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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:34:00 - [211]
 

LaughingLaughingLaughing


Shadow Elk
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:34:00 - [212]
 

Its wonderful to finally get to see the CCP/BoB spin live. I never seen anything like this befor. Its highly entertaining and impressive.

Buttercup Sedai
CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:34:00 - [213]
 

Congrats CCP, you made the front page of Digg.com! Tell your mom, I know she'll be proud.

http://www.digg.com/

Jebe Noyon
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:34:00 - [214]
 

If this whole crap comes out to be true how is CCP going to refund guys who were playing in aliances like ASCN and others who were pwned by CCP friends? Cuz I somehow think that paying equal amount of money and getting not equal chances might feel a person a bit robbed.

Parsil
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:34:00 - [215]
 

Quote:
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Why can BoB summon Admiral CHarmarjarajhkjshdf to fire ISD at will?

Just curious, cause you know, it's pretty much the major issue here.
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jakamo
Sounds Of Violence
Ghosts Syndicate
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:34:00 - [216]
 

mystery and conspiracy run ineveryaspect of this world , im surprised that people who play the game are upset they are effected by it in game if that is the case, i play this game cause i enjoy it, whemn it gets so stressful that i would bring myself to these guys actions be it the offenders or the accuser, i would need to stop playing this is not real life, although in many ways its better, but, everyone makes mistakes, these guys are human too and to neglect that they would enact on there human thoughts and emotions anydifferent way than a lil conspiracy is far fetched. no one is perfect let ccp handle this accordingly. i love eve!!!

Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:35:00 - [217]
 

Well if its on the internet it must all be true.

Goons are losing at EvE and now want to hurt the game in revenge? I doubt the fine folks from SA would ever do something so low to a online game, so what they posted must all be true as written, without embellishment or being completely taken out of context.

Ysira
Amarr
Mortis et Excidium
Cold Steel Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:35:00 - [218]
 

...and after reading the responses of some people in this thread:

Keep your stupid ingame politics, power mongering and smack talking for yourself or get back into COAD. It is irrelevant that Goonswarm has posted the letter or that (again) a BoB - Developer connection has been mentioned.

You can switch alliance names and everything, it would be the same. If my small alliance had developer contacts it would be the same problem. If a Dev would have "invaded" one of our corps, it would be the same problem.

Again: Stop it, it is not funny and just makes you look stupid. Not everything in this forum is about "the war" or you great alliances.

Jmanis Catharg
Caldari
Dusk Blade Logisitcals
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:35:00 - [219]
 

Yet another 'Oh my god CCP cheats' thread.

Whether the allegations are true or not I couldn't give a toss,, I was thoroughly disgusted by the player base to find the boards had to be shut down due to forum spam about this.

Any time I've seen allegations like this I've found CCP has been pretty justified in taking down posts, not because of the allegations made (unless it involved blatant breaches like posting GM communications),, but because the topic turns into nothing productive bar a bunch of e-peen waving 'Waa BoB cheats, t20, I'm gonna cancel my account' bull****, instead of any form of civilized discussion about it.

Grow the **** up people. And as someone posted around here somewhere, someone puts up two screenshots and an 'open letter' and suddenly everyone is up in arms? Don't make me prove how goddamn easy it is to photoshop something like that.

Christ, I could imagine half of you whiners wouldnt offer this level of criticism to your own governments,,, (and get off your high horse and realise thats a generalization anybody who reads that and says 'oh, I do though, so your wrong!')

Zekk Pacus
Caldari
RPS holdings
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:35:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: hybridundertaker

3rd bob guys in local vanting about how they can get ccp to do stuff for them is more like a joke (did u notice they name their ship DEVS, u forgot to mention that hard proof) then any proof at all



Whilst that may be tongue in cheek, why is that allowed? I'm fairly sure if I did it I'd have someone breathing down my neck...(one of my old corpies nearly got banned for having a name similar (NOT the same) to an NPC, so...)

Shadow Elk
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:35:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Jebe Noyon
If this whole crap comes out to be true how is CCP going to refund guys who were playing in aliances like ASCN and others who were pwned by CCP friends? Cuz I somehow think that paying equal amount of money and getting not equal chances might feel a person a bit robbed.


No, ccp does not refund losses to ingame futures put there by CCP themselves.

Lady Branwen
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:36:00 - [222]
 

so i qoute Kuangs post, and when it posts i'm quoting someone else ??? Kuang was quoting you, no matter what the quoted text says, and hey, tell jake he's a [email protected] for me m8 Laughing

Nemo Omnes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:36:00 - [223]
 

Could the community get answers to certain allegations such as the ISD and RP rigging incidents.
Several things need to be answered, like do certain customers have priority in game where players go under the assumption all are equal at least in priority for help and petitions? Why was the hammer so fast to fall on Raekhan? The logs show incredible timing with these events.
Furthermore, investigating claims of misconduct by GM is a step in the right direction. If it was an honest mistake, or as claimed helping, thank you for doing your jobs. But eve makes people paranoid especially be extremely suspicious behavior, and appearance of a cover up. Past precedents have shown certain members under the employment of CCP of unethical behavior, and this what the issue has come down to; is CCP as whole or individuals with the employment of CCP actively engaged in unethical behavior, and giving one side an advantage based off personal interests.
As this goes into the interest of trust and how your internal investigation will go. You want us to trust you, but you don't give us reason to trust you after you have been shown to not talk to us like rational and reasonalbe human beings. These reports of misconducts may not shake you internally, but now it is a Public relation nightmare.

Also buttes.

ghosttr
Amarr
ARK-CORP
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:36:00 - [224]
 

Well, I will repost my thoughts on this matter. Hopefully the spam train will stop soon so some logical, unbiased discussion on the issue may occur.


Well i think it was handled incorrectly by both sides.

On Non-Anwsered Petitions

If CCP didn't respond to the petitions made (if any were made), then CCP was wrong. CCP should have acknowledged the petition, and handled any issues in a private matter. Petitions are the only way the playerbase has to resolve issues, if the petition system doesn't work, then the response is a non-public response by the player. After the issue went public then CCP was right for not answering petitions. (due to the bias of the original poster).


On a dev joining the corporation.

I don't think this is a real issue, devs should be able to move about freely to fix problems. The only problem i see here is that devs should have better tools so that they don't have to join a corporation to fix issues, or that there is no log that the dev joined or left the corp.


On any player claiming to know a developer.

Any player claiming to know a dev, or any player who impersonates a dev should be punished according to the eula. If a corp member in bob claimed to be able to know a dev, impersonated a dev, or anything similar to that.

That player should be banned if there is any evidence of this, any action taken that even suggests that any CCP staff may be involved should also be investigated. (like if a bob member claims that ccp is going to ban someone, if they do get banned, such action should be looked into)

Muff Joos
Pelican.
Veneratio Venator Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:36:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Cyllaina
I read the letter, I don't see anything in there that would constitute a label of " cheating "...


A careful read will allow one to see that the ISD guy was clearly bias against BoB in the instance he spoke about, he even admitted to Warping within 1 " Foot " as he put it, of the dread.

Come on now, we all know if you warp right ontop of someone, be it a few hundred meters or a thousand, the likelyhood that you're going to bump them is high.

So whats the big deal here? Jerk of an ISD reporter got his privledges taken away, -claps-

CCP being contacted via MSN rather than petition? Who cares? You all wish you could do such a thing, I don't see any instance in that entire letter than says Orange Species did anything to " Cheat " or change the " State of the game " or the " Course of his pvp operation " By reporting that prick to someone he might call friend, who just happens to be on CCP staff.

Come on now people, all this instigating and calling to arms from the community is what will ruin this game, not the fact BoB has CCP staff on MSN lists.

CCP is not a local government, theyre not elected officals, if you don't like the way things are handled, stop paying them, it's not like taxes, you have a choice.

They do NOT have to answer to the customer, simply stop being a customer and go play vanguard or something singleplayer so you dont have to interact with other people.


WHAT??? Your actually saying that having a direct out of game communication link to a CCP official during a fleet engagement is above board?? In fact we should all wish we could do this? I don't. I never enjoyed playing Duke Nukem in "god mode" either. Maybe I'm in the minority.

John Cerberux
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:38:00 - [226]
 

CCP firing their employees is of no concern to us, however the fact that BOB got a CCP employee to intervene in an ISD doing his job within a minute, and then subsequently fired is a major concern. It means that the BoB leadership still has developers in it and they know about it.

To be honest, I was for developers playing the game earlier after the T20 incident as long as it wasn't in alliance/corp leadership. Now I think I'm firmly in the camp that the devs should not belong to player alliances nor should CCP hire players from the leadership of the major alliances in the game. There is too much conflict of interest and temptation for someone in that position.

Also, why even have events if CCP makes sure a certain party wins? No point in it.

CCP, last time most of my corp thought, "Ok 1 dev, not bad as long as CCP handles it well so things similar to it don't happen again." This time I don't know...

About the Dev joining the corp and giving himself director, at the very least a mail should have been sent to the CEO explaining what happened.

SiJira
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:38:00 - [227]
 

i love all the people who jump on the band wagon when something like this is announced - obviously this stuff is fake and only someones poor attempts to grief CCP ughYARRRR!!

kurtFury
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:39:00 - [228]
 

What me and im sure many other players want and expect from CCP is honesty. I as im sure many other players spend alot of time playing EVE ONLINE.This is not the first time such an issue has come out of the wood work.to be honest i do not see why a memeber of CCP would need to access a corp account to fix any type of game play issue.but honest the only reason any of this concerns me is only for the future of my own corporation.If space is to be owned by favor of the developers than this truly alters my gaming experience.
thats pray this is not the case.

Vozzek
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:39:00 - [229]
 

Originally by: Arushia
The glitched pos makes sense.

I'm more concerened aout the wrongful termination of the ISD correspondant and the allegation that BoB is able to reach CCP staff with a simple MSN message, bypassing the petition system used by honest players.

There was no glitched pos.
DS1 CEOs have said in this thread that there was no POS to glitch in the first place.

Shadow Elk
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:39:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: SiJira
i love all the people who jump on the band wagon when something like this is announced - obviously this stuff is fake and only someones poor attempts to grief CCP ughYARRRR!!


Yep and that is why the forums where offlined and the guys in white coats where brought out. I for one am getting my raincoat for the major whitewashing that has begun.

jeffb
GoonFleet
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:39:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Herculite
Well if its on the internet it must all be true.

Goons are losing at EvE and now want to hurt the game in revenge? I doubt the fine folks from SA would ever do something so low to a online game, so what they posted must all be true as written, without embellishment or being completely taken out of context.
I don't think anyone will ever be able to do more damage to Eve than BoB has with the last dev scandal.

Mortecai
Wise Guys
Exquisite Malevolence
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:40:00 - [232]
 

CCP employees messed up again? Nothing new here. IA will conduct a little check and will find that IA did nothing wrong.

The moment there are petitions and forum threads deleted and no response from CCP things get fishy. And this is what you get CCP. Another fan-full of brown sticky/messy stuff to clean up.

And all you needed to to was to get a grip on your workers in this game. Guess you dont care/are not interested.

Have fun shoveling ...

Fiendish Lo
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:40:00 - [233]
 

What's really sad is that because of CCP's past handling of misconduct, their word is worth less than that of corporations coming from the forum that made the term "Photoshop Friday" famous.

And for what it's worth, that's probably justified.

PastaMadaFaka
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:40:00 - [234]
 

well with all these posts arround i wana see what ccp is gona say about it?

Silus Fromme
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:40:00 - [235]
 

I have played EVE for nearly two years. I have never made a forum post before. I have only made 1 alt ever, who is used to hold open my one-man corp. This is undoubtedly the only post I ever will make on this forum.

Subscription cancelled. It took several instances of me turning the other cheek, but CCP has eventually driven home the point that they are not worth my money.

No, you can't have my stuff. I'd prefer if my character and all assets become unavailable to the game as a whole. Consider it SP- and isk-drain from a game that seems to be in serious need of a public drubbing.

8ObliVioN8
Caldari
InterGalactic Corp.
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:40:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: Cyllaina



CCP being contacted via MSN rather than petition? Who cares?



I care.

It favours CCP's privileged "friends" over the rest of the fee paying player base. The petition system is the only FAIR method of contacting CCP for in game issues.

It's also inappropriate contact like this that's exposing CCP to conflicts of interest like this in the first place. No player should ever receive any form of preferential treatment over another. Period.

Shinigami
Gallente
Shinra
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:41:00 - [237]
 

Back in REALITY we realize that a GM could easily see what's building in a POS without the need to join that corp.

Mahavy Seth
Viper-Squad
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:41:00 - [238]
 

CCP Tomorrow Response To All This:

BoB POS was bugged in the ion cell augmentaion idrodynamic propeller piston, and need a CCP developer to join the alliance as a director because in no other way we was able to solve the problem.

Regarding all other allegations, it seems that some peoples take great delight to uncover what they think it is true. The fact that BoB is always involved is merely an unlicky event.

We close this topic and we will ban everyone will again talk about this.



Marquis Dean
Caldari
Indigo Fade
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:42:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: Silus Fromme
I have played EVE for nearly two years. I have never made a forum post before. I have only made 1 alt ever, who is used to hold open my one-man corp. This is undoubtedly the only post I ever will make on this forum.

Subscription cancelled. It took several instances of me turning the other cheek, but CCP has eventually driven home the point that they are not worth my money.

No, you can't have my stuff. I'd prefer if my character and all assets become unavailable to the game as a whole. Consider it SP- and isk-drain from a game that seems to be in serious need of a public drubbing.


You don't even want a proper CCP-endorsed response yet? What if it's all horsesh*t and the Goons are just trying to kill the game for some reason or whatever? If there's more to this that isn't apparent?

You're going to throw away two years of work for that?

You're pathetic.

Jesters Knight
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:42:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: Cyllaina
I read the letter, I don't see anything in there that would constitute a label of " cheating "...


A careful read will allow one to see that the ISD guy was clearly bias against BoB in the instance he spoke about, he even admitted to Warping within 1 " Foot " as he put it, of the dread.

Come on now, we all know if you warp right ontop of someone, be it a few hundred meters or a thousand, the likelyhood that you're going to bump them is high.

So whats the big deal here? Jerk of an ISD reporter got his privledges taken away, -claps-

CCP being contacted via MSN rather than petition? Who cares? You all wish you could do such a thing, I don't see any instance in that entire letter than says Orange Species did anything to " Cheat " or change the " State of the game " or the " Course of his pvp operation " By reporting that prick to someone he might call friend, who just happens to be on CCP staff.

Come on now people, all this instigating and calling to arms from the community is what will ruin this game, not the fact BoB has CCP staff on MSN lists.

CCP is not a local government, theyre not elected officals, if you don't like the way things are handled, stop paying them, it's not like taxes, you have a choice.

They do NOT have to answer to the customer, simply stop being a customer and go play vanguard or something singleplayer so you dont have to interact with other people.


i am sad to say i was once Xelas.

from your words i wish i could strike that from my record.


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