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trivit
Caldari
The Exiled Ones
Posted - 2007.08.08 21:37:00 - [211]
 

/signed



Kwint Sommer
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.08.09 00:39:00 - [212]
 

Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 09/08/2007 06:35:42
I already posted this but I want it on the last page where it will actually be seen.

There's a Dev response in the game development channel saying that it has been fixed at L5 on the test server and this fix will be going live soon.


For those of you who think this skill is screwing shield tankers (aka. no damage leak means lower HP means lower regen means die sooner) or just want to see a different bonus or think that capital shield tankers shouldn't have a time sink capital armor tankers don't. Please post in that thread while the Devs are reading it.

William Hamilton
Caldari
Endless Destruction
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2007.08.09 01:15:00 - [213]
 

Edited by: William Hamilton on 09/08/2007 01:16:30
Originally by: Kwint Sommer



For those of you who think this skill is screwing shield tankers (aka. no damage leak means lower HP means lower regen means die sooner) or just want to see a different bonus or think that capital shield tankers shouldn't have a time sink capital armor tankers don't
, please post in that thread while the Devs are reading it.


Fixed, please add that comma in your post, as it's very confusing otherwise (unless you were trying to say something different)

EDIT: I've tried to make the comma as visible as possible, it's red!

Gone'Postal
Roast and Toast Inc.
Posted - 2007.08.09 07:30:00 - [214]
 

OH.. Fixed >?....

Not like the drones I hope.

dodgy242
Perkone
Posted - 2007.08.09 07:39:00 - [215]
 

Well, this is cool, they will fix it.

A big thank you to CCP.

*furiously starts training the skill to V*

Draaken
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.08.09 09:20:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: riddick Valer
If you're passive tanking, you might as well start the self destruct.

Please meet my Drake, which tanks around 900 DPS passively with about 110k effective HP, while still doing around 400 DPS.

Astucious
Posted - 2007.08.10 02:40:00 - [217]
 

/signed

CCP: Ignoring your customers will only leave them upset... how hard is really to make a reply???

Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
Posted - 2007.08.10 04:26:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Astucious
/signed

CCP: Ignoring your customers will only leave them upset... how hard is really to make a reply???
It is not hard to make 1 reply. Replying to every single thread ever made on this topic is not going to happen.
Originally by: Kwint Sommer

I already posted this but I want it on the last page where it will actually be seen.

There's a Dev response in the game development channel saying that it has been fixed at L5 on the test server and this fix will be going live soon.


For those of you who think this skill is screwing shield tankers (aka. no damage leak means lower HP means lower regen means die sooner) or just want to see a different bonus or think that capital shield tankers shouldn't have a time sink capital armor tankers don't. Please post in that thread while the Devs are reading it.


DRMALIKIA
Rage For Order
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2007.08.10 14:41:00 - [219]
 

Edited by: DRMALIKIA on 10/08/2007 14:41:52
KIND OF AN ANSWER FROM A DEV IN THIS THREAD!

Ooh praise the lords that thou has not forsaken us and damned us to forum whoring and posting our lives away. Wink

DRMALIKIA
Rage For Order
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2007.08.24 21:35:00 - [220]
 

And from the 28AUG07 patch notes:

The Tactical Shield Manipulation skill now correctly prevents bleed through according to its description.

Thank you for correcting this error CCP.

Vortexed
Posted - 2007.09.27 07:34:00 - [221]
 

Its been fixed?? I disagree. I lost a Raven today with shields still at 75% and I started taking massive armor and structure damage. That should NEVER happen. Shield is the only protection a shield tanker has, whats the point of it if damage goes right to hull with shields intact??
Made a bug report..and also a petition but still nothing.

As of today its still bugged and not working properly at all. This is fatal.

Estel Arador
Posted - 2007.09.27 15:31:00 - [222]
 

Originally by: Vortexed
I lost a Raven today with shields still at 75% and I started taking massive armor and structure damage. That should NEVER happen.


Was it lag or desync or something?
'cause I had an opportunity to test it yesterday (at level 4); I kept my shields between 7% and 25% with my shield booster for like a dozen minutes, taking over 20k damage, and I didn't get a single point of damage on my armour.

Captain Lock
Amarr
Mafia Redux
Posted - 2007.09.27 16:01:00 - [223]
 

Wouldn't this skill be more usefull if it allowed you to acually let damage bleed through? Such as allowing 50% dmg go to your armor or completly switching them off, and higher skill levels could cut down on the time needed to do so? That, I think, would give a good tool for shield tankers.


Mr Bodacious
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.09.27 16:46:00 - [224]
 

How's about it reduces the damage that goes to armor when your shields are below 25%? :)

That way, your shield recharge rate can remain near-optimal if you get them back online, and the damage sustained in armor isnt that bad.

Captain Lock
Amarr
Mafia Redux
Posted - 2007.09.27 17:07:00 - [225]
 

Not quite what I meant, I mean giving you the option to switch off your shields, or to configure them so they split the damage with the armor 50/50 or 75/25 or whatever. To acually Tactically Manipulate your shields to give the damage to your armor so you can recharge them and then switch them back to 100% dmg and leave your armor in place. -That- is what I meant.

Tukseiga
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.09.28 00:48:00 - [226]
 

Ok no you really dont want dmg to bleed through to ur armor. You know when u hit a rat and ur missile does more dmg than the shields can take so it hits the armor as well.The missile ends up doing more dmg. So you go from hitting it at 200 in just shields to 325 cuz you killed thier shields and still hit armor. Shield tankers have really crappy armor resits so it just magnifies the dmg taken. Also since tactical shield manipulation was "fixed" i have noticed that the skill is working, i would still rather just have a skill that did somthing a bit more useful. Cuz 9 times outta 10 if my shields are that low im screwed anyways.

Akira Miyatake
Posted - 2007.09.30 03:13:00 - [227]
 

As an armor tanker, if I max this skill out will that 'buy' me more time before I have to turn my armor repairs on? I.E. if the shield is taking the damage and can hold out for longer then that is less cap I have to use to repair my armor.

In this regards, should armor tankers train this and shield management to grant our shields even more power?

Admiral Skippy
Posted - 2007.10.08 20:32:00 - [228]
 

/signed

IamBen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.10.09 02:12:00 - [229]
 

The skill still does nothing.

Nublakhan
Posted - 2007.10.09 08:29:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: Akira Miyatake
As an armor tanker, if I max this skill out will that 'buy' me more time before I have to turn my armor repairs on? I.E. if the shield is taking the damage and can hold out for longer then that is less cap I have to use to repair my armor.

In this regards, should armor tankers train this and shield management to grant our shields even more power?


Any damage that is prevented by your shield is that much less that your armor takes (and thus, less cap needed to repair it) Since shields regen fastest at about 30%, this can be seen as hurting your tank, whether it be shield or armor.

If I armor tank, it's beneficial to have the shield take more damage. The shield regenerating faster means less damage to my armor. Letting damage leak through the shield will keep it closer to 30%, keeping my regen amount higher and less damage overall getting to my armor. Not to mention slower dps to my armor allows me to rep more easily.

If I (passive, not sure on the standpoint of active or if it matters for them) shield tank, it's beneficial to have my shield regen faster. Letting damage leak through keeps it closer to 30%, keeping my regen amount higher and more damage overall going to my shields. I just have to spend a little to repair the armor, but not as much as if my shields fail completely.

Granted the amounts leaked through are possibly negligible. Whether or not my shield leaked damage makes no difference in a matter of massive amounts of damage that will certainly rip through my tank like a supernova through a stick of soft room-temperature butter. It would only matter on a small (comparatively to the shield) dps scale, but that (negligible damage difference) would only point further to the uselessness of this skill.

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2007.10.09 14:18:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Nublakhan
If I (passive, not sure on the standpoint of active or if it matters for them) shield tank, it's beneficial to have my shield regen faster. Letting damage leak through keeps it closer to 30%, keeping my regen amount higher and more damage overall going to my shields. I just have to spend a little to repair the armor, but not as much as if my shields fail completely.

Granted the amounts leaked through are possibly negligible. Whether or not my shield leaked damage makes no difference in a matter of massive amounts of damage that will certainly rip through my tank like a supernova through a stick of soft room-temperature butter. It would only matter on a small (comparatively to the shield) dps scale, but that (negligible damage difference) would only point further to the uselessness of this skill.


Except that if I'm shield tanking, my tank is going to be in my shield, meaning possibly that my armor is quite weak. Perhaps I even have such good tank in my shield that it's only letting through 20% of this particular type of damage, whereas my armor is letting through 80%. So letting that damage through to my armor may have helped my shield regen slightly, at the cost of much more DPS to my armor. Not a good trade off for a shield tanker.

You strike me as an armor tanker, not a shield tanker, huh?


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