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Rudos
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:06:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Lsf XXi
Why can BoB summon someone to fire ISD at will?

Phoenixhawk
Caldari
Farscape Mining
Hitchhiker's Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:06:00 - [122]
 

None of this really surprises me. *snip* Don't troll. -Rauth If i remember correct someone got banned for bringing that to light too, probably gonna be mass bans with this one too.

Myk Taison
Unknown Force
SOLAR WING
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:07:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Edited by: General Windypops on 26/05/2007 00:01:24
Well I guess today is the day that Goons went too far, spammed the forums to the point they were taken offline and lost the credibility of the Eve community.

Pretty pathetic to try to debase an entire game with so many uncorped alts simply because of their desire to win a forum war.

If you read between the lines of the drama bomb there's not a shred of actual evidence whatsoever.

A sad day indeed. I just wish Goons could have conducted themselves with a bit more honour, instead of ruining the game for the entire eve community to further their own political ends.

Deliberately spoiling / derailing / spamming every single in game channel and legitimate thread on the forums was a step too far. Learn to respect your community, Goonswarm. If you want to be treated with credibility behave in a way that people respect, don't grief the game for innocent players.




general windypops we are trying to keep this discussion on topic please be serious!

Cyanagen
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:07:00 - [124]
 

Follow the money.



JaegerNZ
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:07:00 - [125]
 


Quote:
We humbly ask our players to trust that the internal monitoring of our employers is being taken seriously.


Well i can say for most players i have talked with about this topic that there is a firm belief that this will not happen.

the main reason for this is that it is in CCP's best interests to say that they have sorted maybe even burn a GM or two but in the greater part do nothing. this sort of in depth corruption would mean a fundimental shift in the way CCP staff interact with their clients and other parts on the community and i cannot see this occurring.



Quote:
The current allegations will be fully investigated and we will publish our findings at the first opportunity. Please understand that this may not be today or tomorrow, but this issue will not be ignored.


The general understanding of this statement is that you do not have enough time to prepare a decent enough cover story, for the actions, while you will indeed find out what will and has occurred making that known to us will not happen, as with all companies you will need to find a way to release the information while appearing to be hard done by.

This situation would not have come to past if the correct procedures and checks had been in place.

we will all look forward to see what happens will players/corps who have benefited by corrupt GMs behaviors be penalized, will players/corps who had the opposite get compensation?

WIll those players who have been banned for this get thier accounts opened again?

Ouroboron
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:07:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Laura Faorun
Why can BoB summon Admiral CHarmarjarajhkjshdf to fire ISD at will?

Just curious, cause you know, it's pretty much the major issue here.



This.

Also, wasn't he the one who congratulated BoB in local immediately following a titan kill? I think he maybe needs to have his Instant Messenger priviledges revoked, and a key logger installed on any computer he has access to at CCP.

This stuff is starting to get out of hand.

WildSide
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:08:00 - [127]
 

any goons able to answer (or tell me its secret) if the POS was a capital Pos or not.
:) would make things a bit clearer.

Shadow Elk
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:08:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Bob Socko
If it was just to fix a POS, he would have let the CEO know. If he really did forget, it all could have been cleared up by responding to the petition - rather than deleting the petition outright.

I'm very disappointed that the initial response ignores the fact that a BoB pilot got an ISD reporter fired via out-of-game channels because he refused to leave a system. The response also ignores the rigged roleplaying events. I'm very, very disappointed.


Dont choke on all that meat

Anton Marx
Caldari
Warhamsters
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:08:00 - [129]
 

But really, if I were BoB, I wouldn't even think of posting in this thread. One BoB post will get at least 10 anti-BoB responses within a blink of an eye...

And tbh, arguing (and stating) that ppl should be "dealt with" because they want to express thir frustration of developers (allegedly) cooperating in-game with alliances, is simply outrageous.

So BoB, really, just don't bother - you'll get more hated than you already are.

Kaldaine
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:08:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Blacklight
To be honest I'm more interested how CCP intend to deal with a particular element of the player base who think that just because their personal drama llama is on the loose it's then ok to spam these forums to the degree that they have to be taken down to deal with it.




I too am worried about this. How will I be able to cheat if this continues?

Fabienne Runestar
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:08:00 - [131]
 

You can't sweep this one under the rug like you swept the BoB T2 Cynonet chain accessible to BoB directors set up by their then director of capital ships known as T20. Oh wait you changed the EULA on that, that password sharing is at your own risk, and made it seem like it had always been the caae.


We demand answers beyond what's been given to us.


MacromediaDocumentFormat
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:09:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: 8ObliVioN8
I want the truth first, justice later.


True justice can only be had when the truth is known by all.

ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:09:00 - [133]
 

Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 26/05/2007 00:08:58
nm


Sen Xia
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:09:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Bob Socko
If it was just to fix a POS, he would have let the CEO know. If he really did forget, it all could have been cleared up by responding to the petition - rather than deleting the petition outright.



I think there is another big lesson to be learned here. The only reason goons had to blitz the forums is because CCP has shown us we have no other viable ways to make these issues heard. If people want this behavior to stop, then CCP needs to figure out a better way to handle its PR disasters that doesn't involve deleting threads and disabling forums.

Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp
KenZoku
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:10:00 - [135]
 

A bunch of people (Hi Goonies) emo-declaring the "END OF EVE AAAAAAAA" is cute when most of them have only been around 5 months and were attracted to it for the very reason that it's full of anarchic sillyness.
On a t20 scale of scandalness this is about a 0.00001. Credit for being able to make dramamountains out of molehills though!


Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:10:00 - [136]
 

The stuff about the POS is only one part of the complaint.

Seems like CCP is doing what they did when the t20 **** hit the fan and pretending the more serious allegations didn't happen.

I wonder how many subscribers this round of BoB cheating will cost CCP?

Caligulus
Legion of Lost Souls
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:10:00 - [137]
 

/me awaits to hear what clever spin the PR department will put on it. Not that i'll ever believe a lickin' word CCP says ever again. I feel sorry for CCP's business partners. They're all going down in flames.

it's been my experience that you just NEVER trust anything a PR person says on behalf of a company. It all smacks of lies and agendas. As soon as I find a new game to play i'm gone. **** this ****.

CmdrJamesStarbucks
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:10:00 - [138]
 

I think it's pretty clear that this is true, given CCP's acknowledgment of the issue. If it wasn't true, they would have not deleted the petition, and secondly they would not have had to take down the forums to hide/deny the issue, and then continue by lying in their press/news release. You don't need director access to fix a POS (that doesn't have a problem).

SuperSarge
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:10:00 - [139]
 

Edited by: SuperSarge on 26/05/2007 00:09:35
CCP for the lose. I cancelled my account :)
@above poster, its what i'm probably doing

Jin Entres
Malevolent Intervention
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:11:00 - [140]
 

All I see is some wild accusations with proof for only the smallest of them (Sharkbait in DS1). If true, even partially, I admit the matters are serious. But it could also just be social engineering, for all we know. And quite frankly I trust CCP enough to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Shadow Elk
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:11:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Banana Torres
The stuff about the POS is only one part of the complaint.

Seems like CCP is doing what they did when the t20 **** hit the fan and pretending the more serious allegations didn't happen.

I wonder how many subscribers this round of BoB cheating will cost CCP?


Just say no to cheating

Hebachica
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:11:00 - [142]
 

We no longer play EVE Online

We now play Corruption Online

Xalorn
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:11:00 - [143]
 

This still doesn't address the ISD scandal.
If someone in bob has the ability to directly influence someones termination, that person has extreme influence to do other things as well.

Biswen
Back to Yarrr
SCUM.
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:12:00 - [144]
 

Well I think this is the end of EvE for me. I'll stay couple of days to see how CCP handles this, but I've really had enough now.
And yes ... you can have my stuff when I quit.

goober
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:12:00 - [145]
 

i am wondering what it will take to get my money back from the 2 years of playing a game in which the devs themselves were in violation of almost every rule created to keep this game inline

Kirjava
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:12:00 - [146]
 

Edited by: Kirjava on 26/05/2007 00:11:40
Madness.

Kraken Sra'vik
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:12:00 - [147]
 

Nah for you it works out of game too. Pretty much any bomb for that matter.

hybridundertaker
Amarr
coracao ardente
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:12:00 - [148]
 

lol a guy posts a nice write up with only 2 jpegs as proofs and the forums get crashed.

1st i dont trust that guy, whoever he claims to be (why came out of closet now, with so many projects and games why even care?)

2nd i dont give a **** if a ccp member enters my corp to test if the bug has been removed or whatevah

3rd bob guys in local vanting about how they can get ccp to do stuff for them is more like a joke (did u notice they name their ship DEVS, u forgot to mention that hard proof) then any proof at all

4th can i have your stuff guys?YARRRR!!

5th WTB cheap high sp chars!ugh

6th LOOsers bitter very much? LaughingLaughingLaughing

7th forums deteriorate evn more (i never thought that would be possible) with goons posting, can they pls go back to their own forums... pls...

Steam Pipe
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:13:00 - [149]
 

"A bunch of people (Hi Goonies) emo-declaring the "END OF EVE AAAAAAAA" is cute when most of them have only been around 5 months and were attracted to it for the very reason that it's full of anarchic sillyness.
On a t20 scale of scandalness this is about a 0.00001. Credit for being able to make dramamountains out of molehills though!"

cheating is cheating regardless of its magnitude.

ihk
Posted - 2007.05.26 00:14:00 - [150]
 

hello. hello interstellar services department slash internal affairs department at ccp.

have you read through the open letter end to end and noted that there were three matters to be handled
i know the wall of text after the sharkbait allegations(which i personally was sceptical about as even various goonfleet members put the good word out for him) might seem very threatening to the company with representatives like kieron who have absolutely no goddamn handle on the english language.

here let me spell it out in simple english. there were three different allegations. your response is a ****ing smoke screen as is everything else you have ever been able to throw at your ever so increasingly aggravated playerbase.


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