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Glengrant
Beyond Limited
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:14:00 - [151]
 

Hm, somebody with internal access needs to use tactics like making himself a member, with the high risk of being noticed?
How does that make sense?
If I were a cheating dev I'd just do a quick SQL query on the DB, get the data without anybody ever noticing it.

And why is what CCP says always fishy, while what others say is assumed to be the whole truth?

Also the idea that CCP actively helps BoB is plain silly. It's not in their interest to have one dominating alliance - much less the one they are already accused of being in bed with.

I'm sure a couple of abuses did happen - but I trust that CCP isn't nearly stupid enough to destroy their own business by allowing their employees to cheat all the time.

Take off your tinfoiil hats and don't always assume the worst. You might get a more sensible picture of things.

just my 2 cents

PriestWithKnives
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:14:00 - [152]
 

Why did Raekhan get reprimanded by someone within minutes of BoB saying they were going to msn CCP employees and then three hours later get banned from his accounts and access to forums while all petitions he sent get summarily declined.

I thought the ability to have a petition sent up the chain to actually get an answer was now accepted. Didn't they set up the new department to look at CCP employee behavior just to help avert this amount of backhanded tactics? We know there have been scandals in the recent past do we really need to have CCP continue destroying their game in this fashion?

Kalahari Wayrest
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:15:00 - [153]
 

Quote:
Also why are all RP events rigged? Way to develop a thriving community there, jerks.


Some peoples "rigged" are other peoples "well defined storylines."
Personally, I prefer a more open ended adaptive approach (which they may or may not also do?) But that, in itself, isn't really an indication of corruption. Also, your chin is abnormally large. Which isn't a personal attack, merely an observation.

Path Finder
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:15:00 - [154]
 

I dont know if this has been mentioned. I haven't bothered to read the entire thread.

This is not the first time that BoB has been caught with their hand in the CCP cookie jar. IMHO, the corp should be disbanded and all holdings eliminated.

Its clear that they have a significant advantage in the alliance with CCP.

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice shame on CCP.

Marquis Dean
Caldari
Indigo Fade
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:15:00 - [155]
 

Heheh. This is all gold. Razz

Veinnail
FinFleet
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:15:00 - [156]
 

This needs to end...

Richard Villiers
Gallente
Quid Pro Quo
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:15:00 - [157]
 

Heh, just when I decided to give WOW a try Laughing
free stuff for ex-corpies coming up in roughly 2 months when GTC run out ... that is, if any of them are left. Confused

Sigmorhair
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:15:00 - [158]
 

Would have thought maybe, just maybe, that CCP would have learned the last several times this happened.Shocked

Quartz Mine
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:16:00 - [159]
 

I think we need the firing of the ISD employee that appears to have been initated by BoB to be addressed as well. Ya know...SOMETHING.

Maska Brown
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:16:00 - [160]
 

im loosing faith in this game... sad your ruining the fun.

Humperdinc
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:16:00 - [161]
 

This is gonna cost you subscriptions CCP.

You've massively failed to clean house. Your DEVS and ISDS are corrupt.

You can simply not be trusted to be objective in any matter concerning misconduct of oany of your staff.

I'm extremely disappointed.

Drakarian
Viziam
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:17:00 - [162]
 

I haven't read the details about what the alleged dev did (got here after the forum was closed), but from what i understand the dev took control of a corp without permission.

I don't think the Dev's are stupid enough to try and get away with something like this, I think this is a bug.

That said, if CCP has dev's that are corrupt, they HAVE to fire them.

ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:17:00 - [163]
 

Would be nice with a dev reply to the other thing in the letter as well

Jayder
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:18:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Blacklight
To be honest I'm more interested how CCP intend to deal with a particular element of the player base who think that just because their personal drama llama is on the loose it's then ok to spam these forums to the degree that they have to be taken down to deal with it.




I think its kind of insulting to all eve players who are affected by dev misconduct for you to sit there and pretend like your corporation is distant to the whole fiasco, when infact you're buried in it. If you really understood the implications that the allegations in the open letter have for your corporation you probably wouldn't be so quick to condescend to the people that are making this good intentioned and well supported accusation.

Shadow Elk
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:18:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: KSUDruid
The first thing I thought when I saw the goons posting this was, "Wow, they're just looking for a way to bow out of the game and have an excuse."

The responses of this thread prove it. Will be seeing you guys, the door is that way.


Just say NO to cheating

Ouroboron
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:18:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Ouroboron
Originally by: Laura Faorun
Why can BoB summon Admiral CHarmarjarajhkjshdf to fire ISD at will?

Just curious, cause you know, it's pretty much the major issue here.


This.

Also, wasn't he the one who congratulated BoB in local immediately following a titan kill? I think he maybe needs to have his Instant Messenger priviledges revoked, and a key logger installed on any computer he has access to at CCP.

This stuff is starting to get out of hand.


Why wouldn't the forums let me edit my post? Anyways, I what I meant to say was 'a titan "kill"' Rolling Eyes. Also... no one believes the bug fixing story. You're going to need to come up with something better.

Chronus26
Team Laser Explosion
Molotov Coalition
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:19:00 - [167]
 

Just one piece of advice for anybody following this drama: Never forget that not everything you read is the truth, personal accounts can be biasd, they can be edited, rearranged, fabricated even to distort the truth to sombodys advantage.

We do not have the whole story infront of us, we have only the testimony of one person with his/her own agenda. Just dont pass judgment till you've heard all there is to hear, and try to make up your own mind instead of just hopping on yet another bandwagon.

Rudos
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:19:00 - [168]
 

It's amazing that CCP can still ask us to trust them after so many dishonest and suspicious actions on their part. I have lost any trust that I may ever have had for not only EVE, for the the CCP company as well.

Kuseka Adama
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:19:00 - [169]
 

First off.

Speaking as a former FC player and an ex citizen of Rubi-ka (Anarchy online) i can assure you that when it comes to rigging events nothing can compare not even this to what former ARK events director Lornavash is accused of. A personal vendetta breaking every code that organization had was pursued against one player and was one of the reasons i came to eve. That story is one that would make this pale in comparision. The events team there plays out the events no matter what we try to do. Nothing ever changes there you are at their mercy. So quite frankly i am used to it.

I hope this gets sorted and ends with the proper result for all involved. If that means people being fired publicly so be it. If it means a public apology by those involved so be it. But quite frankly i know from personal experiences posts like this do little if anything about the problem. Most dont even bother to listen. Especially on issues like this. It will be done when its done.

I do know this aint the only game this happens at sorry to say. Rumors like this have spiraled about many games. Anarchy Online and others have had simular problems. There is no cause so noble as to not attract the *******.

Mahavy Seth
Viper-Squad
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:19:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: KSUDruid
The first thing I thought when I saw the goons posting this was, "Wow, they're just looking for a way to bow out of the game and have an excuse."

The responses of this thread prove it. Will be seeing you guys, the door is that way.


It seems anyway that any event where a developers is involved, have BoB inside also... like also CCP admitted.

Sral TBear
Shipwreck cove
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:20:00 - [171]
 

¨What to say....there is no chance in hell that ccp will regain trust now....it will colide with there privacy policy.....

Im still here, and im proberbly here for a long time. But i realy do understand the fuzz....

We are humans. Its werry simple...did she have sex with another man...?? who knows...who will tell....but it will always tease your brain....

Se ya all in space....

1337tong
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:20:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Blacklight
To be honest I'm more interested how CCP intend to deal with a particular element of the player base who think that just because their personal drama llama is on the loose it's then ok to spam these forums to the degree that they have to be taken down to deal with it.



2nd

also i am very interested to see how ccp will resolve this issue. i can understand why sharkbait would probably be in a corp taking the director role for a short period of time and im sure anyone with a ounce of common sense could see that it was more then likely down to them making a petition in the first place and sharkbait was doing his job to fix their issue.

There is a certain element in this game that somehow feels tarnished because of all this public aired laundry, weather it is true or not remains to be confirmed by ccp themselves. as for those who are looking to leave the game all i can say is maybe it is better for eve that you do go, if some of you feel the need to try and distroy what is left of eve to get at BoB. i do hope that this issue is resolved quickly for ccp's sake.

as for those of you who feel that spamming the forums attention seeking is the way to go, i feel that ccp has been rather soft allowing this to continue. 2 strikes down so far, When and IF there is a 3rd strike i hope that ccp deals with this in a more aggressive approach then they have up till now. Rolling Eyes

ghosttr
Amarr
ARK-CORP
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:20:00 - [173]
 

Well it was handled incorrectly by both sides.

On Non-Anwsered Petitions


If CCP didn't respond to the petitions made (if any were made), then CCP was wrong. CCP should have acknowledged the petition, and handled any issues in a private matter. Petitions are the only way the playerbase has to resolve issues, if the petition system doesn't work, then the response is a non-public response by the player. After the issue went public then CCP was right for not answering petitions. (due to the bias of the original poster).


On a dev joining the corporation.

I don't think this is a real issue, devs should be able to move about freely to fix problems. The only problem i see here is that devs should have better tools so that they don't have to join a corporation to fix issues, or that there is no log that the dev joined or left the corp.


On any player claiming to know a developer.


Any player claiming to know a dev, or any player who impersonates a dev should be punished according to the eula. If a corp member in bob claimed to be able to know a dev, impersonated a dev, or anything similar to that.

That player should be banned if there is any evidence of this, any action taken that even suggests that any CCP staff may be involved should also be investigated. (like if a bob member claims that ccp is going to ban someone, if they do get banned, such action should be looked into)

Mazuel
Minmatar
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:20:00 - [174]
 

I am extremely disappointed in the manner in which CCP has handled these allegations. To censor and restrict the flow of information is simply inexcusable. There is no situation in which this should occur. We're talking about a game here, not National Security.

Furthermore, to comment on these allegations in such a manner as to call them "sensationalist"... How dare you? How dare you try to attack this person's credibility when your own is in question? And; to address one single issue to the exclusion of the others, in an attempt to further diminish the post's credibility... Really? Have you been backed in to a corner so far as to need these underhanded tactics?

Why not show some professionalism, address the issues up front, and give the accusations the creditability they deserve. This "statement" of yours tells me one thing: You've already decided to sweep this under the rug and ignore the elephant sitting next to you.

Please, please, please show us, your paying customers the respect we disserve. Handel this properly.

Mitawyn
Caldari
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:21:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: WildSide
u doesnt need to answer on thsi goonies..but was it a Capital building POs we was talking about or jsut a ordinary Pos? if its the first its definaly fishy.


I can answer that one. There was no "bugged" pos of DS1 in game at that time, or now either.

SuperSarge
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:21:00 - [176]
 

Anyone notice in the response the only thing thats mentioned is Goons getting the forums disabled? Anyway thanks CCP, i've cancelled my account and plan on moving onto a new game. If something ever changes to the point where a person can not go on msn to call up is friend to get an ISD member kicked out, let me know. k thx.

JamnOne
Amarr
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:21:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Xalorn
Whatever happens, its not going to be swept under the rug.
Its on ign.com & digg.com (main page) so far.
I must be blind because I don't see this story on either site.

Natas Dog
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:21:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Cyllaina
I read the letter, I don't see anything in there that would constitute a label of " cheating "...


A careful read will allow one to see that the ISD guy was clearly bias against BoB in the instance he spoke about, he even admitted to Warping within 1 " Foot " as he put it, of the dread.

Come on now, we all know if you warp right ontop of someone, be it a few hundred meters or a thousand, the likelyhood that you're going to bump them is high.

So whats the big deal here? Jerk of an ISD reporter got his privledges taken away, -claps-

CCP being contacted via MSN rather than petition? Who cares? You all wish you could do such a thing, I don't see any instance in that entire letter than says Orange Species did anything to " Cheat " or change the " State of the game " or the " Course of his pvp operation " By reporting that prick to someone he might call friend, who just happens to be on CCP staff.

Come on now people, all this instigating and calling to arms from the community is what will ruin this game, not the fact BoB has CCP staff on MSN lists.

CCP is not a local government, theyre not elected officals, if you don't like the way things are handled, stop paying them, it's not like taxes, you have a choice.

They do NOT have to answer to the customer, simply stop being a customer and go play vanguard or something singleplayer so you dont have to interact with other people.

Yes, god forbid we actually want parity in this game. We can all learn a lesson from your words, you should probably put in for a position in ISD about it; I hear there's at least one open as of recently.

ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:22:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Kuseka Adama
First off.

Speaking as a former FC player and an ex citizen of Rubi-ka (Anarchy online) i can assure you that when it comes to rigging events nothing can compare not even this to what former ARK events director Lornavash is accused of. A personal vendetta breaking every code that organization had was pursued against one player and was one of the reasons i came to eve. That story is one that would make this pale in comparision. The events team there plays out the events no matter what we try to do. Nothing ever changes there you are at their mercy. So quite frankly i am used to it.

I hope this gets sorted and ends with the proper result for all involved. If that means people being fired publicly so be it. If it means a public apology by those involved so be it. But quite frankly i know from personal experiences posts like this do little if anything about the problem. Most dont even bother to listen. Especially on issues like this. It will be done when its done.

I do know this aint the only game this happens at sorry to say. Rumors like this have spiraled about many games. Anarchy Online and others have had simular problems. There is no cause so noble as to not attract the *******.

indeed wise words chronus, but with the things happend in the past regarding bob it makes it a lot harder not to belive this
but i can honestly say i hope its not true since id rather continue to play this game

Arushia
Nova Labs
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:22:00 - [180]
 

The glitched pos makes sense.

I'm more concerened aout the wrongful termination of the ISD correspondant and the allegation that BoB is able to reach CCP staff with a simple MSN message, bypassing the petition system used by honest players.


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