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sakana
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.05.14 00:59:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: OzaLoni
Originally by: sakana
One does not simply kill a superblob


Sorry, there is but one version of this quote.

Quote:
One does not simply walk into fountain!


Please be sure to use the correct version of this quote in future.



spoilsport!! anywho, the true version of that quote is the real one

KIATolon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.05.14 01:01:00 - [152]
 

This thread starts off being awesome with hast accusing the MC of not being worth their salt, then just gets better and better :D

IamBen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.05.14 01:06:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: Kyguard
That's no moon..


Turn the fleet around... :)

Trind2222
Amarr
The Red Ring
Posted - 2007.05.14 01:10:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: KIATolon
This thread starts off being awesome with hast accusing the MC of not being worth their salt, then just gets better and better :D

That is coming from some one in a aliance who logg off if some one can mach the number
in your gang?

Tree Fiddy
Caldari
Heretic Entity
Posted - 2007.05.14 01:11:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: KIATolon
This thread starts off being awesome with hast accusing the MC of not being worth their salt, then just gets better and better :D


At least he didnt say something really outrageous like the coalition of strangers have a clue.

Raznarok
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.05.14 01:14:00 - [156]
 

This is the best thread ever! ugh

* Kicks back with a cookie and milk

dastommy79
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2007.05.14 01:15:00 - [157]
 

Edited by: dastommy79 on 14/05/2007 01:31:27
The only problem with the powerblob i have is that it decreases pvp. This is whether your a member of the coalition or the alliance. The titans and moms ruin what would be great fights. I'll give you an example.

Couple weeks back, an FLA pos was coming out of reinforcement. The call went out for all available pilots to be in 0-2 to try and defend it. We all assumed that they would bring a large support fleet, say 60-80ish ships to lock down the system so their 10-20 caps could jump in to finish the job. We had around 50-60 in gang with about 5 carriers in a support role at the pos. About half of our gang was in ospreys trying to rep the shields(including me.... wish i never trained the remote rep skill) along with the carriers. We had the other 30ish on the agg gate with fighters assigned. Our pvp force was mostly t1 cruisers and frigates with maybe 10 bs's. After some time a 35-40 bs heavy hostile fleet arrives in agg and sits on the O-2 gate. So this is it. Its gonna be a tough fight especialy when the MC moms cyno in but we have to do our best to save the POS. The ospreys stay at the pos, its at 43%. We need to hold out for another 10 or so mins. Hostile cyno goes up at the gate, everyone prepares for the support to jump in.


Instead Orange species comes in(only bob titan pilot who's not a **** btw) and Doomsdays our t1 support fleet. Almost everyone on the gate wakes up in the station, grabs another ship and gets out back into the fight. Nothing happens. The enemy doesnt jump in, we keep repping the pos to 50% and get some more stront into it.


What would have been an awesome small fleet fight turned into nothing because the enemy wouldnt engage even though it was roughly even numbers. People dont seem to want to fight if they dont have 3-1 odds in their favor. So then they blob and the other side counterblobs and the node dies and no one has fun.


The super blob eliminates any chance of a fun fight like how that could have been. both sides are guilty of it and honestly its killing the fun out of the game. If people are afraid to fight in an almost even fight, why would they bother going against the blob. So props to MC for being able to put such a thing together to attack the North but we would all have had a lot more fun if we scaled this down a bit. What we need more in eve is what that fight could have been not the direction fleet warfare has taken


KIATolon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.05.14 01:31:00 - [158]
 

I actually dont mind fighting motherships... and almost killed one once. It was great fun, the MS pilot was awesome, and a great sport, and at as I said, at one point we almost had him. It gets slightly less interesting when the ship you're trying to kill destroys all bubbles and pretty much everything else within 250km and has enough cap to cyno out before everyone has unlagged.

KIATolon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.05.14 01:50:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Tree Fiddy
Originally by: KIATolon
This thread starts off being awesome with hast accusing the MC of not being worth their salt, then just gets better and better :D


At least he didnt say something really outrageous like the coalition of strangers have a clue.

Why not go post another constructive thread?

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=520081

Phrixus Zephyr
Gallente
MEK Enterprises
Posted - 2007.05.14 01:52:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Chirinako
Wow. The north complain about us camping them with 100-150 people. The ultimate hypocracy.

At the beginning of this war, ED- in Querious was seiged by over 250 coalition pilots 3 nights in a row.

Try not to label everyone who was a part of the initial attack on Querious as the collective authors of this thread or the opinions held theirin.

Chirinako
Caldari
The Junkyard Dogs
Talos Coalition
Posted - 2007.05.14 01:54:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Originally by: Chirinako
Wow. The north complain about us camping them with 100-150 people. The ultimate hypocracy.

At the beginning of this war, ED- in Querious was seiged by over 250 coalition pilots 3 nights in a row.

Try not to label everyone who was a part of the initial attack on Querious as the collective authors of this thread or the opinions held theirin.


Yes I apologise for that. I should have been more specific - That was not aimed at Triumvarte and the other alliances that are not hypocrites, you all know who you are.

Tzrailasa
Gallente
Tzrailasa Corp
Posted - 2007.05.14 07:14:00 - [162]
 

Edited by: Tzrailasa on 14/05/2007 07:12:01
Originally by: dastommy79
The only problem with the powerblob i have is that it decreases pvp. This is whether your a member of the coalition or the alliance. The titans and moms ruin what would be great fights.

You're blaming the wrong reason...
Originally by: dastommy79
People dont seem to want to fight if they dont have 3-1 odds in their favor.

THIS is the real reason fights don't happen...

We see it all the time down south. The only fights we can get people to commit to are when they outnumber us 3-1. Otherwise we only get fights when they forget to scout...
The problem is not the super-caps (they're involved in what, maybe 5% of all fights?), but people not having the guts to loose ships...

A snip from another post (yes, I know it's slightly out of context)
Originally by: Dawn Princess
Why risk 2bn isk ships in fights

sums it up perfectly...

Oh, and FYI. Super-cap numbers are roughly equal on the two sides of the conflict, with the cryalition being ahead on capitals, but you don't hear us moaning...

Hast
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.14 07:32:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: KIATolon
This thread starts off being awesome with hast accusing the MC of not being worth their salt, then just gets better and better :D


ORLY?

Then tell me dear tolon, how many supercaps does Goonfleet has, or your beloved BOS?

I just dont see how you can get a dig at the MC out of my post.

the fact is that MC/YW et al. are steamrolling the north.

Custodiae
Amarr
Fatal's Marauders
Posted - 2007.05.14 07:56:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Dracolich
Clearly the blunder of it all, was that the Coalition attacked MC instead of hiring them.


Indeed.

Viliny
Caldari
Golden Clover Astrogeologists
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2007.05.14 09:26:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Aphotic Raven
Originally by: jbob2000
The superblob does not hunt because the word hunting infers the probability of failure. The superblob goes killing.


The superblob does not have a chin. Beneath its beard lies yet another fist.

I've been on the receiving end of the superblob and to be honest without the titans it would be fine... as it is now resistance is futile! Very Happy

Theres plenty of NPC stations out there... so like Evolution says: Those who cannot adapt get stepped on by devs Laughing

Post with your main if you wanna moan at least Razz


Family guy quote!

Plan Neun
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.14 09:33:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Your covert implications that we blob with overwhelming force are absurd.

First point: Coalition brought 200 capitals into Delve for the F-TE1T theatre, 50 more than we had.

Second point: We only pulled those kinda numbers once.

Speaking from the best of my knowledge, you should be replacing FCs, not building more ships. We got jumped once and took a fairly good hit when 9 BoB dreadnaughts were downed, but returned the favour to the Coalition of Family Values at least ten times.

And lastly, the end was supposed to be nigh 2-3 months after EC-P8R. Are you saying we have to wait another 2-3 months until EVE is ours? :(

PS: The end is nigh.


Yeah you gotta wait along with the dev's until its all youes, its like sexmas u gotta wait for that too Embarassed

MKeeper
Caldari
Northern Exposure
Posted - 2007.05.14 09:35:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Tzrailasa
...cryalition...

Grow up.

(about as trite and childish as 'BoD')

Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.14 10:11:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: Tzrailasa
The only fights we can get people to commit to are when they outnumber us 3-1. Otherwise we only get fights when they forget to scout...



LaughingLaughing Show me the link to a fight where you fought outnumbered

I can link you to a gang fight where we engaged with 2v1 odds against us.

Everyone can see that you are the guys blobbing and napping everything in sight.

Once again....what fight this year were you outnumbered 3v1 please. Or are you, as I suspect...lying

Tzrailasa
Gallente
Tzrailasa Corp
Posted - 2007.05.14 11:38:00 - [169]
 

Edited by: Tzrailasa on 14/05/2007 11:41:45
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Tzrailasa
The only fights we can get people to commit to are when they outnumber us 3-1. Otherwise we only get fights when they forget to scout...


LaughingLaughing Show me the link to a fight where you fought outnumbered

I can link you to a gang fight where we engaged with 2v1 odds against us.

Everyone can see that you are the guys blobbing and napping everything in sight.

Once again....what fight this year were you outnumbered 3v1 please. Or are you, as I suspect...lying

Look for last saturday morning on our KB... numbers roughly 5-1... 'nuff said...
Since then, there BEEN no enemy fleets (even though we're sieging 9-9)!

Usually (I'm down south btw, not north...), there are NO enemy roaming gangs, NO enemy gate camps, NO enemy fleets. Allmost all 'fights' are boring ganks of NPC'ers...

There are always exceptions, but that's the general picture as seen from a Euro timezone pow. US tz is slightly more active...

Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.14 12:36:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 14/05/2007 14:46:32
Originally by: Tzrailasa

Look for last saturday morning on our KB... numbers roughly 5-1... 'nuff said...
Since then, there BEEN no enemy fleets (even though we're sieging 9-9)!



So you are saying it has happened once this year Laughing Hardly all the time...

I doubt you expected me to actually look through you killboards. I have stupidly wasted my time looking at 48 pages of kills going back to May 5th...and can see no evidence of the battle you are talking about.

Why don't you get a combat analyzer, with 1 click you can see all related kills and the parties involved....

I can only see small battles on saturday the 12th in the morning, and some skirmish with goons on the 5th. The most significant losses were your own....were you having a tournament or something Laughing Or is this how you pad your stats Razz

Relfstello
Gallente
Pelennor Swarm
R i s e
Posted - 2007.05.14 13:25:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Johana Walker
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Originally by: Johana Walker
The other guy just dosn't have enough firepower and can't get it (well unless RA have been giving goons a cut of the complex loot...).


And whose fault is it that they have agreed to this? Surely, you are not blaming BoB or CCP for short-sighted agreements between alliances in the Coalition?


So you can harvest a cap ships worth of mods from your complexes how quickly? You should go into politics, I said the coallition can't gather top end mods for a huge dread fleet in a reasonable timeframe, and you turn around with this? Just what kind of spawn rate do you have down in BoB space !?!?!




Wait a minute, did I read that right? RA, the masters of the DT plex run, dont have enough time to gather mods??!!!!

Oh yeah, they don't have time. They're busy defending their allies (Intrepid Crossing anyone)...oh wait nm, they were in the plex at that time Confused

Tzrailasa
Gallente
Tzrailasa Corp
Posted - 2007.05.14 15:02:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Tzrailasa

Look for last saturday morning on our KB... numbers roughly 5-1... 'nuff said...
Since then, there BEEN no enemy fleets (even though we're sieging 9-9)!

I can only see small battles on saturday the 12th in the morning, and some skirmish with goons on the 5th.

That 'small battles' thing you're talking about in the early hours, was about ~50 of our guys vs. ~300 hostiles.
Our guys didn't hide in POS, they didn't log, they didn't run, they didn't dock. They came out again and again, and fought a 5 hour running battle against odds.
Of.c. you'll not recognise that, but it's the fact...

The main reason I can't find many examples is that for the last 1-2 months, if we're reported anywhere NEAR a system, all hostiles log/run/hide/dock... (yes, that's your allies I'm talking about)...

Malachon Draco
Caldari
eXceeded
Posted - 2007.05.14 15:18:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Tzrailasa
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Tzrailasa

Look for last saturday morning on our KB... numbers roughly 5-1... 'nuff said...
Since then, there BEEN no enemy fleets (even though we're sieging 9-9)!

I can only see small battles on saturday the 12th in the morning, and some skirmish with goons on the 5th.

That 'small battles' thing you're talking about in the early hours, was about ~50 of our guys vs. ~300 hostiles.
Our guys didn't hide in POS, they didn't log, they didn't run, they didn't dock. They came out again and again, and fought a 5 hour running battle against odds.
Of.c. you'll not recognise that, but it's the fact...

The main reason I can't find many examples is that for the last 1-2 months, if we're reported anywhere NEAR a system, all hostiles log/run/hide/dock... (yes, that's your allies I'm talking about)...



In 3 months time, do you expect to get more or less fights out of anyone?

Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.14 15:19:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: Tzrailasa
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Tzrailasa

Look for last saturday morning on our KB... numbers roughly 5-1... 'nuff said...
Since then, there BEEN no enemy fleets (even though we're sieging 9-9)!

I can only see small battles on saturday the 12th in the morning, and some skirmish with goons on the 5th.

That 'small battles' thing you're talking about in the early hours, was about ~50 of our guys vs. ~300 hostiles.
Our guys didn't hide in POS, they didn't log, they didn't run, they didn't dock. They came out again and again, and fought a 5 hour running battle against odds.
Of.c. you'll not recognise that, but it's the fact...

The main reason I can't find many examples is that for the last 1-2 months, if we're reported anywhere NEAR a system, all hostiles log/run/hide/dock... (yes, that's your allies I'm talking about)...



Laughing I asked you to back up your claim. You told me to look at your killboard. I did...there is NO large engagement at the time you mention. Only large scale kils are from your own Titan killing your support Laughing

Everybody runs and docks whenever you are within 15 jumps...yeah sure mate Laughing

Smack me up if you want...just don't lie about fights that didn't happen

Navdaq
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.05.14 15:21:00 - [175]
 






Do not stare directly at the superblob. You will go blind.


Grim Faust
Minmatar
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.14 15:49:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Tzrailasa

Oh, and FYI. Super-cap numbers are roughly equal on the two sides of the conflict, with the cryalition being ahead on capitals, but you don't hear us moaning...



I think the point in case he was trying to make was the taking down of FLA in general. Anytime we had a sizeable fleet and were ready for PvP it seemed as if MC or BoB would come in with the Titan or the 40 caps and just do whatever you guys wanted. You didn't here us complain, we tried and lost. You trying to defend the point was a bit moot by pointing out that the coalition had roughly the same caps. FLA barely had any caps to field, seriously, you guys probably had more moms than we had caps. And we all know how much support FLA received from the majority of the coalition...

The point is, anytime you guys saw somewhat of a threat you'd just cyno the "I win" button and call us losers and whiners. I find it kind of ironic that we fielded fleets to fight one of the most renowned forces in Eve and you guys just played the "Well everyone else does it!" card, and just took the easy route. But hey, I suppose fun doesnt matter anymore in Eve so long as you win, right? And people wonder why Eve warfare is in the gutter...

Shamis Orzoz
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.14 16:01:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Tzrailasa
Oh, and FYI. Super-cap numbers are roughly equal on the two sides of the conflict


Huh?



Mynas Atoch
Caldari
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.05.14 16:08:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Grim Faust
You didn't here us complain, we tried and lost. You trying to defend the point was a bit moot by pointing out that the coalition had roughly the same caps. FLA barely had any caps to field, seriously, you guys probably had more moms than we had caps. And we all know how much support FLA received from the majority of the coalition...


We did try to warn you guys about this before it kicked off. And let you move your assets out at the end, partly because of it. Your defence was tenacious, and as both sides knew before and during, futile. Your loyalty to others who barely lifted a finger in assistance was both commendable and tragically naive.

Good luck with the rebuilding - I'm sure we'll see you back in 0.0 soon.

Myn

Grim Faust
Minmatar
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.14 16:29:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Mynas Atoch

We did try to warn you guys about this before it kicked off. And let you move your assets out at the end, partly because of it. Your defence was tenacious, and as both sides knew before and during, futile. Your loyalty to others who barely lifted a finger in assistance was both commendable and tragically naive.

Good luck with the rebuilding - I'm sure we'll see you back in 0.0 soon.
Myn


We know we were warned. We knew we weren't going to win. We didn't stand in Deklein to defend our Allies in vain, we stood to defend our home. I'm pretty sure every FLA pilot knew what was going to happen. But within the ranks of FLA it has never been in our interest to run to save ISK.

The super-blob though was unnecessary in my opinion. We all could have had a lot more fun. I only say this too in respect to the fact that I hear BoB constantly clawing at the notion that they're looking for someone to give them a fight. We'd give anyone a fight, it's just that when we bring in our forces and then someone else goes along and just hit's a DD or flies in just as many caps as we have BS/cruisers, the experience pretty much stops there and no one has a good time.

If that's the way people want to play it, then fine. It's rather aggrivating though with all these double-talking people playing possum about wanting fights and then being excessive in their ways. Before you know it, the war's over and then everyone's sitting around going; "Well that wasn't fun, we sat around shooting POS' for weeks on end".

I honestly feel sorry for the foot soldiers in BoB and the alliance. No, no one really can muster up a force to fight BoB without the server dieing. So what happens? They sit around and shoot POS' in their untouchable fleets and no one in Eve can enjoy that. It's boring, it's crappy, it's the way things are unfolding and it's why so many people are venting on the forums. This war was supposed to be Epic, but instead it's pretty much a failure and it's thanks to CCP's lack of server stability.

No pew pew and conflict in the game results in people having to unload that on CAOD.

Blacklight
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.14 16:35:00 - [180]
 

Arguing about whether or not any alliance fights outnumbered or only fights with massively superior odds is a sure fire way to earn you a seat on the short bus to school.

There are always plenty of incidents for pretty much every alliance that prove any generalisation to be just that, a generalisation and therefore innaccurate.

Rolling Eyes


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