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Gravydont
Posted - 2007.05.13 10:13:00 - [1]
 

Any have any ideas?

Daeva Vios
Posted - 2007.05.13 11:48:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Daeva Vios on 13/05/2007 11:47:28
EVE has already come to Mac.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

Enjoy.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.13 12:38:00 - [3]
 

Or use Cider, I heard that runs EVE also.

Kavioleth
Posted - 2007.05.13 16:13:00 - [4]
 

PC: Hello!...I'm a PC...I play games.
Mac: Hi. I'm a Mac...ppl don't really make games for macs.

:P

Will Nazca
Caldari
The Benjamin Project
Posted - 2007.05.13 23:32:00 - [5]
 

Hello I'm a PC!! Aside from games my usefulness is about done. Damn, now Mac is gonna do THAT better too. Oh well, I can still....I'll get back to ya when I think of someting.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.14 01:45:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/05/2007 02:18:21
Originally by: Will Nazca
Hello I'm a PC!! Aside from games my usefulness is about done. Damn, now Mac is gonna do THAT better too. Oh well, I can still....I'll get back to ya when I think of someting.

But the real question is, what is the difference between a Mac and a PC?

They can both run Windows, Linux, and OS X.

They both have the same hardware.

The only difference is one has a pretty white case and a 500 dollar higher pricetag.

Now yes, I understand that some people prefer to run OS X without the minor hacking one has to do to make it work on a PC Wink Razz

(Nothing against MacBooks though, they make very good laptops)

Not Bait
Posted - 2007.05.14 02:09:00 - [7]
 

Please.. stop now before you bring out more of the Mac fanboys. We all know how these things end. And I, for one, don't want another glimpse into how Mac fanatics perceive reality.

Gravydont
Posted - 2007.05.14 05:23:00 - [8]
 

I dont have a new windows CD.. I deleted everything on my mac twice trying to use boot camp before cause I had the wrong CD.. but im going to work on that and do it properly next time.

Charisma Anatolia
Posted - 2007.05.14 05:51:00 - [9]
 

Hacking isnt such a huge issue on PC... assuming you are a step above ******ed and keep the **** to a reasonable level. Now I love macs and I love my friends who also love macs but Im still a PC user. But to the heart of this post, I have friends who want to play eve and I for one would like to know when they will release a non beta mac version

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.14 10:26:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Charisma Anatolia
Hacking isnt such a huge issue on PC... assuming you are a step above ******ed and keep the **** to a reasonable level. Now I love macs and I love my friends who also love macs but Im still a PC user. But to the heart of this post, I have friends who want to play eve and I for one would like to know when they will release a non beta mac version

Probably basically never.

Cider, cider, cider, cider, cider! Cool

Daeva Vios
Posted - 2007.05.14 11:08:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Daeva Vios on 14/05/2007 11:09:25
The question was not which operating system was better, Windows or Macintosh. The question was also not which system was better, Apple or PC. The question was whether a Mac could run EVE. The answer is yes, given very little effort.

I don't believe CCP will ever develop a version of EVE to run on the Mac OS. I could be wrong, but they haven't announced one yet and it would likely take a few years to develop anyway.

Can't you people just let it go? This argument might have been amusing in the early 90s. It's boring now and largely pointless.

wenxiu
Gallente
Versatech Co.
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2007.05.14 17:27:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Daeva Vios
I don't believe CCP will ever develop a version of EVE to run on the Mac OS. I could be wrong, but they haven't announced one yet and it would likely take a few years to develop anyway.


1. CCP has already announced that they intend to release a native OS X version for Intel based Macs only. This will be based on Transgaming's Cider technology, the same guys who developed Cedega which is used by Linux users to run EVE.

This will allow CCP to do a native version without having to do any code rewrites.

There was an official announcement by CCP a month ago with respect to this.

2. Bootcamp works very well today on the Mac and I'm using that a lot.

3. Crossover Mac allows you to run EVE without audio on OS X right now. There are some threads here that discuss it. It works nicely, I was able to even run some missions, though the frame rate is at least 1/3 of native as Crossover emulates everything (including 3D) in software only.

This is the solution I use when I need to get work done on my Mac and I cannot afford tie up the machine just for the game. I can trade, train skills, run certain missions without much trouble.

So there are 2 methods that currently work and VMWare has their virtualization solution which supports DirectX 8.x but not 9.x, so once they can rev that - VMWare will work also.

Parallels Desktop currently does not support EVE on their virtualization solution, but serious gaming is something that Parallels is putting development resources into ensuring that they are able to support, so we'll have to wait and see.

Zhett Haukes
Mutually Assured Distraction
Posted - 2007.05.14 19:45:00 - [13]
 

This Cider thing, I can't use that myself to run Eve can I? I need to wait for a client to be released on it?

I could use bootcamp, but would rather not partition my rather small Macbook hardrive if I can get away with it. I would only be using it for skill changing on the move anyway.

wenxiu
Gallente
Versatech Co.
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2007.05.15 12:29:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Zhett Haukes
This Cider thing, I can't use that myself to run Eve can I? I need to wait for a client to be released on it?

I could use bootcamp, but would rather not partition my rather small Macbook hardrive if I can get away with it. I would only be using it for skill changing on the move anyway.


Cider seems to be something that comes in the form of Windows compatibility libraries that allow Win API calls to be redirected to the Cider libraries so that it calls the equivalent in OS X.

The benefit for CCP is that they pretty have almost no source code change at all. The not so good thing is that you might end up with an app that is not what one would consider native OS X.

If you are concerned about disk space right now - install Crossover Mac and run EVE from there. The hit on disk space is minimal compared to a full install of a Windows partition.

I'm doing both but I still find that EVE really needs to run on a minimum of 1600x1200 resolution or higher, especially if you do things like trading and have a need for windows of information.

wenxiu
Gallente
Versatech Co.
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2007.05.15 21:25:00 - [15]
 

Apologies about posting a reply my own post, but Codeweavers just announced the immediate availability of Crossover Mac 6.1 and there's specific support for EVE mentioned here and also improved 3D support for games.

No mention of audio support for EVE yet. It's still not working.

Zek Flint
Posted - 2007.06.10 10:59:00 - [16]
 

I'm still pretty new to Eve, but I am a mac user as well and I am very excited about the os x version coming out. I don't mind booting into BootCamp to play, but it will be a lot more convenient when I don't need to do that. I am also thinking about making a dashboard widget that monitors your character, a little like EveMon.

Valeo Galaem
New Eden Advanced Reconnaissance Unit
Sentient World Observation and Response Directive
Posted - 2007.06.10 18:03:00 - [17]
 

Bad necro!

But while its on the front again, the Linux and Mac versions of EVE have been bumped back until after Revelations Chapter 2 is released - expected date is August.

Zhett Haukes
Mutually Assured Distraction
Posted - 2007.06.10 18:55:00 - [18]
 

now the other pressing question. Will my macbook be able to run it at playable framerates?!

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.10 18:57:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Zhett Haukes
now the other pressing question. Will my macbook be able to run it at playable framerates?!

If it has a decent graphics card, yes.

Nash Leigth
Posted - 2007.06.11 02:52:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Kavioleth
PC: Hello!...I'm a PC...I play games.
Mac: Hi. I'm a new intel Mac. I can run MAC OS for serious people engaging in serious work and Windows if you ever want to feel like a l33t gamer.
:P

fixed it for ya ;)

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.11 03:44:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/06/2007 03:51:02
Originally by: Nash Leigth
Originally by: Kavioleth
PC: Hello!...I'm a PC...I play games.
Mac: Hi. I'm a new intel Mac. I can run MAC OS for serious people engaging in serious work and Windows if you ever want to feel like a l33t gamer.
:P

fixed it for ya ;)

Because you know, a cheap hack of BSD crossed with a worthless over-fancy window manager is definitely good for doing serious work. Wink

Its like Ubuntu with Beryl. Really pretty, but totally useless.

/doesn't actually have anything against Macs
//hates it when people blather about how Macs are "the best for serious work," as if somehow no other operating system was useful for serious work

Nash Leigth
Posted - 2007.06.11 08:12:00 - [22]
 

But you don't hate it when people imply you have to own a PC to enjoy all these games? ;)

Originally by: Dark Shikari

The only difference is one has a pretty white case and a 500 dollar higher pricetag.
Now yes, I understand that some people prefer to run OS X without the minor hacking one has to do to make it work on a PC Wink Razz



Not to mention you'd have to do this "minor hacking" after each update and no, it is not going to work quite the same afterwards so you'll have to do some more maintenance. If you job allows you to or involves spending hours playing around with whatever software you got I understand why it seems all the same to you. The rest of us want it simply to work without any head-bashing that Windows or Linux involves. After trying out many options I found that Mac with its native OS is that thing which simply works. Plus us students get educational discounts so we ain't paying $500 extra Very Happy


Crove
Tupperware Party
Veritas Immortalis
Posted - 2007.06.11 13:18:00 - [23]
 

When the mac gets a right mouse button.

Reezah
Posted - 2007.06.11 14:33:00 - [24]
 

i love macs but when i upgraded last year i didnt buy the mac cos there so little games that come out for mac.

Hammer Judge
Southern Cross Incorporated
Angels Of Discord
Posted - 2007.06.12 00:19:00 - [25]
 

I love how this thread got completely derailed by religious wars.

I play Eve via CrossOver on a Mac. I also play it on my Windows PC. I'm looking forward to a "proper" version though. I hope August is true.

Jack Wildstar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2007.06.12 09:52:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Crove
When the mac gets a right mouse button.


I have one on my mac...what's your point?

Zek Flint
Posted - 2007.06.12 13:41:00 - [27]
 

August would be awesome, I am on deployment and get back in October so that would be plenty of time to work out minor bugs as well. I think EVE is the only reason I have Windows installed on my Mac.

Sylfamas
Caldari
Solar Nexus.
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2007.07.13 22:00:00 - [28]
 

I pretty much switched to an iMac couple of days ago. Never gonna use Windows for anything else other than Eve Online.
That being said, there are some rumors that the mac version is coming out in August. Oh and for those who said that everything is emulated...well ...you're wrong.

First of all, DirectX is patented by Microsoft. So direct integration of it into Mac OS X it's not possible. But Mac OS runs OpenGL, so what Cider is doing is to implement directx into opengl. So the first accesed is the OpenGL which after that uses the DirectX code in it to render the whole application. I can really say that in fact it will run better than on Windows, with better framerates. EA games will also use Cider to port their games to the mac, and they will in fact be rendered more easily.

That's why Microsoft announced the big DirectX 10, for which you have to buy new graphics cards. In directX 10 they integrated OpenGL into DirectX. That is to stop games being developed for the mac and for windows (a game written in DirectX can nou be ported very easy to OpenGL. With OPENGL integrated into DirectX will be very hard). So microsoft is screwing with us again and again. First they said "you need better machines to run vista and play nicely" after that they said " btw, you also need new graphics card for optimum performance on DirectX10 ".

I really tried DirectX 10 on the other computer with nVidia 7950 GTX and it runs like hell slow.

Anyways i can't wait for the mac version of eve online. It's gonna be big, champagne will fall from the skies :D

Rotary Cuff
Posted - 2007.07.14 00:30:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Zhett Haukes
now the other pressing question. Will my macbook be able to run it at playable framerates?!

Depends on which Macbook you have.

Macbook Pro will have no problem running Eve, it has a good graphics card (ATI x1600 or something). However, the regular macbooks have integrated graphics, using shared ram so performance is reduced. There are a couple different versions of these macbooks, with varying CPU speeds and ram configs. The top macbook can't run the game at decent fps when there's a lot on screen. However it's usually pretty decent when there's not a whole lot going on.

I've been running Eve on my macbook through Windows Bootcamp since January and have had no problems.

Mos Superum
Gallente
Child Head Injury and Laceration Doctors
Posted - 2007.07.15 00:45:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Rotary Cuff

I've been running Eve on my macbook through Windows Bootcamp since January and have had no problems.

What about overheating? Do you have any heat issues with running the game in Bootcamp?

Mos Superum


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