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Xantia Gedur
Minmatar
House of Gedur
Posted - 2007.05.14 11:13:00 - [1]
 

I'm sure people find it annoying in this cesspool of propoganda that is called the corporations forum when kill figures are seemingly pulled out of the sky, wrapped in ego and purported as 'the truth'.

Lets say Alliance B decides not to post all its losses and decides to exaggerate its kills, how can this information be verified without doing a survey of the entire participants of the fights? Personal killboards have always been notoriously known for bias and people have a habit of 'forgetting' to post killmail losses.

Maybe it's time we ask CCP for some kind of ingame killboard system so people can look ingame for truthful statistics?

Not only would it help in anaylsing honest statistics in alliance conflicts but it would also be useful for clients of mercenaries. Mercenaries who report to thier clients (often through these boards) how much they've killed on a contract when such information is only based on thier word and could be nothing more than an exaggeration of the truth to secure a extended contract.

It doesn't even end there, with factional warfare on the horizon, the need for accurate statistics in EVE is more important than ever.


Kane Jacobs
Caldari
Citadel of dark arts
Posted - 2007.05.14 11:18:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Xantia Gedur
I'm sure people find it annoying in this cesspool of propoganda that is called the corporations forum when kill figures are seemingly pulled out of the sky, wrapped in ego and purported as 'the truth'.

Lets say Alliance B decides not to post all its losses and decides to exaggerate its kills, how can this information be verified without doing a survey of the entire participants of the fights? Personal killboards have always been notoriously known for bias and people have a habit of 'forgetting' to post killmail losses.

Maybe it's time we ask CCP for some kind of ingame killboard system so people can look ingame for truthful statistics?

Not only would it help in anaylsing honest statistics in alliance conflicts but it would also be useful for clients of mercenaries. Mercenaries who report to thier clients (often through these boards) how much they've killed on a contract when such information is only based on thier word and could be nothing more than an exaggeration of the truth to secure a extended contract.

It doesn't even end there, with factional warfare on the horizon, the need for accurate statistics in EVE is more important than ever.




And miss out on a gazillion flamewars about stats?... NeverLaughing

Sapphrine
Caldari
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2007.05.14 11:19:00 - [3]
 

follow the dev blogs :) Much of what you're asking is in the pipe already i believe.

Akyan
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2007.05.14 11:22:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Sapphrine
follow the dev blogs :) Much of what you're asking is in the pipe already i believe.


I was going to say, if you listen to the latest live dev blog they actually take about this. They are going to be completely overhauling the kill mail system, so that you no longer recieve a mail but access it through your character datasheet. It will be then within the database rather than just a spammed out eve mail, so that they may provide an api to the data.

ZenTex
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
Posted - 2007.05.14 11:24:00 - [5]
 

So many things are in the pipe already. For years.

but yeah, I wholeheartedly support this. Can't be too hard to implement?

Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.14 11:36:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Akyan
Originally by: Sapphrine
follow the dev blogs :) Much of what you're asking is in the pipe already i believe.


I was going to say, if you listen to the latest live dev blog they actually take about this. They are going to be completely overhauling the kill mail system, so that you no longer recieve a mail but access it through your character datasheet. It will be then within the database rather than just a spammed out eve mail, so that they may provide an api to the data.


CCP have said so many things,
don't hope for anything until it hits SiSi.

EVIL SYNNs
Minmatar
Wrath of Fenris
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2007.05.14 11:47:00 - [7]
 

I have never known an alliance to purposly(spelling) hold back kill mails.

I always stand by this statement. If I look good on your killboard I'm good. If I look good on my killboard I just look good!

Noluck Ned
Gallente
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.05.14 11:53:00 - [8]
 

The only argument against this has always been: : eve is not counter strike, stats/e-peen waving ftl ect ect.

I dont mind everybody knowing how often I died but I dunno if I want everyone to know how bad I am at killing stuffWink


Fitz Chivalry
Gallente
Vengeance Imperium
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2007.05.14 11:55:00 - [9]
 

I cant think of many things worse than a central killboard. The game is already too stats obsessed, just read any battle reoprt on here.

If what you want to create is a 100 bad BE clones obsessed with getting the number 1 overall spot then go right ahead.

Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.14 11:58:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Sapphrine
follow the dev blogs :) Much of what you're asking is in the pipe already i believe.
I must of missed that one, can you please give me a link?

This board would be good if it protects some info, like time and systems. Otherwise people will be able to follow a gangs tracks around the map/find camps etc.

Haks'he Lirky
Caldari
Durgarnir
Posted - 2007.05.14 12:25:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 14/05/2007 12:24:00
Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 14/05/2007 12:22:58
Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Originally by: Sapphrine
follow the dev blogs :) Much of what you're asking is in the pipe already i believe.
I must of missed that one, can you please give me a link?

This board would be good if it protects some info, like time and systems. Otherwise people will be able to follow a gangs tracks around the map/find camps etc.


The written transcript is all messed up now it seems

linkage to transcript thread

But I got the impression that it would not be publicly available information unless you wanted it to be, and I also got the impression that the information would be XML approacable in a similar manner as the character sheet.

EDIT: oh and you can of course listen to the live dev blog where this was discussed here.

papaPadla
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.05.14 13:03:00 - [12]
 

im down with that... though i don't think that a character based thing has any "value" unless ure crazy about stats... would be interesting to have something like a centralised killboard... i hope that would help get a clear picture of what happent in a certain fight/area...

on the other hand... will be a pain to just see pages upon pages of kills somwhere as alot of ppl die in eve
all in all i think it will be a good thing

Phrixus Zephyr
Gallente
MEK Enterprises
Posted - 2007.05.14 13:07:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 14/05/2007 13:05:30
nvm then

Cythrawl
Caldari
Central Defiance
Insurgency
Posted - 2007.05.14 13:08:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Akyan
Originally by: Sapphrine
follow the dev blogs :) Much of what you're asking is in the pipe already i believe.


I was going to say, if you listen to the latest live dev blog they actually take about this. They are going to be completely overhauling the kill mail system, so that you no longer recieve a mail but access it through your character datasheet. It will be then within the database rather than just a spammed out eve mail, so that they may provide an api to the data.


CCP have said so many things,
don't hope for anything until it hits SiSi.


SiSi is already running a tracking of your skills as you complete them/start training them/stop training them. That's not much different than kill stats.

It's probably going to kill the killboard business though. Just depends how in-depth they're willing to take the stat tracking. We might just end up with 'You were involved in killing X-person' or 'You died to X-person' instead of a full itemized list like we get now.

We'll see when its completed what ends up being the final design to it. Til then its pointless to yap about it too much.

NATMav
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.05.14 14:55:00 - [15]
 

You mean my 97.7% efficiency isn't accurate? Shocked

zykerx
Minmatar
Vrix Nation
Posted - 2007.05.14 15:09:00 - [16]
 

i like that multiple feed thinghy were ya can get km from alot killboards

this worksaslong they not posting fake mails

this way ya can put all enemies to the feed and get all ya losses to get a acurate kb

Chia Mulholland
Caldari
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.05.14 17:08:00 - [17]
 

As long as you have an option to keep your kill stats private, I think it's a good idea.

Declyn
Gallente
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner
Posted - 2007.05.14 17:55:00 - [18]
 

Propaganda is the spice of this game and it's political parts so I'd rather take it as it is instead having everything centralised. Smile

Callthetruth
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.05.14 18:02:00 - [19]
 

its needed lets just say that

Mistress Suffering
Amarr
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.05.14 18:05:00 - [20]
 

Accurate killboards are an excellent historical record.

I would love to see CCP provide that more reliably, rather than the current systems which are limited by too many people's lack of basic integrity.

If this spawns a bunch of BE wanna-bes, so what? They have a completely valid style of play that takes advantage of in-game mechanics. If you play EVE to make isk, or run missions, control 0.0, or whatever, then I suggest you don't measure yourself on kill efficiency. Big deal.

Gallente Caliente
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.05.14 18:43:00 - [21]
 

I understand the importance of propaganda. But that being said there is just way too much utter BS that goes on in this game. It seriously kills much of its appeal. Like it or not these forums hold a lot of power in this game and nobody likes to be forced to come here to try to make sure the truth is known, spending vast amounts of time combating lies and disinformation in order to maintain morale for it's own corp/alliance or support from its allies. There should be a way to cut through it all and just play in the damn game, and not have to devote any time to the forums unless you want to. Leave the fighting in the game.

Laboratus
Gallente
Invicta.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.05.14 18:56:00 - [22]
 

For some reason it seems like a very, very, very bad idea.
It's free intel for everybody.
And even more reason for ppl to wave their epeens.

Bad idea.

Plim
Gallente
Everything Financial
Posted - 2007.05.14 19:03:00 - [23]
 

We should just do away with the game. And make EVE a database management sim. Anyone else on board?

Gallente Caliente
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.05.14 19:04:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Gallente Caliente on 14/05/2007 19:04:35
Perhaps a wait on the release of the kills, like 24 hours after and they would simply list who and what died, not fittings or system?

Zaolen Ying
Gallente
Mutually Assured Distraction
Posted - 2007.05.14 19:29:00 - [25]
 

go to your enemies killboard to find your losses, go to your killboard to find your kills.

there, sorted Razz

-Z

Dave White
Caldari
Interlude.
Posted - 2007.05.14 19:31:00 - [26]
 

I think it's a great idea and should definately be implemented.

Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Posted - 2007.05.14 21:36:00 - [27]
 

Can you imagine if they just got rid of killmails? No replacement, no nothing. The world would explode lol.

Rhaegor Stormborn
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.05.14 21:43:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 15/05/2007 02:01:35
The more detailed stats they give the better imo. I would love to be able to sort against every little item invovled and get extremely detailed of how any one character, corp, or alliance does against specific ship types, other players, other corps, etc. I really hate how inaccurate killboards are currently.

The only reason I can think of that people would not want this is because their statistics wouldn't be good and they would be emarbassed to have everyone see that. Otherwise, it really doesn't have any effect on anyone. If you don't want to see them, then don't look at them. Obviously most people want them as killboards do exsist and every major alliance uses them.

Dreamstar2
Gallente
Blueprint Haus
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2007.05.14 21:54:00 - [29]
 

I don't care about KB at all... I care about: FUN (thats what we pay for after all).

Leave it for the epeens that need it for their egos.

Fine as it is right now....

Masu'di
Minmatar
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2007.05.14 22:18:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Masu''di on 14/05/2007 22:19:41
i think statistics encourage the wrong kind of mentality sometimes, and this would not be good for Eve. too much focus is already placed on kills rather than goals and objectives. i never really liked it when they introduced kill mails to be honest, it seems kind of weird that the galaxy would have them.

at least if they do make this "official" system, give people the option to opt out.


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