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Ysira
Amarr
Mortis et Excidium
Cold Steel Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:23:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: Ysira on 26/05/2007 00:22:32
This (and the other incidents before) is exactly why anybody with additional powers should be banned from playing on TQ with normal accounts.

GMs, Devs and even most of the ISD people. Of course all those people need access TQ with their special roles and abilities. But they should have no further interest on TQ.

It is fine that they want to play their game, experience their vision. They can do so on Singularity. It might not be the same as TQ, but at least it is EVE.

If there is a private character on TQ and you still have "super powers", there will always be a conflict of interests.

Example: Of course that guy got reported for exploiting... But you knew him well. He is in your corp after all. Oh, it was only one time. Better speak to him over TS... And what should we do with that petition? Oh, closed without response. What a pity.

I do not say that all GMs (Devs, ISD, and so on) act like this or that even a single GM acts like this. All GMs I had contact to were always helpful and friendly and I greatly appreciate their help and the support they bring to EVE.

Outside influence and metagaming is cheating. Just as influencing the game via real life money. You might not be able to eliminate metagaming entirely, but you can limit at least CCP involvement.

It leaves a bad mark on your company, even if you investigate each "internal affair". There would be no need for such investigations if you eliminate the cause.

I do not know why Devs need to be able to play the game with their own private characters. You can create every situation and even long time gameplay on the test server and nobody cares. You don't need a char in a player corp on TQ to see the effects of your gameplay or develop the game. If you need to check situations or gameplay on TQ, get your developer account and watch battles or go mine some scordite in Hisec. You will be clearly identified as a developer and gather a large crowd, but there will be no accusations of secret behavior or involvement in the "larger alliances".

About GMs: I understand that they need knowledge of the game, the gameplay and such things to resolve issues. Why must this knowledge come from a private char on TQ? Is it not enough to play on Singularity and observing TQ gameplay?

ISD: Your access to your private chars on TQ should be restricted according to your powerlevel.
CRC? Yeah, go on playing on TQ, noone cares for some disappearing threads.
AURORA / ISC? Well, flying around in invulnerable ships and observing everything for news purposes. This provides a great deal of metagaming possibilities. No TQ for you, you should have fun with your ISD chars and your events.

I knew that the ISD consists of volunteers and that it might not be fair to everyone. But in the end it would be better for the game. (Give me a polaris frig and something to do with news reporting / events, and I would gladly stop playing on TQ with my private chars!)

I will not comment on "rigged events" at the moment, but I would appreciate some sort of Dev explanation.

Edit: OMG! When I started typing this post I should have been first page... WTF. I should seriously improve my english typing skills.

Kuang
Pilots Of Honour
Aeternus.
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:23:00 - [182]
 

Edited by: Kuang on 26/05/2007 00:25:59
Originally by: Chronus26
Just one piece of advice for anybody following this drama: Never forget that not everything you read is the truth, personal accounts can be biasd, they can be edited, rearranged, fabricated even to distort the truth to sombodys advantage.

We do not have the whole story infront of us, we have only the testimony of one person with his/her own agenda. Just dont pass judgment till you've heard all there is to hear, and try to make up your own mind instead of just hopping on yet another bandwagon.


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Kata Amentis
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:23:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: Kata Amentis on 26/05/2007 00:24:19
so let me get this straight, after all the other problems, debacles and scandles... a member of ccp staff has interacted with players without communication... then they covered it up (tbh thats the only way ccp's reaction is going to be taken)...


have they not learnt yet that being open and completely honest is the only way they are going to dig themselves out of the hole they have dug for themselves?

humbly asking for us to believe them... do they seriously think anyone who has played recently is going to do that??

prove to us that things like this are getting sorted, that there is a zero tolerance policy for ccp staff messing with players... and maybe we will in the (far distant) future. But the mirror is broken. (that'd be trust for those not used to my analogies Shocked now they are in trouble for ages, see it does make sense)

As i haven't got the foggiest about any of the other event being discussed, thats the only bit i'm going to comment on..

Useless alt
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:24:00 - [184]
 

No mater how bugged a POS might be CCP should always at least send a corp mail to the corp it is invading explaining why they are doing this.
Not doing this is a thing that is just beond me, and I hope that if the story told is true CCP needs to make a very clear appology to both the corp and the comunity about this incident.

I would also suggest a "bug fix" to the whole developer hopping in the driver seat set of commands. Make them automaticaly mail the corp every time this is done this way you as developers that need to: ??gain full access to a corp to be able to check a malfunctioning POS?? (should look at it from logs and DB point of view makes if no sense that you would have to look at it thrue a game interface)

As for the story arc having been set in stone and only minor things changable by player interaction... of course that is logical every role player should have realized that by now. How else could CCP tell us that the major factions are going to go to war?

As for "a certain" alliance having full access to at least one and quite posibly more CCP staf members both via in game and out of game communications well I guess that this confirms the suspisions that have been made public by several people ever since the first rigged alliance tournament and the second. Oh and the T2 BP incident, the appearant getting rid of an ISD member and the numerous references and threads that various members of the alliance utter during battles and encounters.

I guess CCP needs to start putting all staff members accounts under much much strickter survailance. Simply log their every command and in cases like this publish all logs and evidence not just saying we are looking at the data but providing the proof of inocense or guild to their subscribers.
Because even though EVE is just a game it is a game that feeds all members of staff in the CCP offices, therefor we as your subscribers have the right to know what is going on so please CCP do not just post a GUILTY/NOT GUILTY news bulletin but provide the means for us to verify your findings.

Lindesfarne
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:24:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: Rudos
It's amazing that CCP can still ask us to trust them after so many dishonest and suspicious actions on their part. I have lost any trust that I may ever have had for not only EVE, for the the CCP company as well.


When law enforcement was given such a statement they would say thank you for making the statement please give us a chance to look into the allegations and get back to you. Think its called due process.

Anything else just makes it looks like it happened and we dont want to talk about it.

Tileal
Gallente
Merch Industrial
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:24:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Jin Entres
All I see is some wild accusations with proof for only the smallest of them (Sharkbait in DS1). If true, even partially, I admit the matters are serious. But it could also just be social engineering, for all we know. And quite frankly I trust CCP enough to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I want you to note that you trust CCP, but we don't. We are the one's fighting BoB, whom CCP has cheated to help, and we are the ones who have had our allied corps have devs mysteriously join, and now we are the ones who have friends banned for answering questions and bringing peoples attention to the dev misconduct. We have no reason to trust CCP because they have given us no reason.

Buttercup Sedai
CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:24:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: goober
i am wondering what it will take to get my money back from the 2 years of playing a game in which the devs themselves were in violation of almost every rule created to keep this game inline


I'm guessing CCP's stance on this is really a "our house, our rules" position rather than wanting to create a fair, impartial system.

Not too long ago Tux asked for a short, helpful suggestion to improve Eve, and at the time I couldn't come up with something beyond "lol nos." Now I know exactly what to say:

You've created a great game, but the CCP fails horribly at maintaining it. It's time to turn it over to another group before it becomes the next SWG; nothing but a broken shell where a good game used to be, ruined by it's creators.

Zorger
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:24:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Edited by: General Windypops on 26/05/2007 00:01:24
Well I guess today is the day that Goons went too far, spammed the forums to the point they were taken offline and lost the credibility of the Eve community.

Pretty pathetic to try to debase an entire game with so many uncorped alts simply because of their desire to win a forum war.

If you read between the lines of the drama bomb there's not a shred of actual evidence whatsoever.

A sad day indeed. I just wish Goons could have conducted themselves with a bit more honour, instead of ruining the game for the entire eve community to further their own political ends.

Deliberately spoiling / derailing / spamming every single in game channel and legitimate thread on the forums was a step too far. Learn to respect your community, Goonswarm. If you want to be treated with credibility behave in a way that people respect, don't grief the game for innocent players.




This is the only way to ccp actually do anything in that case. If they will send single petition it will get deleted/not responded and ccp will still saying everything is fine and there are no devs cheating.

Southern Kros
LOW SEC MINING
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:24:00 - [189]
 

Tut Tut.

Everyone gets on the bandwagon, corruption, favoritisim, cheating. Well I actually don't give a damn. I am one small player in a damn big pond. I am sure that CCP will issue a proper statement when they have investigated the allegations.

So far as I can tell its CCP's game and they can do what they like to it. We don't like it we don't pay. I will not be canceling my subs.

For a game that thrives on piracy, scamming, stealing, murder and PVP in all its many forms is it any wonder that allegations are made. Even if some of what I hear are true why should i quit a game just because one or two maybe bent (corrupt).

Whatever has happend, didn't happen or whatever its in CCP's interests to ensure the game is balanced through fair mean or foul. Lets be serious for a moment, would you let a group of customers run your busines?. Like hell you would, but you may want to think they helped to direct the flow. CCP and any major organisation are not so stupid as to let a bunch of "fans" run the game. I love my football team, would the owner let me manage it, even though I know a lot about football. No a chance. Same applies here.

Now lets shut up and let CCP make a statement next week after the investigation.

Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:24:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: 1337tong
Originally by: Blacklight
To be honest I'm more interested how CCP intend to deal with a particular element of the player base who think that just because their personal drama llama is on the loose it's then ok to spam these forums to the degree that they have to be taken down to deal with it.



2nd

also i am very interested to see how ccp will resolve this issue. i can understand why sharkbait would probably be in a corp taking the director role for a short period of time and im sure anyone with a ounce of common sense could see that it was more then likely down to them making a petition in the first place and sharkbait was doing his job to fix their issue.

There is a certain element in this game that somehow feels tarnished because of all this public aired laundry, weather it is true or not remains to be confirmed by ccp themselves. as for those who are looking to leave the game all i can say is maybe it is better for eve that you do go, if some of you feel the need to try and distroy what is left of eve to get at BoB. i do hope that this issue is resolved quickly for ccp's sake.

as for those of you who feel that spamming the forums attention seeking is the way to go, i feel that ccp has been rather soft allowing this to continue. 2 strikes down so far, When and IF there is a 3rd strike i hope that ccp deals with this in a more aggressive approach then they have up till now. Rolling Eyes


Here is the problem with you and Blacklights argument:

1. DS1 petitioned this as soon as they saw a GM had been in their corp. That petition was deleted.

That's right, a guy asking why a GM had roles in their corp and then left didn't recieve an answer, his question was deleted.

2. As of right now, no members of DS1 have stepped forward saying they petitioned this. The CEO stepped forward and said he didn't even think they had any POSs needing investigation.

So we tried taking this directly to CCP, but instead of an answer, our petitions were deleted, which forced this.

I'm not going to get into the ISD thing, because the problem there is strikingly obvious

Umiji
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:26:00 - [191]
 

It's sad, but CCP is going to be permanently tainted by previous misconduct. Every mistake made is going to be scrutinized. Any suspicious activity has the potential to spark a fire storm.

Insomniac
Slavers Inc
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:26:00 - [192]
 

So what actually happened to the pos? did it poof like the coalitions ego?

Daveydweeb
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:27:00 - [193]
 

Edited by: Daveydweeb on 26/05/2007 00:26:12
Originally by: Arushia
I'm more concerened aout the wrongful termination of the ISD correspondant and the allegation that BoB is able to reach CCP staff with a simple MSN message, bypassing the petition system used by honest players.


Quite right on this point.

Jojo Yohan
Gallente
New Eden Regimental Navy
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:27:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: Cyllaina

A careful read will allow one to see that the ISD guy was clearly bias against BoB in the instance he spoke about, he even admitted to Warping within 1 " Foot " as he put it, of the dread.

Come on now, we all know if you warp right ontop of someone, be it a few hundred meters or a thousand, the likelyhood that you're going to bump them is high.


Perhaps you didn't read the part that said that doing that was normal for any member of ISD and then orbiting at 80KM. I didn't see in the teleport code any attribute that states how far away you teleport from a dread or anything else.

Milesofun
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:28:00 - [195]
 

Seems a bit odd, that no ones petioned sharkbait's char since we now, KNOW he's in the Goonswarm Twisted Evil so when's he getting deleted? CCP's plicy is not negatible or so they tell us. Get found out get deleted, so nomore sharkbait Razz But on a more serous note It's odd to fix a petion that the corp in question says does not exist, and the other alegations are worse, seems like an info raid at best Confused CCP i know it's a long weekend, but call the boss in and get this resovled, the last time you messed this up big time. So make yourselves look good and do this right

Prall Grosserbauch
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:29:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: KSUDruid
The first thing I thought when I saw the goons posting this was, "Wow, they're just looking for a way to bow out of the game and have an excuse."



The first thing I thought when I saw you posting this was "why exactly is this guy so keen to divert everyone's attention?"

Questions I still want answered:

Why was CEO Pyrex not informed that Sharkbait would make himself a director in his corp?
Why were Pyrex's petetions asking for an explanation deleted and further attempts to obtain an explanation treated hostilely?

At the very least there's a serious issue of a serious breakdown in communication and customer relations that needs to be addressed. Also it would be great if everything else not-DS1 related could be addressed.

Kam SingDu'k
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:29:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: Cyllaina
I read the letter, I don't see anything in there that would constitute a label of " cheating "...


A careful read will allow one to see that the ISD guy was clearly bias against BoB in the instance he spoke about, he even admitted to Warping within 1 " Foot " as he put it, of the dread.

Come on now, we all know if you warp right ontop of someone, be it a few hundred meters or a thousand, the likelyhood that you're going to bump them is high.

So whats the big deal here? Jerk of an ISD reporter got his privledges taken away, -claps-

CCP being contacted via MSN rather than petition? Who cares? You all wish you could do such a thing, I don't see any instance in that entire letter than says Orange Species did anything to " Cheat " or change the " State of the game " or the " Course of his pvp operation " By reporting that prick to someone he might call friend, who just happens to be on CCP staff.

Come on now people, all this instigating and calling to arms from the community is what will ruin this game, not the fact BoB has CCP staff on MSN lists.

CCP is not a local government, theyre not elected officals, if you don't like the way things are handled, stop paying them, it's not like taxes, you have a choice.

They do NOT have to answer to the customer, simply stop being a customer and go play vanguard or something singleplayer so you dont have to interact with other people.


wtb glasses for this guy who claims not to see any cheating! hahaahaha what a joke

First of all, EVEN IF the ISD member was caught bumping the dread, nothing happened to it in the end did it? Further more if the dread was in seige mode IT CANT GET BUMPED. Thirdly, is simply bumping a dread worth a lifetime ban? No. It was actually the exposť of the Bob/GM relationship that got them banned! This was also AFTER the t20 incident... lol...

Please stop posting wortless posts in order to defend your bosses and play the game on a level playing field.

And to the guys who said that everything was solved after the t20 coverup please eat your hats.

Raedeon
Gallente
VNTR Labs
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:29:00 - [198]
 

Lame.

good DRAMABOMB for a Friday \o/, saw a post in CAOD early this week about an incoming DRAMABOMB, thought it would be about something else tbh, i thought it would be about .......

Oh maybe save that one for later, mayhaps next FRIDAY!!!

pretty silly crap if the accusations are true. Holding off from saying or jumpin to conclusions.
Off to get ****ed up now, ya'll have fun now. Wink

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:30:00 - [199]
 

One thing that is clear from the hatred and howling that accompinined the probable innocent action from the Dev - is that elements of CCP are percieved by a large percentage of their player base as untrustworthy and are 'lived with' as someone in a peasant village would live with a corrupt dictator who lived in the capital many miles away.

The attitude that "if you dont like it - quit" is simplistic and defeatist. Players have invested a lot of time and isk into the game - and the game has a lot going for it.

What has been proven though - is that mud sticks - and CCPs initial decision to try to stuff the rabit back into the hat was patronising and ill thought out.

SKUNK

Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:30:00 - [200]
 

Just a quick update from DS1, whom the GM joined, gave himself roles and left just confirmed that they only have three POSs, and no one petitioned. I'd really like to see how the GM explains this.


Barwinius
Ars ex Discordia
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:30:00 - [201]
 

For shame, CCP. I thought you would have figured out how to handle this by now. Confused

ikhi
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:30:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Wylker
Lol, this thread is getting epic. I want to make sure I understand what is going on.

Some random ISD guy is likely doing something stupid and gets in trouble. In bitterness he goes DIRECTLY to hacker*** and makes up something about jorgu being in touch with BoB on MSN. Everyone bites into hacker***s line of crap because GOONSWARM (<--- here to break the game) has a problem with a GM entering their corp in response to a petition.

Best
Reaction
EVAH.

I love these forums.

To everyone who's leaving, set up 7 day contracts for your stuff to Wylker please, It'll help with my IPO :)

man the biggest problem with you f5'ing every thread on earth just to post about goonswarm is that you've probably never even seen one on local
that and your posting is an incredibly horrible sight way beyond what one could expect from even the most illiterate members of dice

Angelus Damelon
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:30:00 - [203]
 

Disappointing and yet completely unsurprising set of allegations. Bottom line, CCP has mucked this game up quite a bit in various different ways, corruption being only one.

The player base is getting justifiably jaded. I can't even be bothered to act shocked or appalled at news like this anymore.

Pringlescan
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:31:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Edited by: General Windypops on 26/05/2007 00:01:24
Well I guess today is the day that Goons went too far, spammed the forums to the point they were taken offline and lost the credibility of the Eve community.

Pretty pathetic to try to debase an entire game with so many uncorped alts simply because of their desire to win a forum war.

If you read between the lines of the drama bomb there's not a shred of actual evidence whatsoever.

A sad day indeed. I just wish Goons could have conducted themselves with a bit more honour, instead of ruining the game for the entire eve community to further their own political ends.

Deliberately spoiling / derailing / spamming every single in game channel and legitimate thread on the forums was a step too far. Learn to respect your community, Goonswarm. If you want to be treated with credibility behave in a way that people respect, don't grief the game for innocent players.



Have you been reading the thread? Did you read the allegations? Do you think ccp had an emergency meeting due to some desire of ours "to win a forum war' Im pretty sure the answer to that is no because if YOU had you and the bob members are the only ones to immediatly dismiss this from out of hand. You can not possibly tell if were right or wrong yet you automatically assume that we are without giving a chance for the evidence to surface.
That is an example of being politacly motived hands down.
We didnt want to spam the forums but since ccp deleted the orginal thread we were forced to, so that everyone would know that there were allegations against CCP that it tried to hide from.
If you read the posts so far the only people to lose credulity from this is CCP and BOB itself.
Remember this is whats being accused.
1. A gm joined a corp without ANY warning to the pos owners, gave himself director roles and left again without giving any notice. His petion was deleted without any reason given.
2. A former RP volunteer has given evidence that RP events are being rigged and CCP is trying to cover it up.
3. The same man was kicked and fired for allegdly bumping a bob dreadnaught while performing his duties as a reporter in a completly legit way, and not obeying the BOB fc who had no authority over him at all and called in a GM to deal with it through freaking MSN.
That is whats at issue here and i might as well add of course CCPs typical reaction when asked for answers.

Obron Mettlo
Minmatar
Gladfit Shipyards
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:31:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: 1337tong
Rolling Eyes


Can you step out of your BoB persona for a second and consider a few things? What else, when IA is implicated, petitions are deleted, valid posts are locked and erased, are we supposed to do? Write an evemail to the accused about how they themselves are accused of cheating? Give me a break.

When was the last time a dev/GM EVER had to join a corporation to fix a bugged POS? What's the point of being a GM if you have to join the corporation to resolve something a simple and buggy as POSs. Surely if this were common practice, we would have heard of a GM joining a corporation before considering POSs are consistently the buggest part of the game.

You don't find it at all suspicious that on top of all that, neither CEO of DS1 knew of any such bugged POS until it was brought up in this thread?

KeratinBoy
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:31:00 - [206]
 

Dear CCP,

I realize that the publishing of Goonfleets open letter has caused your weekend to be ruined. Two days of non-work fun gone down the drain is depressing. However, the players of Eve would like some response addressing their concerns about the following:

1) The rigging of RP events. Why bother Rping if your contributions are going to be ignored if you are not from a favoured alliance? See also "railroading".

2) A Dev using his powers to join DS1, become a director, then leave, all in 20 minutes. Why did he not contact the relevant parties beforehand and why did he need to do it on the first place? What was he not able to do without joining the Corp?

3) The incident apparently leading to the banning of Raekhan. What did he do that required termination of his account?

I realise that you have been overwhelmed by the Threadnaught previous to this thread but censorship of ideas will lead to drastic responses, especially on the internet.

With all the current attention you have garnered over your behaviour, this would be an excellent time to show many, many people that you are capable of addressing their concerns in a transparent and thorough fashion.

Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:32:00 - [207]
 

Pringlescan, don't forget that the corp the GM joined are pretty damn surprised, as they never asked for his assistance.

perfeus
Anvil Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:32:00 - [208]
 

Umm,

So let me get this straight. I am supposed to take it at someones word that they were an ISD member who uncovered a "super secret" conspiracy in which CCP would put their own real life jobs and company on the line in order to help an imaginary alliance in an online space game? And that when he "uncovered this truth" he was fired by the big bad corporation CCP. Sounds like a low rate hollywood movie to me.

And then "the goons" are going to try to force the issue by having a million alts post on various forums and in here?

I don't know much about BOB or all of this crap, but seriously, this is some of the dumbest crap to hit these forums. Give it a rest already Rolling Eyes

As for the GM entering a corp unexpected, yeah, I would agree that's crap and mishandled if in fact it was handled the way we are hearing that it was handled.

Qece
modro
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:32:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Edited by: General Windypops on 26/05/2007 00:01:24
Well I guess today is the day that Goons went too far, spammed the forums to the point they were taken offline and lost the credibility of the Eve community.

Pretty pathetic to try to debase an entire game with so many uncorped alts simply because of their desire to win a forum war.

If you read between the lines of the drama bomb there's not a shred of actual evidence whatsoever.

A sad day indeed. I just wish Goons could have conducted themselves with a bit more honour, instead of ruining the game for the entire eve community to further their own political ends.

Deliberately spoiling / derailing / spamming every single in game channel and legitimate thread on the forums was a step too far. Learn to respect your community, Goonswarm. If you want to be treated with credibility behave in a way that people respect, don't grief the game for innocent players.




Goonfleet is full with role-players. Shame for you that we all roleplay as useless, honourless ***gots.

ghosttr
Amarr
ARK-CORP
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:33:00 - [210]
 

Well, I will repost my thoughts on this matter. Hopefully the spam train will stop soon so some logical, unbiased discussion on the issue may occur.


Well i think it was handled incorrectly by both sides.

On Non-Anwsered Petitions

If CCP didn't respond to the petitions made (if any were made), then CCP was wrong. CCP should have acknowledged the petition, and handled any issues in a private matter. Petitions are the only way the playerbase has to resolve issues, if the petition system doesn't work, then the response is a non-public response by the player. After the issue went public then CCP was right for not answering petitions. (due to the bias of the original poster).


On a dev joining the corporation.

I don't think this is a real issue, devs should be able to move about freely to fix problems. The only problem i see here is that devs should have better tools so that they don't have to join a corporation to fix issues, or that there is no log that the dev joined or left the corp.


On any player claiming to know a developer.

Any player claiming to know a dev, or any player who impersonates a dev should be punished according to the eula. If a corp member in bob claimed to be able to know a dev, impersonated a dev, or anything similar to that.

That player should be banned if there is any evidence of this, any action taken that even suggests that any CCP staff may be involved should also be investigated. (like if a bob member claims that ccp is going to ban someone, if they do get banned, such action should be looked into)


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