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Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar
Matari Holo News Network
Posted - 2007.05.13 06:21:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Dracolich
Clearly the blunder of it all, was that the Coalition attacked MC instead of hiring them.


They did attempt to hire MC, MC was not interested in working against BoB. They set terms they knew would not be acceptable for employment such that noone could afford to pay it, and that is why they were not hired by anyone.

The problem of the SuperBlob is two fold really:

1. The game engine cannot handle the dreamed of massive fleet battles. This has been shown over and over since almost the dawn of warfare in EVE. For a long time CCP ignored this and hoped for the best. However after the battle of LV1V they decided to take others steps. As far as we know they did not officially tell the player base of their decision, primarily because they were to preoccupied with K's revelations to properly address the situation.

This led them to make a game change, which though it had been mentioned many months beforehand had never been enforced. It was the changing of the policy of enforcement that really changed the tune of the war.

The only real advantage the coalition had over BoB's forces was numbers. CCP removed that advantage by capping systems to 700 pilots at a time.

This wracked havoc at the battle of the BoB Shipyards. It also cast more doubt on CCPs ability to act impartially. The coalition capital losses at the BoB Shipyards was more due to the CCP enforcement change than anything BoB itself did.

Since that time we've not seen a major Coalition force assemble because a some lost heart. They had worked hard, coordinated well and assembled a great fleet and it was all nullified by CCPs decision.

Had CCP given warning of the change in enforcement as they should have, the battle at the BoB shipyards probably would have taken a different tone. But not giving that warning has damaged the spirit.

2. Titans. BoB currently has the most titans that are publicly known.

They can remote detonate killing billions in a shot for around 20 million in cost per shot. That's not a real good risk vs reward ratio. Since there is no risk to the Titan since it is not present at the battle.

The only really effective counter strategy was to use blob tactics where you brought as many as you could and hoped that you could have enough survive the titan blasts to achieve your goal. With the limit imposed in point one, that strategy is no longer effective.

Titans need to be nerfed considerably. The first nerfing needs to be the removal of remote detonation.

The next point that needs changing is that they need to decrease the area of effect or decrease the damage dealt. Alternately to decreasing one of these two you could require a siege mode where the Titan cannot move prior to the firing of the DD and after firing it for a set amount of time.


It is these two factors that have led to the superblob more than anything else in the game. Unless they are addressed and lets face it on point one is something that cannot be easily fixed with current technology then the superblob will continue.

Kurfi' Legimo
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.05.13 06:34:00 - [92]
 

Oh noes run for the hills!!!Surprised
The blob is comming!

Seleene
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.13 06:50:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
Originally by: Dracolich
Clearly the blunder of it all, was that the Coalition attacked MC instead of hiring them.


They did attempt to hire MC


No. Not one member of the Northern powers attempted to contact me with regard to making a serious offer against their enemies.

Rivek
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.13 06:55:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
stuff above


Pretty much nailed it.

Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar
Matari Holo News Network
Posted - 2007.05.13 07:18:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
Originally by: Dracolich
Clearly the blunder of it all, was that the Coalition attacked MC instead of hiring them.


They did attempt to hire MC


No. Not one member of the Northern powers attempted to contact me with regard to making a serious offer against their enemies.


I respect you Seleene, of the BoB allied forces you and DS seem the most honest and forthright.

However by this statement alone you admit they did contact you. I also made no mention of who in the coalition did.

You took their efforts as being insincere, however they also took offering you anything great was a risk they couldn't take since your systems border on BoB sovereign space.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2007.05.13 08:00:00 - [96]
 

The whole OP is fundamentally flawed. This is the very definition of a 'whine' thread.

The OP states, broadly;

* Game mechanics (which are the same for all) allow capital blobs
* BoB & friends play the game very well, and have the biggest capital blob
* BoB and friends then use these legitimate game mechanics to win fights/seiges
* Therefore we must change game mechanics.

Frankly - whatever the game mechanics, BoB would still be winning, because quite simply they play the game better than anyone else at the moment.

Whining about the mechanics we are *all* subject to, and claiming they somehow intrisically favour BoB, is ludicrous. BoB adapted to the game mechanics, not the other way around.



Indiano Arko
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.05.13 08:04:00 - [97]
 

I'm gonna quote some guy bio (think it was either guy from CI or from F-E... can't remind clearly)

When you fight you can lose, when you don't fight you already lost.

Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.13 08:53:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Crimsonjade
you havnt seen the D2 superblob??!?!?! its in e,mpire... there MS is camping a gate. smartbombing frigs and shuttle..

guess its better than letting it rust in a pos somewhere.. but hey at least BOB has theres in 0.0.


Obviously the OP is an unhappy goon alt which our current fleet is interrupting his npcing schedule in tenerfis.

Imo this just sums it up about that this alt made this post in the first place :p


Originally by: Johana Walker

And please stop insulting coallition FC's. Your cap ships have how much in high end faction mods. You aren't out manuvering the coallition you are PWNing them the same way a HAC PWNs say an incursus. The other guy just dosn't have enough firepower and can't get it (well unless RA have been giving goons a cut of the complex loot...).


Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Warri0rs
Posted - 2007.05.13 09:00:00 - [99]
 

Edited by: Lord WarATron on 13/05/2007 09:00:34
To be perfectly honest, the coalation needs to get its priorities right. I never understood the concept of investing in Suicide POS's in some vain hope that the enemy will get so bored that they will log off and quit the game. Of course, it is very easy to embezzel corp wallets in suicide pos's. It is easy to take 12bil to buy pos's and only spend 10bil, and nobody would be any wiser Laughing Or even buy items via corp wallet and Paul McKenna them away into private hangers Laughing

But seriously - if the coalation actually invested in their fleet - Yes I said it - actually spend some of their suicide pos/embezzelment isk on actually investing and developing the front line troops - Then things would get a lot more exciting.

Hast
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.13 09:43:00 - [100]
 

as said earlier in the thread, the coalition also has supercapitals. Its just that their owners have more or less gone awol and is pirating low sec with them. Laughing

That is part of the reason you are loosing. Also you should really start to work on tactics to either kill or work around motherships (hint render them useless) It is possible you know. And as I said earlier nothing is stopping the coalition from building their own supercaps.

Right now you are whining about the fact that the gamemechanics arent working in your favour and instead of adapting, you throw your toys out of the pram.


King Fury
Caldari
Fury Corp.
Posted - 2007.05.13 09:49:00 - [101]
 

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Tzrailasa
Gallente
Tzrailasa Corp
Posted - 2007.05.13 09:59:00 - [102]
 

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King Fury
Caldari
Fury Corp.
Posted - 2007.05.13 10:03:00 - [103]
 

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Guderian
Gallente
Shinra
Shinra Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.13 10:17:00 - [104]
 

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Jonathan Peterbilt
Caldari
Wyland-Yutani Corporation
Posted - 2007.05.13 10:22:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
Originally by: Dracolich
Clearly the blunder of it all, was that the Coalition attacked MC instead of hiring them.


They did attempt to hire MC


No. Not one member of the Northern powers attempted to contact me with regard to making a serious offer against their enemies.


No? I thought AAA was sent to represent Coalition in contracting MC. Wink

Really, Coalition planed to kill MC as much as they planed to kill BOB. Don't think they ever wanted to hire them.

King Fury
Caldari
Fury Corp.
Posted - 2007.05.13 10:23:00 - [106]
 

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Tzrailasa
Gallente
Tzrailasa Corp
Posted - 2007.05.13 10:31:00 - [107]
 

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King Fury
Caldari
Fury Corp.
Posted - 2007.05.13 10:36:00 - [108]
 

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Dianabolic
Gallente
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.13 10:45:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: King Fury
*snip*


It certainly takes more guts than flaming people on an alt in an NPC corp, that's for sure.

Guderian
Gallente
Shinra
Shinra Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.13 10:53:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: King Fury
*snip*


I'm sure that since bob is made up of loosers, you have nothing to worry about.

About Shinra merging into RKK, then its the same guys that were instrumental in helping LV claim all the space we once had, that are now in BOB. Yes, LV as an alliance got kicked out of our regions and crumpled under the pressure of the coalition. But now the same guys are back in Tenerifes and figthing the coalition in the systems LV owned, just under a different banner.

So your main in GOON might have disposed of LV name, but certainly not the members. And it sounds like it's driving you cracy that you couldn't get people to stop fighting you, so you can NPC/mine in peace.

welsh wizard
Caldari
0utbreak
KrautbreaK
Posted - 2007.05.13 11:02:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: welsh wizard on 13/05/2007 11:00:13
3 months is probably a little optimistic but hes essentially right.

edit: imo

Malachon Draco
Caldari
eXceeded
Posted - 2007.05.13 11:12:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Guderian
Originally by: King Fury
*snip*



I'm sure that since bob is made up of loosers, you have nothing to worry about.

About Shinra merging into RKK, then its the same guys that were instrumental in helping LV claim all the space we once had, that are now in BOB. Yes, LV as an alliance got kicked out of our regions and crumpled under the pressure of the coalition. But now the same guys are back in Tenerifes and figthing the coalition in the systems LV owned, just under a different banner.

So your main in GOON might have disposed of LV name, but certainly not the members. And it sounds like it's driving you cracy that you couldn't get people to stop fighting you, so you can NPC/mine in peace.


Actually, if he wanted to he could easily mine in peace. All he has to do is put (one of) his characters in a BoB renter corp and mine and rat in peace without anyone bothering him.

darth solo
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Posted - 2007.05.13 11:20:00 - [113]
 

its best to avoid getting involved in the uber cap blob warfare unless u are a power gamer. the whole thing has been handled VERY badly by ccp, especially the MS and titans, i mean wtf ccp were u thinking?. maybe next time think then act.

i very hi % of eve are casual gamers working hard just to get into and equip BS, u think they enjoy being doomsdayd from ships 20 jumps away?, look after ur bread and butter boys.

im far away from all that stupidity.


d solo.

Tzrailasa
Gallente
Tzrailasa Corp
Posted - 2007.05.13 11:20:00 - [114]
 

Edited by: Tzrailasa on 13/05/2007 11:21:16
Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
CCP removed that advantage by capping systems to 700 pilots at a time.

I know that this is the principal tinfoilhattery theory, but look here for a more plausible theory (last half of post), especially since local in F-TE1T never exceeded 550 according to people who were there (I was lagged out in the next system and couldn't get in either). 550 is NOT equal to 700....
Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
BoB currently has the most titans that are publicly known.

Currently, yes, but up until last week, the Titan numbers were EVEN! 3 for us, 3 for the cryalition.
If they are such non-surmountable obstacles, how come we're not bothered?
Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
They can remote detonate killing billions in a shot for around 20 million in cost per shot.

Yes, they can do that, but afaik (and from personal observation), that is a feature far more used by the cryalition titan pilots than ours.
Cyno-DD is not all that effective, since the cyno going up is an instant warning to everyone on grid (in comparison, the DD effect takes a while to be really visible).
Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
The only really effective counter strategy was to use blob tactics where you brought as many as you could and hoped that you could have enough survive the titan blasts to achieve your goal.

THAT, is just about the worst strategy I've ever heard!!! Rolling Eyes

Tzrailasa
Gallente
Tzrailasa Corp
Posted - 2007.05.13 11:22:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Tzrailasa on 13/05/2007 11:20:12
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Guderian
Stuff...

Actually, if he wanted to he could easily mine in peace. All he has to do is put (one of) his characters in a BoB renter corp and mine and rat in peace without anyone bothering him.

Malachon, you DO realise how badly your comment here just PWN'd the cryalition??? Twisted Evil

Bibi
Minmatar
Basic Tritanium Mining North
Posted - 2007.05.13 11:28:00 - [116]
 

Johana Walker you are worried about the whole damn eve world. maybe its tooooo much for you ?

go play something else.... please

ShadowlordUK
Amarr
Portal Technologies
Posted - 2007.05.13 11:36:00 - [117]
 

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Sean Drake
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Posted - 2007.05.13 11:54:00 - [118]
 

I am now starting to think CCP should nerf cap ships as it might be worth it to stop all the god damn MOANING from what passes for a coallition.

I'm not going to point out or cherry pick quotes from Goons and friends in other threads defending the use of node killing super blobs during there war with LV that would be too easy.

I'm not going to point out that if got your SuperCap ship pilots to stop piwating in low sec and come and fight it might help that would be too easy.

I'm not going to point out that if you could pry RA out of the complexs and into the front lines might help and that giving them all the complexs BEFORE the war was finished was silly we all know that was all they wanted that would be too easy.

I'm all so not going to point out that whenever one of you nubs posts on here either with "waaaaa wwaaa were losing nerf somthing" or "were uber and all the BoB pets are going to die" etc you really just give us a nice warm fuzzy feeling That would be too easy.

But you see thats the nice kinda guy I am so I won't mention any of it.
Besides everyone knows this is far from over.

HordeZla
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.05.13 12:37:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Johana Walker
About 150 Caps and various super caps depending on the day. So far every single entity that has the superblob has taken one look at it, decided that there was no way in hell they could fight it, and gone away. Lets be honest the only thing keeping the superblob from sweaping all in it's way is the logistics time it take to take another system. Where are the rest of the coallition, desparately trying to build more (super)caps if they have any sense.

Unless somebody can kill the superblob this will all be over in two or three months with BoB controlling most of conquorable 0.0. At that point the only thing that can threaten the BoB age is CCP changing game mechanics so that supercaps can be built at NPC stations.

God some day's I hate this game.




When you have stopped crying like a little girl, can I have your stuff?

Corphus
Gallente
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.05.13 12:58:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
Originally by: Dracolich
Clearly the blunder of it all, was that the Coalition attacked MC instead of hiring them.


They did attempt to hire MC


No. Not one member of the Northern powers attempted to contact me with regard to making a serious offer against their enemies.


you wouldnt accept an offer which includes fighting vs ur business partners i guess tho.

u must think about it that way, the coalition doesnt trust mc since they reside under bobs supremacy. trust is the most valuable good in eve. the coalition wouldnt give away their trust that easily.

another point is your price. i wouldnt spend/risk that amout of isk for hiring someone to do the work for me. i would invest it in my own power instead.

i guess they basement for mercenary work is absolute neutrality. without absolute neutrality you cant offer a trustworthy service, even if ur achievements speak for themselves.

consequently siding with bob in this conflict kind of ruined ur repetition with the half of eve since there is the bob power block and the coalition power block (wrong time, wrong place). the rest simply cant hire u due to ur exorbitant conditions.
but correct me if im wrong.
something i walways wanted to know is the base hirng price for an "bring my enemy the apocalypse" service with the duration of a month?


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