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Cpt Pugwash
Caldari
Rubra Libertas Militia
Posted - 2007.05.17 11:53:00 - [1]
 

4 years of Eve has brought more Myths than anyone could attempt to address in a lifetime but I will try from time to time to address some of the more prevelent Myths.

Such as:
The lag/Bugs get worse as eve gets older
The mutual fall of Curse and Stain alliances.
The relationship between dominant alliances and their "pets"

And todays special kindly provided by DBP Preacher

Originally by: DB Preacher
Why do you think we moved south in the first place?

Outside of crok heaven, the rest of the regions were crap from our perspective whereas delve and the surrounding areas were isk rich and had massive potential for development.


Found in this thread Linkagelocked because the op was in a NPC corp. not for the above statement.

There can be no doubt that Bobs strength owes a lot to it's economic might, driven on the back of what is probably the richest region in all New Eden.
There have been many threads over which is the richest region , in the Past Fountain has generally held ascendency, but more recently concensus has shifted toward Delve. In light of this it would look favourable if Bob leadership could claim it was wise choice to pick Delve rather than a stroke of good fortune


The power of Bob has not come solely from the Riches found in Delve but I doubt they would have been the force they are today without it's massive riches.

So was it a smart move by bob to move to Delve or a lucky break?

Delve riches :-
1, One of if not the best regions for Complexes.
2, High level good Quality Pirate Agents
3, A mixture of some of the best Asteriods for miners Bistot, Crokite and Mercoxite (possibly Arkanor as I am not a miner I do not spend much time checking out individual asteroids)

At the time Bob moved to Delve the Complexes were not the isk making machines they are today.

When Bob moved to Delve there were no NPC stations in the region. The stations along with the high quality agents were moved to Delve after Bob settled the region. furthermore bob were granted the standings to run these agents as a gift from CCP when the stations were moved to Delve (as if the new found riches of these NPC agents wasn't enough already)

3, At the time that Bob moved to Delve The crokite found in the north in abundance was the choice of the smart miner.

So despite the claims of DB Preacher, and it is neither the first time he has claimed this, nor is he the first Bob member to make such a claim. The reasons behind Bobs move to Delve are much more likely to have been because they had just stabbed Fountain Alliance in the back and Delve was easier for them to conqueor than Fountain itself.

So as only after Bob had settled Delve did it become the richest region in New Eden, or even any thng more than a staging post for attacks on Fountain. Claims that they chose Delve for it's riches are nothing more than a Bob Myth.


Coming soon - The lag/Bugs get worse as eve gets older

This one was brought home recently when talking to a month old new player. I mentioned how when i started playing in 2003 I would set my alarm for the earliy hours of the morning so I could get up and change skill. He responded that he sets a long skill when he goes to bed and trains shorter skills when he is playing. Took me a while to realise why i wasn't so smart as a noob. Back in 2003 if you changed a skill part way through you lost all the training you had done for that level before the change Shocked



Grimster
Minmatar
Reikoku
Posted - 2007.05.17 11:59:00 - [2]
 

It's great to see that after all this time you're still waving the BoB fanboi flag.

Nice to know there are some constants in the universe.

Fitz Chivalry
Gallente
Vengeance Imperium
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:01:00 - [3]
 

Interesting.

/me sits back and waits for: (i) lock, (ii) avalanche of "tin foil hat" comments, and/or (iii) posts consisting of nothing but rolly-eye smilies.

DB Preacher
Minmatar
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:04:00 - [4]
 

/me shrugs

Me, dianabolic and galavet sat down and took a week to look at the map with regards every single aspect of the game at that time and that was the decision we made.

I'm not sure what exactly you are asking with your post except generally trying to call me a liar with no real reasoning behind it.

Do you have direct accusations or are you simply bored?

dbp

LUKEC
Amarr
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:04:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Cpt Pugwash

2, High level good Quality Pirate Agents



Your myth busting ends here.

1. no good kill agent(read hi agent quality), best "kill" agent has q11, while other factions(guri/sansha) have multiple q20 agents in same station
2. blood agents practically have no search function(best locator agent is lvl2, only usable for same region)

It's quite safe to say: blood raiders are worst 0.0 pirate faction to run missions for.

So don't post stuff you have no clue about.

Velsharoon
Gallente
Arcane Velshologies
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:05:00 - [6]
 

Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes

Beyond Horizon
Caldari
Solar Dragons
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:05:00 - [7]
 

Think you spelled his name incorrectly =/

Royaldo
Gallente
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:05:00 - [8]
 

what what in the butt!!

given standings to the blood agents that used to be in bleak lands? surely this isnt true.

Blacklight
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:07:00 - [9]
 

Here we go again......

Rolling Eyes

Beyond Horizon
Caldari
Solar Dragons
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:11:00 - [10]
 

Yay, servers up \o/ no more shiat reading \o/

Yaz digs cameltoes btw :P

Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
GeoCorp.
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:12:00 - [11]
 

Delve riches :-
1, One of if not the best regions for Complexes.


Wrong, Feythabolis or maybe Esoteria.

2, High level good Quality Pirate Agents

Wrong, Stain and Venal and probably Fountain have way better quality agents, with better faction ships and better pirate implants as angent offers.

3, A mixture of some of the best Asteriods for miners Bistot, Crokite and Mercoxite (possibly Arkanor as I am not a miner I do not spend much time checking out individual asteroids)

Wrong again, there is no Arkonor in PB or Delve. The best region for mining right now would be Feythabolis or Cache. Crokite used to be really good though, but that was abundant in the north.

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:13:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 17/05/2007 12:13:22
Well some of your mythbusting is incorrect..

Changing skills in the middle never cost you training time, not in retail anyway, i'm 100% sure of this ;P


When CCP decided to move the blood raider NPC HQ region from empire to Delve BoB were ****ed off, not really sure why but I'm sure they had good reasons.
10 people in BoB recieved high standings with the blood raider agents to "make up" for this, and it was done via aurora/roleplaying.
If you were mythbusting you should mention the rumors that they got a bhaalgorn fleet Very Happy


I'll bust another myth since just correcting OP and not contributing would be rude;

t0rfifrans roleplaying a jovian in a jovian newbie frigate dropped a Nibelung T5 mining laser a long time ago, somehow Taggart Transdimensional acquired it from the guy who had been roleplaying with t0rfi in local and CCP forced them to exchange it for a miner II bpo (the first one ingame I believe)

That is the only nibelung that was released, early SA did not have dozens of them spawned for devs to use and cheat with.



Hmm what else...

m0o corp never really got owned by the gamemasters, they just lost like 1 suicidally piloted cruiser to the 4 concord battleship flying GMs that came after them, amusingly another GM teleported a m0o gatecamp 30 jumps shortly after that event..

The latter event was just some newbie GM messing up tho, wish I knew which one it was ;P



Let's see... I'm not sure if it ever worked to logoff and then login an alt to make the former disappear instantaneously, never tried it but according to devs it never worked, anyone know for sure ?


Anyone got more ?

Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Warri0rs
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:17:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Anyone got more ?


Yeah, I heard that your sig was a picture of a Malediction........ Cool

Petter Sandstad
Gallente
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:38:00 - [14]
 

There is the myth that when Jovian space will be opened up, it's entry-point will be from Venal. This myth has been going since retail hit during E3 in LA in March 2003. This information was given by Mike Wallis (Campion, S&SI Producer of EVE, now no longer an employee of CCP) during E3. When (if) Jovian space gets opened up, we will see whether this is a myth or not.

MortyM
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:40:00 - [15]
 

It is a myth that CCP ever had any concreate plans for the jove beyond: "would be could to do something with them at some point".

Xrak
Caldari
Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:45:00 - [16]
 

I would be more then happy if all the NPC stations were removed from Delve.

Max Teranous
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:50:00 - [17]
 

What about the one where if you pop the roids they don't come back as much, so you have to leave them with just a little bit of ore in ? ugh

/Mining Coalition

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:50:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Changing skills in the middle never cost you training time, not in retail anyway, i'm 100% sure of this ;P


When CCP decided to move the blood raider NPC HQ region from empire to Delve BoB were ****ed off, not really sure why but I'm sure they had good reasons.
10 people in BoB recieved high standings with the blood raider agents to "make up" for this, and it was done via aurora/roleplaying.


I am pretty sure you are right about the skills.
In fact, switching skills directly was the approved method for changing skills, because cancelling training to start a different skill could have resulted in loss of SPs (IIRC).


As to the Blood NPC stations ...
The thing that an alliance which intends to control its space does not want is "open to all" NPC stations.
Using them as an example of bias towards BoB (as the OP is clearly tying to do), is crazy.
Take the damn things away.

Shiftless
Caldari
Peanut Factory
Good Sax
Posted - 2007.05.17 13:05:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Max Teranous
What about the one where if you pop the roids they don't come back as much, so you have to leave them with just a little bit of ore in ? ugh

/Mining Coalition



I'm 90% certain that the "don't pop the 'roids" thing had to do with keeping certain high-end ores in Empire space. CCP at one point removed the respawns on the high-ends in empire, however they did not remove the regeneration during down-time. So as long as a high-end 'roid wasn't popped, it would regenerate ore during the regular regeneration cycle.

Eventually CCP just removed the 'roids from empire, but people still seem to follow the old rule of not popping the 'roids for some unknown reason.

Serenity Steele
Caldari
Dynamic Data Distribution
Posted - 2007.05.17 13:07:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Serenity Steele on 17/05/2007 13:06:14
Since we're Myth busting today;

The fundamental reason for BoB's wealth (in order of history):
1) Industrious Acquisition of Tech II BPOs (Last 4 years)
2) Extensive moon mining across 4 regions (Last 2 years)
3) Complex farming (Last 1.5 years)
4) Renting out BoB controlled outpost (Last 1 year)

The stacking of all these activities combined is what makes BoB 'rich'.

It has very little to do with the region of Delve specifically, but more to their approach to the game. Don't forget the quality of Delve was nuked with NPC stations and the smuggler gateways.




Raem Civrie
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.17 13:17:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Anyone got more ?


Yeah, I heard that your sig was a picture of a Malediction........ Cool


It isn't actually. That's a weather balloon.

Common mistake.

Gungankllr
Caldari
Hard Rock Mining Co.
Territorial Claim Unit
Posted - 2007.05.17 13:20:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: DB Preacher
/me shrugs

Me, dianabolic and galavet sat down and took a week to look at the map with regards every single aspect of the game at that time and that was the decision we made.

I'm not sure what exactly you are asking with your post except generally trying to call me a liar with no real reasoning behind it.

Do you have direct accusations or are you simply bored?

dbp


Oh, what a surprise, we've gone into "Proof or STFU" mode again.

After everything that's happened over the last three months can you blame anybody for feeling like you guys haven't recieved preferential treatment?

Anybody in an interceptor can fly through Delve and see a complex every couple of jumps.

I remember getting quoted on OMGRAWR about a year ago pointing this out WAY before all these incidents took place.

Quote:
Gungankllr > Now I know why BoB is rich, there's a complex in every god damned system in Delve
Virtuozzo > hm
Virtuozzo > nice region, we'll take it then
Ratboy Deblade > where have I heard that before 0.o



Sure, feel free to make fun of everything but the first line, but make sure you read that one.

CCP should have taken an average number of complexes scattered across a region instead of superseeding one region with complexes.

To wit:

If the Guristas have a total of 18 complexes spread across three regions, then each region should have 6 complexes.

If the Blood Raiders maintain soverignity over one region, they should have a total of 6 complexes spread over that one region.

The only time I think that anything should deviate from a specific formulae would be for RP reasons as set by CCP and doccumented in the official backstory.

One thing I would like to see is making complexes destructible, by running the complex then for instance, destroying a control tower at the end or some other trigger.

ISK farming alliances (Regardless whatever they do with the isk at the end) would have to think twice about how they operate if they knew that their 10/10 just got blown up and was in reinforced/offline for a week.

Anyhow, I'd suggest that from now on instead of insisting that people making accusations against provide the burden of proof you take the initiative and do so yourself, because to be quite frank your credibility is lacking as a direct result of current events.

.




Seldarine
Minmatar
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2007.05.17 13:26:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Cpt Pugwash


Coming soon - The lag/Bugs get worse as eve gets older

This one was brought home recently when talking to a month old new player. I mentioned how when i started playing in 2003 I would set my alarm for the earliy hours of the morning so I could get up and change skill. He responded that he sets a long skill when he goes to bed and trains shorter skills when he is playing. Took me a while to realise why i wasn't so smart as a noob. Back in 2003 if you changed a skill part way through you lost all the training you had done for that level before the change Shocked






No they didnt.

In 2003 if you aborted a skill training you lost all skillpoints trained on it. If you simply started a new skill training the previous skill would stop where you left off.

DB Preacher
Minmatar
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2007.05.17 13:29:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: DB Preacher on 17/05/2007 13:31:23
Nah it wasn't a proof or stfu statement gungan, it was more like "Was there a point to your post?" I didn't really get what he was trying to say.

Much the same as I thought after I read your post tbh...

eh?

I've explained the decision we took in depth and explained every angle of why we took that decision. So like I said, I don't really understand the post.

dbp

Corphus
Gallente
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.05.17 13:30:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Anyone got more ?


Yeah, I heard that your sig was a picture of a Malediction........ Cool


LOL dude u took the fact list i posted a looong time ago and made sigs out of it Very Happy
i hope u took No. 4 on the list (the minmatar/typhoon) aswell Cool

*me refreshes the site to see all the other ones*

V4MPIRELLA
Caldari
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.17 13:31:00 - [26]
 

My conspiracy theory is that if i got the standing of 10.0 Caldari Faction and 10.0 AMARR or Gallente and minmatar same they may give me a navy fleet to raid the other hostile entitys when rev 2 come or later in the game :)

AvanCade
Gallente
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.05.17 13:31:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Gungankllr

Stuff



A year or more ago you were in bob running those 6/10s do not forget. When it suited you, i did not hear you screaming this is unfair?

Your incompetence as a pilot then still shows now. When it suits you, you are happy, when it does not throwing blame at others.

I am sick off lame ass idiots bringing the topic about our credibilty to these forums over and over again. Tell you what grow balls and come and fight us eh, ingame not the forums.

Mr Abbadon
Caldari
Atheist Enterprises
Posted - 2007.05.17 13:39:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Gungankllr

Stuff



A year or more ago you were in bob running those 6/10s do not forget. When it suited you, i did not hear you screaming this is unfair?

Your incompetence as a pilot then still shows now. When it suits you, you are happy, when it does not throwing blame at others.

I am sick off lame ass idiots bringing the topic about our credibilty to these forums over and over again. Tell you what grow balls and come and fight us eh, ingame not the forums.


Go back a few months and look on the BoD posts, it may enlighten you.

Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.17 13:44:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Beyond Horizon
Yay, servers up \o/ no more shiat reading \o/

Yaz digs cameltoes btw :P



My title is not my fault , it is kryztal's fault Sad

Fi T'Zeh
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.05.17 13:45:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 17/05/2007 12:13:22

When CCP decided to move the blood raider NPC HQ region from empire to Delve BoB were ****ed off, not really sure why but I'm sure they had good reasons.
10 people in BoB recieved high standings with the blood raider agents to "make up" for this, and it was done via aurora/roleplaying.
If you were mythbusting you should mention the rumors that they got a bhaalgorn fleet Very Happy



The reason we were ****ed off is that we were desparate that delve wouldn't become fountain II i.e. somewhere that random gankers could dock, and we couldn't do anything about it. We like our securable space innit.


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