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Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
Posted - 2007.05.15 19:48:00 - [31]
 

No bliss. You do not hide your views. It is your allegiance that is not plainly stated. Are you still with Intaki Union? And what banner does Intaki Union fly under now that they have left Aegis Militia, so I heard? Your claim to speak as a Minmatar but you fly with the enemies of the Minmatar. This is why whenever you speak your words ring hollow.

As to Sylph, it was with sadness that I heard that our comradeship had turned sour. The Slammers are revelling in their new found slaver status, and these are the people who you sided with, they too we fought for against IAC. Even though Maggot offered you diplomancy, this has failed, you have made your choice. So be it.

Black Necris
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Damu'Khonde
Posted - 2007.05.15 23:18:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Black Necris on 15/05/2007 23:16:29
Bliss, you claim to know something you are not witness off.

I was there the day Alois Hammer (slammers republic) refused to return the system they stole from us. I was in the system in question trying to persuade Alois of not taking his ppl to the path that would only bring them to their doom.

It was during that conversation with Alois that Sylph decided to set us UK as red, claiming that they would support the Slammers Republic claim for that system, exactly one day before the atack on 9UY from CVA (any coincidences???).

I was there in local and talking with Alois when a gang of +30 Sylph came into the system to mock 4 UK's and bloathing about how they where now where red to us, and belive me, they where still blue to me.

I was talking to them in local comms and to resume i simply asked "will sylph shoot at me if i warp to a gate???"
(they being blue to me still) and the anwser was yes... my answer to them??? "well then ill shoot sylph also"

If you ask me, im happy they set us as red, cose now they finally choosed a side, even if they try to pull magician tricks to say we set them to red first.

And to you Bliss, i want to ask you not to affirm something you dont have proofs off, i for instance have proofs of my claims...

*Black Necris asks Aurora to search for the local comunications on the day in question.

Lieutenant Jackson
Odessa Operations
Sylph Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.17 02:57:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Lieutenant Jackson on 17/05/2007 02:57:14
i wont speak for Sylph but i know what i've experienced over the past month or so that i have been in Sylph space. We tried to be neutral and stay out of the fight, then UK employed the help of many known pirate corps, and that would have been fine with me except for the the fact the UK does not care who they attack, be it their. "former allies" or CVA or some poor neutral just trying to travel through the space. so what does UK expect their "former allies" to do?

sit around and get shot at and loose Industrial ships full of assests with out trying to stop them, and when they were out classed or out numbered they ran to UK space and docked at Unity. and more often than not the Sylph Gang would go back to Prom. only to have a small gang come back in and kill off some more "former aliies" i dont see how you could, with a straight face say that you didnt want a fight...

you wanted us to pick a side, and as far as im concerned im not siding with a alliance that harbors Pirates that prey on the weak and defenseless, then preach about freedom... like to remind you that i do not speak for Sylph just myself. but i think this has all happened from UK letting pirates into the region and giving them a place to hide/dock/whatever.

*snip* i know that because we were blue to both CVA and UK and had orders to not engage joint BUM(who are Red and UK knew they were Red, not to mention pirates) and UK gangs roaming in OUR space before we set you to red. now if thats not hostilities towards Sylph then i must be crazy.

It was all of UK's pirate friends, who have "great fighting skills" or however UK wants put it that have forced Sylph to make a move. and as far as i have seen Sylph has given UK every opportunity to ask their pirates "helpers" to stop attacking their "former allies" and have they, no. because why? because we wont help them in their war that we have no desire to get involved in?? so Sylph wont help UK fight CVA, so UK lets their "friends" attack their allies to force them to do what UK wants. seems to me that UK has said alot about themselves by trying to blame Sylph for responding to your pirate friends.

That is all i will say on this matter because whats done is done, just i think that needed to be said. from someone who has lost many million ISK in Badger loads and ships to pirates that UK supports and harbors. fly safe.

Please stay incharacter -Eldo Davip([email protected])

EveJoker
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2007.05.17 03:51:00 - [34]
 

So instead sylph chooses to ally and very promptly come to the aid of cva and their pirate mates IAC.

You couldnt of sunk the knife in the back, or twisted it harder if you tried.

Your own actions speak louder than words sylph.

OFC now that your long suspected position is clear now It will be with great pleasure that we exterminate your alliance of slaver sympathisers.

Vistoxia Marigos
Posted - 2007.05.17 04:13:00 - [35]
 

*snip* Reference to deleted content removed -Eldo Davip([email protected])

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i know that because we were blue to both CVA and UK and had orders to not engage joint BUM(who are Red and UK knew they were Red, not to mention pirates) and UK gangs roaming in OUR space before we set you to red. now if thats not hostilities towards Sylph then i must be crazy.

I am missing something here, You were blue to CVA & UK, yet us being blue to BUM even though you are red to them is an act of hostility? UK passing through your space, when set to blue? an act of hostility? I shall call you crazy.

Parsor Evarkis
Minmatar
Thrace Inc
Posted - 2007.05.17 04:24:00 - [36]
 

^ Message was from me, must have been a mixup in the FTL transmitions

Lieutenant Jackson
Odessa Operations
Sylph Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.17 04:48:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Lieutenant Jackson on 17/05/2007 04:47:44
Edited by: Lieutenant Jackson on 17/05/2007 04:46:33
Yes.... that is hostility... when a "ally" comes into our space in the same gang as an enemy and they seem to work in tandem, looking for easy kills, yes. it is. when we were blue to UK and CVA. obviously we were Red to BUM due to their pirate affiliation. same way UK perceived Sylph working together with CVA as hostility on Sylph's part, which we arn't, and we went in only after we were both set to red and UK came into IS...... dont know if i made that clear in previous post. sorry. im not crazy. Very Happy

Taters
Minmatar
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.05.17 06:08:00 - [38]
 

Before this recent escalation of hostilities in providence, heres how it was.

Sylph had NAPs with both U'K and CVA.
U'K had NAPs with both Sylph and BUM.

CVA used sylph space (as a thoroughfare, and could dock at promethia)
BUM used U'K space (as a thoroughfare, and could dock at unity)

BUM shot at Sylph
CVA shot at U'K

Sylph did nothing to limit CVA shooting at U'K (who they were blue with)
U'K did nothing to limit BUM shooting at Sylph (who they were blue with)

U'K understood that Sylph could do nothing to stop CVA shooting U'K
Sylph expected U'K to stop BUM shooting Sylph.

As a result, one of U'K's systems sovereignty was stolen by Slammer's Republic (who were blue to both Sylph and U'K). U'K engaged in diplomatic talks with Slammer's, who refused to return the system, accepting no diplomatic solution.

U'K sets Slammer's to red for stealing sov.
Sylph sets U'K to red in response.
U'K sets Sylph red.

What happens from here has been explained in many different ways in many different places. Joint U'K/BUM gangs raid sylph space, Sylph attack U'K assets, Sylph spotted in slaver gangs in 9uy (and later in slaver POS' in 9uy).

At least finally now Sylph have displayed their intentions, and their true colours. U'K had done nothing to Sylph that Sylph had not done to U'K. The hypocrisy starts where Sylph expects U'K (while under siege by slavers as well as all the local pirate rabble) to police Slyph systems against BUM, while they run haulers to Slaver stations.



EveJoker
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2007.05.17 06:09:00 - [39]
 

Like in the same way UK was red to IAC, but blue to you? Stones in glasshouses and all.

UK put up with this knowing the IAC vs UK was nothing to do with you. Did we complain when they went to Sylph space?

Occasus Vim
Minmatar
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.05.17 07:58:00 - [40]
 

Taters has just explained it all as clearly as I think it can possibly be.

BCBArclight
The Scoundrels
Posted - 2007.05.17 10:09:00 - [41]
 

Slight flaw in your logic there:

CVA's allies didnt pirate neutrals and slyph
UK's allies pirated everyone

UK and CVA were both allowed to dock at Prom (I think). If UK's allies would have not pirated sylph they too would have been allowed to dock (guessing)

All this started with pirates attacking sylph

If CVA's allies did pirate I can most likly say CVA would get the same treatment.

*my views are my own and do not reflect Sylph's

Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.17 10:11:00 - [42]
 

Dont Troll -Eldo Davip([email protected])

GoddessHekate
Posted - 2007.05.17 10:16:00 - [43]
 

Dont Troll -Eldo Davip([email protected])

Morden Nok
Cohortes Vigilum
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.17 11:33:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Taters
Before this recent escalation of hostilities in providence, heres how it was.



As usual, Ushra'Khan are misrepresenting situation:

Originally by: Taters

Sylph had NAPs with both U'K and CVA.
U'K had NAPs with both Sylph and BUM.


Wrong.

Sylph had NAP with UK. Sylph was neutral to CVA as we do not set anyone who has UK napped blue.
UK had NAP with Sylph. UK was ALLIED with BUM.

Originally by: Taters

CVA used sylph space (as a thoroughfare, and could dock at promethia)
BUM used U'K space (as a thoroughfare, and could dock at unity)


Wrong again.

CVA used Sylph space to move through to QR as it was shortest route.
During QR-campaign CVA were under direct orders NOT to dock at Prometheia.
Basing out of Promethia would have forced Sylph to take sides as UK would have claimed that allowing CVA to base out from Promethia would have been act of aggression towards UK and that no honourable ally would do that. Which is viewpoint that I completely understand.

BUM were based out of Unity and raided Promethia from there with at least silent acceptance of UK. Though considering UK's current allies it is quite possible that UK leadership encouraged BUM to do it.

Note that I have said base out. Base out != able to dock. Saying that BUM only used 9U as thoroughfare is blatant lying and all sides know that.


Which brings us to the hypocrisy of UK "outrage" about CVA being allied with IAC after IAC stated that they would NBSI temporarily, considering the fact that UK had already allied not with one, but with two NBSI alliances.

They allied with Imperial Order, who were NBSI and used it as excuse to pirate in low-sec. After that came BUM.

Besides, Tyrrax has stated that they still do NRDS in Providence. I don't know how closely this is followed nor do they follow CVA version of NRDS which is very strict or UK version of NRDS where any neutral docking at Unity / having UK friendly in bio would be acceptable target which could be confused with NBSI.


Now UK is allied with multiple piratical entities and thus have lost all credibility from their claims of being anti-pirate. Though I understand why UK did it, I still personally (and believe that majority of CVA) subscribe to the view that as long as one has integrity, nothing else matters. And if one doesn't have integrity, nothing else matters.

Which is why we turned down the offer from Einherjar Rising to ally with them to attack UK.

kincajou niten
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.17 11:43:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Morden Nok

Now UK is allied with multiple piratical entities and thus have lost all credibility from their claims of being anti-pirate. Though I understand why UK did it, I still personally (and believe that majority of CVA) subscribe to the view that as long as one has integrity, nothing else matters. And if one doesn't have integrity, nothing else matters.



Wise words, brother.

Originally by: Morden Nok
Which is why we turned down the offer from Einherjar Rising to ally with them to attack UK.



Occasus Vim
Minmatar
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.05.17 12:55:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Morden Nok
Sylph had NAP with UK. Sylph was neutral to CVA as we do not set anyone who has UK napped blue.
UK had NAP with Sylph. UK was ALLIED with BUM.


Your standings towards Sylph are irrelevant here. The point being addressed is that Sylph had set CVA to blue.

BUM was blue in our standings due to their ISS days. When they initially arrived in Providence, we saw no reason to change it. We were not actively aiding them with their hostilities against Sylph, and in fact, most of us were unaware of that situation at first.

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CVA used Sylph space to move through to QR as it was shortest route. During QR-campaign CVA were under direct orders NOT to dock at Prometheia... [Truncated For Space (TFS)]

BUM were based out of Unity and raided Promethia from there with at least silent acceptance of UK... [TFS]Note that I have said base out. Base out != able to dock [TFS]


Sylph was also able to dock in Unity. As this stood then, U'K wasn't favoring one side or the other, we were neutral with regards to their conflict. Just because Sylph possess their own station does not mean U'K was arbitrarily "evening the odds" for BUM. Both could dock, and we were tending to internal issues at the time the situation arose, deciding how we should handle the many changes in climate that were starting to take place at this time.

As for Sylph's docking policy during the QR campaign, it was a credit to their neutrality, but the fact remains that both CVA and IAC, long time (and still present) hostile entities to U'K, can still "base" out of Promethia.

Still, none of this is what caused the changes in standings. The fact that our enemies can base out of the Sylph station did not move us to set Sylph red. Sylph set us red as a gesture of support to their allies, Hammer's Republic, who stole sovereignty from U'K in one of our systems. U'K could only set Sylph red in return, as we were now going to be targeted by them.

The crossed line Admiral Maggot is referring to is Sylph's decision to work with CVA directly. All previous hostilities might have stood a chance of being mended once supporting Hammer's Republic was no longer an issue for Sylph. They could have gone back to enjoying neutrality with U'K in the future. Now they have painted themselves in a red that will last far beyond this specific conflict.

Quote:
Now UK is allied with multiple piratical entities and thus have lost all credibility from their claims of being anti-pirate. Though I understand why UK did it, I still personally (and believe that majority of CVA) subscribe to the view that as long as one has integrity, nothing else matters. And if one doesn't have integrity, nothing else matters.


It is advantageous for CVA if U'K are expected to play CONCORD in Providence. They deride whoever they can as pirates in the hopes that our strength will be spent fighting "ne'erdowells". Some of our allies definitely have undeniable piratical history. Others are legitimate 0.0 entities without sovereignty, so they are lumped under the heading of "pirate" for the sake of the advantage in using it.

As for integrity - a man or woman enslaved cannot even aspire to have any, ever. Any individual or corporation who submits to the terms of a morally perverted, hegemonic power also lacks integrity, even if they eradicate the whole galaxy of pirates. Trading banditry for oppression is offering your children to the burglar to preserve your possessions. Neither is right in a perfect world, but it's not hard to see which is worse. Conviction is a luxury of those at the sidelines, and the game here is avoiding annihilation as a people.

And we shouldn't fail to point out that for even a pirate (or a "pirate" as it may be), every hour he spends shooting slavers and their supporters, he is not a pirate - he is a God****ed hero.

(Damned by the Amarrian God, of course)

Kalvor Azrael
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2007.05.17 14:35:00 - [47]
 


If the fall of ISS taught us anything, it is that your beliefs in your own neutrality are irrelevant.

The only thing that matters is how others perceive your neutrality.

Sylph's is in tatters.



Taters
Minmatar
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.05.17 14:58:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Morden Nok

Sylph had NAP with UK. Sylph was neutral to CVA as we do not set anyone who has UK napped blue.
UK had NAP with Sylph. UK was ALLIED with BUM.



Sylph had CVA set blue, CVA had sylph set neutral. CVA don't shoot neutrals. Exactly the same outcome as a NAP. U'K had identical standings to both BUM and Sylph.

Originally by: Morden Nok

CVA used Sylph space to move through to QR


Originally by: Morden Nok

BUM were based out of Unity and raided Promethia from there with at least silent acceptance of UK.


I don't even need to rebutt that. I don't know CVA orders like i don't know BUM orders. You were able to use their space freely, and launched an invasion through it. Making that sound lesser than BUM raiding gangs is laughable.

Originally by: Morden Nok

Though considering UK's current allies it is quite possible that UK leadership encouraged BUM to do it.


And you accuse me of mis-representing.

Slavery is a greater blight on providence than piracy will ever be. You slavers somehow hold the belief that you can drug people into submission, lock them in chains, force them against their will under pain of death or torture to serve you, and then come here and talk about integrity and credibility. I suggest you consider your own actions before you judge the actions of others. Your allies would to well to stop and take a long hard look at the morals and ideals of the slavers they fight beside. If they believe in your cruel ways, then they deserve every autocannon round they will receive. Whether it comes from the barrel of an Ushra'khan ship or not.

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Paradoxex
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.05.17 15:52:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Morden Nok

Which is why we turned down the offer from Einherjar Rising to ally with them to attack UK.


Let's address this issue and clear the air, as I was the primary contact for these conversations. When people throw hanging accusations like this out there without providing context or details, they are less making a point and more stirring the pot. Integrity has many definitions. To you, it means not allying with pirates, Morden. To me, part of it means not intentionally misleading others by omitting details.

Anyway, Einherjar Rising moved into Providence some months ago without initial aspiration to become embroiled in the UK/CVA conflict. Our aggression was generally focused at Brotherhood of Steel, an alliance with which we had prior history and whose members had generally offended the corp. We began a campaign to wrest them from the area. During this time we often fought UK, which had sovereignty over one of the systems in the area and whom often came to the defense of BoS. We operated NBSI in Providence, unequivocally, shooting Sylph, CVA, whomever would cross our path.

Most of these entities shot us on sight when we first moved in, as we have a legacy of operating NBSI, and were still on CVA's old and rarely reviewed KOS list, which many parties reference for their own standings. That said, there was never any attempt at this time to change standings with any party in Providence. We have always been an independent group at heart, and adapt only under especially compelling circumstances.

The conversation Morden is referring to occurred after ENH seized a small POS from Brotherhood of Steel in a daring expedition. We decided to place the small POS in Y-MPWL a couple days later, to test the constitution of the locals. As the POS was onlining, UK received word of our incursion and swiftly deployed a few dreads and support to the area. Unable to combat this group, we vacated the system, and sought alternatives.

One obvious choice was to contact CVA. The corp leadership that was online determined this to be worthwhile. Thus I got in contact with Lonewolfenight and asked him if CVA would like to take advantage of a situation and kill a few dreadnoughts. Lone was naturally skeptical, and asked if we were trying to get off CVA's KOS list. I evaded this question, only interested in saving our POS at the time. CVA did not send forces, but promised to discuss showing up when the POS came out of reinforced.

A day later I talked to Aralis about this possibility, and the conversation quickly degenerated into a discussion of whether or not we would convert to NRDS. Failing that, we were informed CVA would not aid "pirates." We were unwilling to convert, and that was the end of the conversation. I believe all subsequent chats with CVA about our standings have come to this same conclusion.

(Cont...)

Paradoxex
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.05.17 15:53:00 - [50]
 

My efforts to speak to CVA were utterly opportunistic and only in defense of our corporation. I admit that. UK is well aware they used to be in our crosshairs, and likewise. From our standpoint they were interfering with our affairs, and in their view we were in the middle of theirs. CVA was to serve as a hired gun to level the field, with ENH having no intention of a long term alliance.

CVA ended up declining the opportunity, and after a spirited fight UK, Sylph, and UCE helped to take down the small POS for good. That is the history of the incident.

It is important to note that corporations evolve as time passes. ENH is unique in that though we are elated when we blow up our enemies, or respect for them tends to grow based on their decorum. Such was the case with UK. As we gained a firmer grasp on the political landscape in Providence, we came to sympathize with their cause. Conversely, we found CVA's strong-arm diplomacy and doctrine distasteful. As the situation in Providence came to an apex, ENH decided to become involved.

Since then we have been heavily involved in several major UK ops, providing support and otherwise harassing enemy operations in UK space. I sincerely believe that our formal contribution to this conflict is beyond question, though I suppose that is for UK to decide.

Morden, you and your kind use a very broad brush when paining others as “pirates.” I’ve always known it had purposes for propaganda, but recently I’ve come to see the CVA definition as anachronistic at best, outmoded at worse. Pirates conventionally have no cause other than their own wallets, or their need to shed blood. ENH, as have many other groups you attribute the label to, have come to be motivated by a little more. I personally have come to care. ENH as a whole may have differing opinions, but one thing is resolute, we long ago came to the conclusion that given the choice we’d fight alongside UK rather than CVA. Their doctrine and your diplomacy have compelled these feelings.

Call us pirates if you wish. Call us whatever. The truth is, however, that a pirate by your definition is anyone CVA could not coerce into their fold. We will carry about our business regardless of our label, but as a courtesy given to a fellow capsuleer, I thought you should know.

***The history above is of my own recollection, and Mistress Suffering is officially the voice of ENH. Read this accordingly.***

Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.17 16:51:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Pezzle on 17/05/2007 16:51:14
Edited by: Pezzle on 17/05/2007 16:50:19
Perhaps we should set a few points right. ER has been visiting Providence and practicing NBSI for quite some time now. They were doing this in D2, they do it now. Their agenda and policies include NBSI. Their hostilities have made them KOS. To my knowledge they have no interest in changing.

ER attempted to use CVA, we did not bite. We remain steadfast in our purpose. We are easy to negotiate with and little is asked for. ER maintains NBSI. As this policy is bad for the region we oppose it. We will not apologize to ER for not being more in line with their 'agenda'.

CVA does not force anyone to fight for us. We do not threaten pilots into space. Those who wish to remain out of our conflict with UK and associated rebel forces can go about their business. This has been made more difficult by the new UK 'friends'.

Residents of the area are free to do whatever they will. It seems more have decided they do not want pirates having a haven.

At one time UK opposed these pirate forces, to their credit. Now they align with those who do not support that ideal. More and more who would practice NBSI in Providence 'pirates', if you will, come to roost in UK lands. More pilots have made the choice they make bad neighbors.

Fairly simple really.

Parallax Error
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.17 18:07:00 - [52]
 

1) You allow entities to base out of your Outpost which then go and shoot your local friends and neutrals.

2) You then wonder why on earth your local friends and neutrals take umbrage to this and engage in a fit of fist shaking and angry noises that a chimp would be proud of.

I'm not sure what to put this down to, the general lack of evolution in the Minmatar gene pool or the amount of time you've spent with ex-ISS pilots. Certainly strikes me as a similar situation that led to the IAC vs ISS war.

If only you'd accept god's light into your lives, things would be so much clearer. Such a waste.

Kalvor Azrael
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2007.05.18 15:14:00 - [53]
 

Sylph, you have fatally misunderstood our motivation.

It's not about Pirate or Anti-Pirate.

This is a war against slavery, and those who would support it. Ushra'Khan had felt that we could best wage this war by maintaining order within northern Providence, working with our neighbors to hold the slavers at bay. Given the occupation of Karishal's Defiance and the assault against Unity, this was obviously not the best decision.

The face of the war has changed. We have raised the Khumaak and call to all those who would stand against the tyranny of the Amarr Empire and its paramilitary forces.

If this means flying with those who practice NBSI, I welcome them.
If this means flying with those who have fought against us before, I cherish their spirit and their independence.
If this means flying with those who have the direst reputations, I embrace their destiny.

I would fly alongside the devil himself to rid New Eden of slavery.




Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2007.05.18 15:19:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 18/05/2007 15:18:09

The Sylph Alliance claimed to be NRDS and to respecting of our neutrality when we passed through their outpost system with a sizeable gang of warships. We exchanged pleasantries and assured them we'd take no hostile action against their vessels unless we were aggressed first.

All was fine.

Then yesterday a Sylph Alliance pilot joined a CVA gang (including an Aeon class Mothership) in Misaba and aggressed Star Fraction ships without warning, provocation or negotiation.

Hence we believe it is proven that Sylph alliance is an organisation of honourless dogs clinging to the CVA coat-tails and worthy of no respect whatsoever.

They are not NRDS
They are not "anti-pirate"
They are simply CVA suckteats without independent foreign policy


This matter is proven by combat and conversation logs and is beyond question.



KhanJohn
Amarr
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
Posted - 2007.05.18 15:26:00 - [55]
 

As always the CVA propaganda machine enters full swing...

there is only one constant that should be known and since my fellow Amarrans are too blinded by their doctrine ill spell it out slowly and easily for you...

YOU KEEP SLAVES

>>>>>>>

WE FIGHT FOR THEIR FREEDOM

>>>>>>>

THE KHUMAAK HAS BEEN RAISED

>>>>>>>

THIS IS A SYMBOL OF DEFIANCE AND A CALL TO ARMS

>>>>>>>

ANYONE WHO FOLLOWS THE CALL TO ARMS IS THY FRIEND

>>>>>>>

ANYONE WHO DOES NOT AND ALLIES WITH CVA IS ALLYING WITH THEIR PRINCIPLES MAKING THEM ACCOMPLICES TO THE MURDER OF BILLIONS

>>>>>>>

SYLPH HAVE MADE THEIR BED THEY WILL NOW REST WITH IT AND DIE AS ANOTHER INDOCTRINED MEATSHIELD

>>>>>>>

ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT

end of story....if you have any questions come to 9uy and ill be happy to explain them to you with your purification....at the barrel of my lasers

CiderKing
Gallente
Perpetua Umbra
The Last Brigade
Posted - 2007.05.18 18:07:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: CiderKing on 18/05/2007 18:06:15
If you check the logs (ie killboards) you will see that more non-CVA members have been killed by UK's new "friends" than CVA members. Hence BOS leaving Prov.....

-Cider

Mae West
Armadillo Industries
Posted - 2007.05.18 18:50:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Mae West on 18/05/2007 18:48:58
Originally by: KhanJohn
As always the CVA propaganda machine enters full swing...

there is only one constant that should be known and since my fellow Amarrans are too blinded by their doctrine ill spell it out slowly and easily for you...

YOU KEEP SLAVES

>>>>>>>

WE FIGHT FOR THEIR FREEDOM

>>>>>>>

THE KHUMAAK HAS BEEN RAISED

>>>>>>>

THIS IS A SYMBOL OF DEFIANCE AND A CALL TO ARMS

>>>>>>>

ANYONE WHO FOLLOWS THE CALL TO ARMS IS THY FRIEND

>>>>>>>

ANYONE WHO DOES NOT AND ALLIES WITH CVA IS ALLYING WITH THEIR PRINCIPLES MAKING THEM ACCOMPLICES TO THE MURDER OF BILLIONS

>>>>>>>

SYLPH HAVE MADE THEIR BED THEY WILL NOW REST WITH IT AND DIE AS ANOTHER INDOCTRINED MEATSHIELD

>>>>>>>

ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT

end of story....if you have any questions come to 9uy and ill be happy to explain them to you with your purification....at the barrel of my lasers


Khan... Man you gotta chill out a little... I understand you want to free the whoevers and that you are really upset that those guys have them, and that these other people are shooting at you.
But in my opinion if you get so wound up over these things you’re going to have a heart attack.... and having a heart attack won't help you free those guys and you won't have the opportunity to get all gangsta on me.

zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2007.05.18 19:05:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: zoolkhan on 18/05/2007 19:03:44
Originally by: BCBArclight
Slight flaw in your logic there:

CVA's allies didnt pirate neutrals and slyph
UK's allies pirated everyone



damn i would have almost fallen for this bit of propaganda, but then i recalled
the chronology. Thats WAR and not piracy.

taters comparison - was chronologically BEFORE uk called in the list of current allies.

BUM were the only ones you call pirates, and they had an issue with you only and fully respected our NRDS request in the uk conrolled territories.

The situation now is not the situation that let us here - NOW
we have allies that are not so selective in their choice of targets
and NOW ushra'khan doesnt even care anymore, for whom should we care?
Only for our own people! And we are closer to their liberation than during the entire past year when we protected you and your snakeheads.

Yohn Kalvin
Posted - 2007.05.19 07:49:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Yohn Kalvin on 19/05/2007 07:52:27
Edited by: Yohn Kalvin on 19/05/2007 07:49:01
I am merely an observer and an explorer. In these interesting times I have come to the Mandate and near the Minmatar Republic to observe current events. They are interesting indeed. Allow me to comment on an observation and forgive me if my opinion is clouded by my Amarrian one sidedness even as I try to remain impartial.

I think it is clear that U'K's propaganda while true in its aim to liberate slaves, from what they falsely perceive to be the evil slave-masters, has turned into something ugly and bitter; far removed from their original concept. While fighting for the freedom of slaves they have become a grotesque group of individuals and have lost all appeal they might have had among their own kin which see them today as savage brutes on a path of self destruction from which there is no return. And now they are conjoined with pirates.

One of them said that they would side with the Devil himself in order to free the salves. What if the Mandate would offer the slaves freedom in exchange for a pact of absolute union and restructuring of Matari society under Ammatar guidance?

One thing is clear at this point. Not all pirates in EVE are cohorts of U'K but all of U'K is cohorting with Pirates.
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Hori To
Masuat'aa Matari
Posted - 2007.05.19 11:36:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Yohn Kalvin
One of them said that they would side with the Devil himself in order to free the salves. What if the Mandate would offer the slaves freedom in exchange for a pact of absolute union and restructuring of Matari society under Ammatar guidance?


I would consider this if I felt it was sincere. Interesting argument and refreshing to see from the amarr side of the camp.


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