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Vari
Carbide Industries
Posted - 2007.06.05 00:19:00 - [1]
 

http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php

Then just click on the spinning spiral on the right to start the explanation animation.

Mother Clanger
Viziam
Posted - 2007.06.05 00:34:00 - [2]
 

"So far so good."

Err......

Plaetean
0utbreak
Posted - 2007.06.05 00:58:00 - [3]
 

That's fascinating Surprised

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.05 01:08:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/06/2007 01:12:57

Decent, but quite simplified--it declares such concepts as quantum many-worlds theory to be just a "single dimension", when in reality such a phase space would require an unimaginably large number of dimensions to describe.

In effect it creates a new concept of "dimension" that isn't exactly an actual dimension, but rather what the author says a dimension is. For example, the "8th dimension" he describes would probably take at least 20-30 actual dimensions to represent.

Basically he's redefined "dimension" to mean "phase space of any number of dimensions necessary to describe a specific set of concepts that can vary." It works and helps visualization, but it means he's not actually describing "dimensions."

The real problem with this video is that at the end, it makes a connection to String Theory, which is a completely invalid comparison--the 10 spatial dimensions in String Theory are completely unrelated to the concepts described in the video. This is an extremely deceptive comparison to make.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.05 01:17:00 - [5]
 

Its also mind-bendingly difficult to picture. I was with him up to number 8, which is where I think he started making it up Shocked


Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.06.05 04:54:00 - [6]
 

The way Hawking explained dimensions in 'a brief history of time' seems clearer to me, as a definition of how many coordinated you'd need to know to pinpoint a location in a given x-dimensional space..

RedClaws
Amarr
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.06.05 07:44:00 - [7]
 

note that this of course is a theory and probably quite far from how the universe and all that is build up.

Ifni
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.05 09:42:00 - [8]
 

The site seems nicely designed to convey its own 10 dimensional theories. However, it's going to be inherently tricky to convey since he's using a 2d medium to convey multiple dimensions.

Being 3d beings, we can fundamentally understand the representations of 3d objects to a 2d medium, however, certain flaws become evident when the number of dimensions shown increases; simply the analogies used to express the dimensions are simply that. Analogies.

Without being able to visualise and interact with 10 dimensions in the same fashion as we do with the standard 3, there will always be faults with this method of teaching.

bloomich
Caldari
In Siders
Posted - 2007.06.05 10:55:00 - [9]
 

Of course, this is all baised on the assumption that Gravity theory is correct. If it turns out that, for example, gravity is just the rate of uniform molecule expaction (i.e the book does not fall to the ground, the ground rises to the book due to everything expanding) then all this ten dimension stuff becomes nonsense. But then again, such theories are nonsence, so thats science for today. Laughing

Mr Jay
Amarr
Mafia Redux
Posted - 2007.06.05 18:47:00 - [10]
 

I fell asleep at stage 2.

Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
Posted - 2007.06.05 21:42:00 - [11]
 

God his voice is annoying

Ashdh
Amarr
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.06 09:34:00 - [12]
 

Dimensions 8 and 9 make no sense. As soon as infinity is brought into such a model surely by its very presence there is a jump to the 10th dimension, ridding us of the 8th and 9th?

Also, refering to ifni's point, would you say then that there are flaws with the teachings, if real understanding is gained of all dimensions , when expressed in analogies less than 3d? Without trying to be arrogant, surely then you come across inherant issues with a number of the dimensions rather than the problems of teaching/comprehension of actuality and the context of meaning due to our 3d existence and current understanding of such things through maths?

smashsmash
Posted - 2007.06.06 09:53:00 - [13]
 

flatlanders give me nightmares... or should i say flatmares.

Skuld OdinsDottir
Posted - 2007.06.08 21:19:00 - [14]
 

i don't understand it :-( i got lost at the 3rd dimesnion with something with folds :-(

l3lind Man
Caldari
Posted - 2007.06.09 00:35:00 - [15]
 

definitely the biggest load of crap I have ever taken in such a short amount of time. that was lulz. Laughing

Mr Friendly
The Lost and The Damned
Posted - 2007.06.10 15:15:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Mr Friendly on 10/06/2007 15:16:34
Unfortunately, any such explanations fall prey to the 'analogy problem'. 'It's like' means 'I'm talking out of my ass for you r benefit'... sadly unless you understand the fundamental mathematics, it's all gobbledogooo***ze.

Pity 99.9999% of us; we're too stupid to get it at all.

Fun stuff, though Very Happy

I for one welcome our new 10-dimensional overlords! Bounded infinities ftw!!!

Nekuva
The SMITE Brotherhood
Posted - 2007.06.10 15:47:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: l3lind Man
definitely the biggest load of crap I have ever taken in such a short amount of time. that was lulz. Laughing


Elaborate?

das licht
Gallente
Echtzeit AG
Posted - 2007.06.10 15:59:00 - [18]
 

Did not follow the link to watch it.
All I can say is that a multi dimensional thing is an awesome thing to have. Why? Because it is good for you. Really!

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.10 16:34:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Nekuva
Originally by: l3lind Man
definitely the biggest load of crap I have ever taken in such a short amount of time. that was lulz. Laughing


Elaborate?

See my post at the top of the thread.

Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
Posted - 2007.06.10 17:07:00 - [20]
 

I can follow what he's trying to explain but how exactly does one go about trying to prove this sort of stuff anyways after you review research and come to these theories? In this scenario wouldn't you have to like...prove the dimension one at a time to exist...and then...uhhh...at some point (if you got that far) you'd have to prove the multiple infinities...which is as he says different beginnings which aren't included in the other infinities (infinity is probably a bad word to use, since it doesn't really encompass all the possibilities, it just includes all possibilities for x starting method/point in this).

Idea is cool and I follow it just not more I can say about it.

I still think space whales are more important the player base.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.10 17:10:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Mr Friendly
Edited by: Mr Friendly on 10/06/2007 15:16:34
Unfortunately, any such explanations fall prey to the 'analogy problem'. 'It's like' means 'I'm talking out of my ass for you r benefit'... sadly unless you understand the fundamental mathematics, it's all gobbledogooo***ze.

Pity 99.9999% of us; we're too stupid to get it at all.

Fun stuff, though Very Happy

I for one welcome our new 10-dimensional overlords! Bounded infinities ftw!!!


Lols at "***" being censored Laughing

Constantine Arcanum
Bad Company DBD
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2007.06.10 19:39:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: l3lind Man
definitely the biggest load of crap I have ever taken in such a short amount of time. that was lulz. Laughing


can you please explain why? instead of saying something smug and trying to look clever?

sorry m8 i'm not usually like that but it wound me up.

Pehova Mindtriq
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.06.10 20:46:00 - [23]
 

wtf is 3d?Confused

Krexus
Amarr
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2007.06.10 21:44:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Krexus on 10/06/2007 21:44:01
so ... if you are a 'flatlander' there would be no fat people? .....

oh wait no, mario is d2 and he's tubby.

i might visit them when i go to d2 land...

Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2007.06.10 22:54:00 - [25]
 

I don't think that 8th dimension made any sense. They treat starting point of infinity as an absolute beginning with nothing before it, which is not possible due to the law of conservation of energy. If you we go with the big bang, then there would have to be a universe before it that collapsed into an object that than exploded.

So really, it ends with the 7th dimension as they describe it. Just an infinite number of scenarios without beginning or end.

Vari
Carbide Industries
Posted - 2007.06.10 23:43:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Tecam Hund
I don't think that 8th dimension made any sense. They treat starting point of infinity as an absolute beginning with nothing before it, which is not possible due to the law of conservation of energy. If you we go with the big bang, then there would have to be a universe before it that collapsed into an object that than exploded.
Right man doood I TOTTTALY foolow what you're sayin mannn. I may not tomorrow man, dood, I understand reallly.


Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2007.06.10 23:52:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Tecam Hund on 10/06/2007 23:52:07
Originally by: Vari
Originally by: Tecam Hund
I don't think that 8th dimension made any sense. They treat starting point of infinity as an absolute beginning with nothing before it, which is not possible due to the law of conservation of energy. If you we go with the big bang, then there would have to be a universe before it that collapsed into an object that than exploded.
Right man doood I TOTTTALY foolow what you're sayin mannn. I may not tomorrow man, dood, I understand reallly.




Laughing Indeed. There is a typo where I was trying to come up with a thought dammit. It should read "If we would go with the big bang theory, then...".

What I meant is that number of different possible beginnings for infinite number of different infinities is impossible. If we start with some random beginning and then take into account all possibilities they will loop back onto what we started with at some point or another; or any possibility can be a beginning of another infinite number of possibilities.

In short there is only one "number of infinite possibilities". That's why his explanation of 8th and 9th dimensions seem to be completely made up to me.

Dan Grobag
Caldari
Grobag's Family
Posted - 2007.06.14 22:07:00 - [28]
 

who wants some of my great mindfloods here ? you will see as many dimensions as you take pills ugh

Marquis Dean
Caldari
Indigo Fade
Posted - 2007.06.15 00:50:00 - [29]
 

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Shocked



 

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