing...i mean, yes, IAD did an investigation, and their results are nil. The rational side of me says it's been looked into, and justice has been served, but then the skeptic in me says "what if he's full of ****, and is just blowing smoke up my ass?" so i'm still half and half on the whole subject, as i believe a lot of players are as well.

Sales Merchant
Posted - 2007.06.08 08:50:00 - [402]
 

I guess the ceo had no choce, the sillyness of the whole situation was not just threatening the future of the game but also the livlihoods of employees that have done nothing wrong and that work fair and hard for the game.

If the price of saving EVE Online is spending a few thousand dollers every quartar to fly players to iceland to audit then it's money well spent.

I still think prevention is better than cure.


Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.06.08 08:56:00 - [403]
 

Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/06/2007 09:21:42
Marketing wise a great move by Hillmar and his boys imo. If you're smeared across half the net because of later disproven allegations and want to un-smear yourself effectively, how do you go about it ?

Indeed, you think of something that's new in the MMO genre, something that'll grab some space on all those sites where a normal rebuttal gets little to no chance of attracting attention.

So, great tactic, publicity-wise.


The idea itself stinks imo. You see, first of all Eve is not a democracy. It should never become one either. The 'terror of the dumb masses' doesn't work for MMO cultures like Eve's.

Secondly, if you want to have 9 players elected you'll have to run the election by their character names. You might include some information about their RL positions, but I doubt such a thing is very usefull, as using actually verified info would probably not be possible.

Electing by character name doesn't end up in certainty about origin of said character. Next time people have something to whine about they'll say CCP rigged the elections to end up with a majority of players in the committee (say 5 of them), that are in their pocket. Hell, already people are trying to exclude characters from alliances, which by this time form about a third of the total population, and could ofc never be excluded.

All in all, I'll probably have more trust in you guys taking 5 seniro gm's or devs and letting them do it then in this community choosing 9 people out of it's midst to do it and not burying those same 9 people under heaps of abuse the first time some **** hits the fan.


Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
Posted - 2007.06.08 08:58:00 - [404]
 

So CCP and BoB got lot of publicity, oh and Goonies too ... where are the others ?

Anyway ... where can I vote for Dark Shikari ?

DeadDuck
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.08 09:08:00 - [405]
 

I really dont like the idea. Sounds great at 1st sight but when you think a bit over the subject it flaws. Why ? Because you are electing "Eve Characters". Nobody knows who are the real people behind the these characters.

Who can assure that if we elect one respectable character in EVE to be auditing CCP actions, that same character will not be bought by other person to assume control of that same character ?? Is always happening in this game.

In the end we can finishing electing the worst people to audit the game, and TBH we really dont need these audits. I believe in CCP efforts and the internal bureau that was created to deal with "strange phenomena" in the game. No need for this elections.

But hey is nice marketing Wink

Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.06.08 09:10:00 - [406]
 

Edited by: Earthan on 08/06/2007 14:01:14
the articel was impressive and the whole idea. I liked it

EDITED: After rereading i misanderstood.I tought it was a permanent postiiton for some poeple, like inernal affair but from non-ccp poeple.
If its a few peeps coming 4 times a year it does seam really pointless to me.

I mean there is no way they would know where to look even if they were genious programmers/it specialists.Seems void idea, even if impressive to the lenght of trouble CCP goes to do soemthing about it/

Astarte Nosferatu
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.06.08 09:27:00 - [407]
 

Originally by: Rod Blaine

Marketing wise a great move by Hillmar and his boys imo. If you're smeared across half the net because of later disproven allegations and want to un-smear yourself effectively, how do you go about it ?

Indeed, you think of something that's new in the MMO genre, something that'll grab some space on all those sites where a normal rebuttal gets little to no chance of attracting attention.

So, great tactic, publicity-wise.


The idea itself stinks imo. You see, first of all Eve is not a democracy. It should never become one either. The 'terror of the dumb masses' doesn't work for MMO cultures like Eve's.

Secondly, if you want to have 9 players elected you'll have to run the election by their character names. You might include some information about their RL positions, but I doubt such a thing is very usefull, as using actually verified info would probably not be possible.

Electing by character name doesn't end up in certainty about origin of said character. Next time people have something to whine about they'll say CCP rigged the elections to end up with a majority of players in the committee (say 5 of them), that are in their pocket. Hell, already people are trying to exclude characters from alliances, which by this time form about a third of the total population, and could ofc never be excluded.

All in all, I'll probably have more trust in you guys taking 5 seniro gm's or devs and letting them do it then in this community choosing 9 people out of it's midst to do it and not burying those same 9 people under heaps of abuse the first time some **** hits the fan.




You hit the nail on the head. It's great publicity, but nothing more.

NovaPod
Posted - 2007.06.08 10:17:00 - [408]
 

Some posters in this thread are really funny to actually think this has anything to do with restoring the trust (of theplayerside) in CCP or anything. You see that also how this got announced.
Its simply about presenting a reaction to their problems of their former cheating and their current (mingling with BoB over msn for infos) to the media..not to the playerbase.
And oh looky what a pr stunt we have this real-life economy in eve, this politics (more corruption) and now ´democratic´(I feel sorry for this abused word) voting of uhm..what is it actualy? Its simply that what the Award thingie normaly is.
I always wondered why the winners of this awards should pay their tickets on their own..but woops now the vote winners of this get their trip payed. Very fine for this fan-group but dont fall for this as a having any controlling effect and only a policy change made by eve can try to build any trust (no contact with customers outside of petition/official emails which are controlled by a ´real´ internal affairs(and some real punishment not this ´oh you bad dev cheating with bob-slap on the fingers` like in the past)..no joining of player-alliances/corps etc)

Sales Merchant
Posted - 2007.06.08 10:45:00 - [409]
 

Originally by: NY Times
in favor of a mighty alliance of players called Band of Brothers.


Suprising from someone who apparantly doesn't know much about EVE.

Did they manage to get anyone from Goonswarm for comment?

Lunas Feelgood
S.A.S
Posted - 2007.06.08 10:59:00 - [410]
 

I nominate myself and all my alts.

Btw do you get payd??

Caius LiviusCerso
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.08 11:32:00 - [411]
 

*snip* Trolling. -Elmo Pug

Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
Posted - 2007.06.08 11:35:00 - [412]
 

Edited by: Ponderous Thunderstroke on 08/06/2007 11:36:54
Originally by: MrTripps
Won't a committee elected by popular vote be dominated by the largest alliance(s)?


If Goonswarm & Co. doesn't pull a brilliant jiu-jitsu move and throw all their votes behind BoB and pets for the auditors, I'd be shocked. It's the perfect way to cripple the PR train before it even gets rolling, if it ends up being the BoB Audit Council.

BTW Goonies, if you do this, my price for being the first to actually be cynical enough to suggest it publicly is 1 billion ISK, or 50 Muninn's delivered to the system of my choice. Convo or evemail to setup delivery.

laotse
Gallente
shangdi
Posted - 2007.06.08 11:37:00 - [413]
 

dutch wanneer het kalf verdronken is dempt men de put Very HappyVery Happy

Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
Posted - 2007.06.08 11:40:00 - [414]
 

Originally by: Taikun Brunel
CCP will implement this at their own peril. Just remember it is US who pay each month who is going to pay for 9 losers in these forums for free trips to Iceland a few times a year.

I would prefer they funneled that cash into fixing long outstanding issues with the game rather than junkets for suckups.




I fully agree with this sentiment.

Nuala Reece
Caldari
TROJAN LEGIONS
TROJAN.
Posted - 2007.06.08 12:25:00 - [415]
 

I think the committee's an excellent idea on CCP's behalf. Personally I wasn't that fussed about the cheating for BoB as it came to light and they dealt with it. I like to think I'm smart enough to not assume the whole company's hopelessly corrupt on the back of one incident. But it's about time people started to recognise that virtual space in MMO's can't be assumed to be solely the property of the producing company where the inhabiting customers are afforded no rights. CCP own the code in the same way my landlord owns the house I live in, the fact he owns the building doesn't meant that he can do what he likes in my house because I pay him to live here and, in the same way, it should mean that CCP can't just do what they like in Eve without involving the people who bring the universe to life. If I have problems with my landlord which I can't resolve I can go to an ombudsman, and now I'll have the same opportunity in Eve.

The whole thing shows, imo, just how progressive and resiliant to corruption CCP really are. I feel really pleased to be playing a game where the developers are prepared to take that kind of step - can you imagine Blizzard or SOE, for instance, doing the same?

Horas Redwyne
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.06.08 12:51:00 - [416]
 

I thought the whole time this is just a game. Some of you guys are taking all this far too seriously. Kudos to CCP for even going so far to try to make some of you guys fell better but there is no way they can please some of you.

Take Eve-online as a game. You should really think about priorities in your life if this whole CCP - BOB story really gets on your nerves.

John McFly
Ganja Labs
Pure.
Posted - 2007.06.08 12:55:00 - [417]
 

CCP needs to just spend the money and hire an auditing agency (and some American PR gurus to sit in with every meeting to say "Nope, dont do that, you'll end up on Digg again").

Having 9 somewhat-randomly chosen players take a look at the server logs isnt going to do anything but give the appearance of oversight.

Saragael
Amarr
Sarum Guard
Posted - 2007.06.08 13:49:00 - [418]
 

To offer my 2 isk...

Whoever is handling PR for EVE should be fired. From a PR point of view a few lemmings will see this as a company that cares, for people with a functioning brain this looks like a move of desperation to get EVE free press and promote interest. It smacks of politians making laws that sound great but nothing except make you vote for them.

Let me explain why I feel this idea is USELESS. (I am using material as seen in the NYT article)

1) Election System: The election system will likely be done on the forums or through an ingame process. This means we have no real idea who we are electing to send as our represenatives. We could for all we know be voting in CCP employees and for that matter if we have trust issues it would be SIMPLE for CCP to rig the elections. Additionally we have no idea if the people we elect actually have any skills that will be useful for this type of thing.

2) If the level of community distrust was really as bad as to need this then CCP would not see it's subscription numbers still this hig, they would have lost a lot of people a long time ago. This is some of the evidence this is a PR stunt and not a real move to do something.

3) Checking on CCP: So exactly how will they check, I mean CCP will always have notice of checks about to happen and so can make alterations to hide material they do not want seen. Additionally how long do these people get so they can sort through the records of say 100K toons for a period of say 3 months? This is a do nothing idea that will not actually accomplish anything but PR.

Personally I blew off the whiners and was ignoring them. Trust for a game? Can we be REAL PLEASE? Are you enjoying the game any less? Do you feel you are getting less content? I could care less what CCP does as long as they deliver a game I enjoy and keep it running smooth with new stuff now and then to keep my interest. To give them this much leverage is a BAD move by CCP and in my opinion lowers CCP a notch in my respect for them.

Worry about the game, quite wasting time on this petty I dont get to win instantly crap and instead put this time, effort and money into making a better game.



Malachon Draco
eXceeded
Posted - 2007.06.08 14:06:00 - [419]
 

Any auditing should NOT focus on endless logs. You can't check all of it, its relatively easy to hide, and people will discredit your auditing attempts.

If you wanna do this properly, you need to focus on procedures, rules and permissions.

- How does a GM handle a petition, how does his screen look, what information does he have, what tools does he have, how does the system decide who gets what petition, what happens with conflicts of interest (i.e. random GM Joe gets a petition through the system that belongs to his best friend player Billy. How does the system work.

Etc.etc for all GM relevant procedures,

developers (who has access to tranquility, what kind of logs are kept, what tools do they have, how are DB queries handled, what logs are there),

volunteers (tools, abilities ingame), forewarning, who decides what on events (where, what, what reward etc)

etc etc. Aside from it being impossible of going through all the logs, the risk of someone altering logs could be real (depending on what procedures are used to log changes in logs). But checking what tools are there and what procedures are in place to ensure proper handling of stuff will be much more telling about how CCP functions really than a billion lines in a DB.

Komen
Gallente
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2007.06.08 14:22:00 - [420]
 

Alright, 14 pages in, what the hell, I'll chime in anyways.

1st, this is an interesting idea. In theory it could work, but it depends on A) who gets elected (and how well the general Eve populous 'trusts' their representatives), B) how much access these players will have, and whether they'll be able to look at PAST DECISIONS, which are the crux of much current distrust.

If CCP give these representatives a thorough look into such things, this ought to go a long way towards restoring faith.

My greatest fear is that most elections are simply popularity contests. If we're going to vote for people, i want to see such details as educational background, job experience, and placement within Eve - it MATTERS where these players loyalties lie. Otherwise the whole thing might as well be another whitewash.

Here's hoping for positive results.


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