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NereSky
Gallente
RETRIBUTIONS.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2007.05.12 00:04:00 - [481]
 

Edited by: NereSky on 12/05/2007 00:23:20
Originally by: General Windypops
Just so VERY embarassing for the Cryolition crew. They had everything on their side. Despite the fact that the war was created by abusing a real life tragedy from a BoB member they bizarrely managed to spin doctor most of Eve into fighting against BoB. If i had the energy to bother reading their depressing, countless threads about how BoB was going to die it would be immensely amusing.

Cryalition had so much potential to finally take the fight to the Alliance, but at the end of the day they didn't have the talent. Pretty poor when you go from a starting point of having almost every corp in Eve spin-doctored against BoB, and STILL manage to lose.

I just wish the war had lasted a little longer. RA had real potential, and combined with the dumb meatshield of Goons they should have been unstoppable Sadly, as some predicted, they never had the leadership qualities to finish what they started.


Rolling Eyes Sigh you are just not worth it - (edited as i should keep my own opinion of those posters to myself. whips himself as a punitive measure)

Darko1107
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2007.05.12 00:12:00 - [482]
 

I think all this no life crap needs dropping now tbh. Yes I know its mostly "my side" doing it. Some BoB members may have thier priorities mixed up, or spend alot more time on eve than you do, but its thier life, and they can do with it as they wish, they shouldnt be slandered for it. Its that effort thats got them this far, and if they can sit back and genuinely say they are proud of what they have accomplished in the past 3 years of thier lives, then so be it.

If you going to say such things, at least put it across in a decent manner, simply state that they spend more time on eve thus can get more done. Theres no need for the playground insults about no mates etc. (Though they can be really funny if light hearted :).)


Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.12 00:13:00 - [483]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Just so VERY embarassing for the Cryolition crew. They had everything on their side. Despite the fact that the war was created by abusing a real life tragedy from a BoB member they bizarrely managed to spin doctor most of Eve into fighting against BoB. If i had the energy to bother reading their depressing, countless threads about how BoB was going to die it would be immensely amusing.

Cryalition had so much potential to finally take the fight to the Alliance, but at the end of the day they didn't have the talent. Pretty poor when you go from a starting point of having almost every corp in Eve spin-doctored against BoB, and STILL manage to lose.

I just wish the war had lasted a little longer. RA had real potential, and combined with the dumb meatshield of Goons they should have been unstoppable Sadly, as some predicted, they never had the leadership qualities to finish what they started.

Why is it that the worst pro-BoB smack isn't even from BoB themselves? ugh

Akoudoulos
Gallente
Maza Nostra
HELL4S
Posted - 2007.05.12 00:34:00 - [484]
 

Nice stats
btw this is just bob losses
you forget to mention the LV stations
and about all of your allies losses


laotse
Gallente
shangdi
Posted - 2007.05.12 00:36:00 - [485]
 

in 90 day,s bob will be like ascn xetic and kill it self thnx molle lust for hunger kill,s all Very Happy

Dianabolic
Gallente
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.12 01:01:00 - [486]
 

Originally by: Darko1107
I think all this no life crap needs dropping now tbh. Yes I know its mostly "my side" doing it. Some BoB members may have thier priorities mixed up, or spend alot more time on eve than you do, but its thier life, and they can do with it as they wish, they shouldnt be slandered for it. Its that effort thats got them this far, and if they can sit back and genuinely say they are proud of what they have accomplished in the past 3 years of thier lives, then so be it.

If you going to say such things, at least put it across in a decent manner, simply state that they spend more time on eve thus can get more done. Theres no need for the playground insults about no mates etc. (Though they can be really funny if light hearted :).)




You're not allowed to post with respect or conscience, Darko, it's in the contract.

Sujin Kai
Caldari
Starship Direct
Posted - 2007.05.12 01:18:00 - [487]
 

Quote:
On February 10th Band of Brothers announced it was time to move onto the second phase of the largest premeditated conflict in history. Like clockwork, enemies rose to the occasion and constructed the single largest organization of players ever seen;
What is it about your real life that gives you this overwhelming compulsion to talk as though you control every aspect of Eve? The act was already exposed when you claimed you were "Stealing Chow's targets", only to be beaten back by a two-pronged counterattack, to watch LV crumble into dust over the course of a few weeks. The act was exposed again when you posted that truly pathetic stuff about your enemies being "dead already" because "we are BoB" (seriously, what were you thinking when you wrote that?).

Now in spite of that double exposure of your hollow pretensions you are back to the same old thing. "We totally wanted a war and our STUPID enemies attacked us like clockwork!". *******s. Your enemies attacked you and you were forced to respond.

Frankly if I were a young man being led around by a middle-aged man who derived all his self-worth from his (unrealistic) perception that he was manipulating a video game world, I would be creeped out. For the young alliance leaders their devotion to the challenges of this game, and the skills they build in leadership and organisation, can hopefully be turned into something useful in the real world one day. But you're already long past the point in your life where you should have used whatever skills you have, and you're still deploying them in Eve. To compensate for your knowledge of that fact you try to project an image of being the very top of the heap ("Hey, SirMolle's competing against a bunch of kids!", "yeah, but he's beatin' the pants off them!").

I shudder to think what's going to happen when it all comes crashing down or, worse, when you win Eve and realise that it doesn't matter.

Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.12 01:25:00 - [488]
 

Nice stats for 90 days hoping for more carnage in the next phase :)

I would like to express lots of <3 to our allies as well you have been slandered a lot and been blobbed a lot by the coalition and still stood ur ground and gave em hell much respect . I have had the pleasure to fly with lots of you and looking forward to flying with the rest and have even more fun.

Dianabolic
Gallente
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.12 01:28:00 - [489]
 

Originally by: Akoudoulos
Nice stats
btw this is just bob losses
you forget to mention the LV stations
and about all of your allies losses




Which is quite clearly stated in the OP. Or did you not read it properly?

Avernus
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2007.05.12 02:05:00 - [490]
 

Just read the whole thread. I can't help but admit that there is a smile on my face, again...

To all those who contacted me to see if they could persuade me to sway FIX to abandon BoB and 'fight for our freedom', I have one thing to say... told you so. I don't know what it is about FIX in all honesty. Most of the time other corps and alliances show respect, then the shooting starts. When FIX is getting piled upon, we're suddenly considered a 'joke' of an alliance, and streams of abuse are directed towards us constantly as enemies strive to break us; multiple alliances hit ED-L9T as their primary target, they came in fresh, while FIX had just come out of a war once again.

I'm mentally blown away at how this aspect of FIX history tends to repeat itself again and again.

Outnumbered, outgunned... no crying. <- try it sometime. FIX is still standing and the tone of the posts in CODA begin to change again, all of a sudden we're not the joke of an alliance we were supposed to be. People are less quick to call us slaves or pets.

That's ok, you will again the next time FIX gets piled on, because FIX has been through this plenty of times before; we know the score.

For some of the coalition, it's your turn to suck it up. As always, there are only two options available.
Either you suck it up and deal with it.
Or, you bury your head in the sand and make excuses.

Only one of the above works if you want to survive.

Zrevak Ashek
Caldari
Galactic Shipyards Inc
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2007.05.12 02:19:00 - [491]
 

Originally by: Lady Gadiva
I just read the whole thread and it makes me somewhat sad to see the bitterness - especially from Razor and D2 (and especially when we haven't even seen them in combat). Remember this is a game and you should be playing it to have fun. If you are that bitter then try a 3-month break from the CAOD snake pit to put things in perpective. BoB has many a fanatical member but we play to have fun and my wife hasn't mentioned divorce yet.

And many of you are posting like the war is over but it's just starting. With Feythabolis now 100% retaken and safe BoB now sits on the Goons border and RA have suddenly woken up to the fact that there is a danger and moved all their pilots to Tenerifis. So all the good battles and the battles we really want to fight are ahead of us and that is somewhat exciting to me as a former LV pilot.



Yes, now u'll be fighting MACTEP, should be alot more interesting for you, I guess.

Voculus
Minmatar
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.12 02:45:00 - [492]
 

Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Yes, Bob are the masters at cheating. Neutral

Yes they are, actually, and it's been proven beyond all doubt.

Client hacks? Don't make me laugh. What do you call having CCP give you inside information to help keep your alliance a step ahead of everyone else?

The BoB directorate had a huge blowout over hoarding information CCP had passed down to them. Dianabolic, upset over being attacked by fellow bobbits for not sharing, told them, "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP."

Now that's cheating.

Bared Bel'Medar
Caldari
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.05.12 02:50:00 - [493]
 

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Steel Rat
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.05.12 02:57:00 - [494]
 

Edited by: Steel Rat on 12/05/2007 02:59:03
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux

Anyway, if I read the post I originally quoted right (which obviously could be not the case), it was a shot at Axiom Empire who after the complete and utter defeat of ASCN was quite quick to get positive standings with BoB so they could also "win". At that point in time there was no even a "choo choo" yet.



Axiom Empire looked at a number of options. We had offers from all over Eve to join and do different things. We went into the drone regions for a bit, we entertained some other options but it really came down to changing who and what we are.

For 3+ years I have worked with the likes of the coalition. And its always the same attitude. Always the same game. The carebears get richer and the pvpers do all the work. I have watched BoB grow over those same years always hoping that I could help another alliance reach that level of teamwork and committment. I think we came close with ASCN but a number of things occurred, prior to and during the BoB war, that doomed ASCN.

You can see the same attitudes today. There is no teamwork. Your all whining about BoB and the "pets", game mechanics, etc etc etc. I refused to be part of that again. I saw it in Xetic, I saw it in ASCN, hell, I even saw it my own alliance. The greedy get rich and the guys who worked so hard to protect their assets, so they could make all that isk, get left with nothing. D2/G and their "pets", RA, GOONS, the primary movers and shakers in the coalition have always been regarded as hostile to Axe and DDC. BoB and DDC have had our moments but we have always been straight up with each other.

So when it came down to which side is Steel Rat and DDC going to fall on, I think its rather obvious I would side with a group of people who know about teamwork and don't whine about game mechanics and titans and get stuff done, who I have known since before Eve and win or lose, I knew me and my corp would have fun and lots of pewpew.

After almost 2 months of looking around for a new place to hang Axe's hat, BoB and I came to an agreement. We haven't looked back since. It has been the best move I could have done for Axe. If the coalition pulls together and removes their heads from each others posteriors, they could very well beat BoB and its "pets". BoB could own all of 0.0. Either way, Axe is and will continue to have fun flying alongside some of the best pilots and teamwork in the game.

But please, Axe didn't join BoB to "win" Eve. We joined BoB so the allied channels we are in, aren't full of whining and blame. They are full of people doing their best and putting it on the line.

FireFox McProwler
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Posted - 2007.05.12 03:20:00 - [495]
 

Originally by: Steel Rat
Edited by: Steel Rat on 12/05/2007 02:59:03
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux

Anyway, if I read the post I originally quoted right (which obviously could be not the case), it was a shot at Axiom Empire who after the complete and utter defeat of ASCN was quite quick to get positive standings with BoB so they could also "win". At that point in time there was no even a "choo choo" yet.



Axiom Empire looked at a number of options. We had offers from all over Eve to join and do different things. We went into the drone regions for a bit, we entertained some other options but it really came down to changing who and what we are.

For 3+ years I have worked with the likes of the coalition. And its always the same attitude. Always the same game. The carebears get richer and the pvpers do all the work. I have watched BoB grow over those same years always hoping that I could help another alliance reach that level of teamwork and committment. I think we came close with ASCN but a number of things occurred, prior to and during the BoB war, that doomed ASCN.

You can see the same attitudes today. There is no teamwork. Your all whining about BoB and the "pets", game mechanics, etc etc etc. I refused to be part of that again. I saw it in Xetic, I saw it in ASCN, hell, I even saw it my own alliance. The greedy get rich and the guys who worked so hard to protect their assets, so they could make all that isk, get left with nothing. D2/G and their "pets", RA, GOONS, the primary movers and shakers in the coalition have always been regarded as hostile to Axe and DDC. BoB and DDC have had our moments but we have always been straight up with each other.

So when it came down to which side is Steel Rat and DDC going to fall on, I think its rather obvious I would side with a group of people who know about teamwork and don't whine about game mechanics and titans and get stuff done, who I have known since before Eve and win or lose, I knew me and my corp would have fun and lots of pewpew.

After almost 2 months of looking around for a new place to hang Axe's hat, BoB and I came to an agreement. We haven't looked back since. It has been the best move I could have done for Axe. If the coalition pulls together and removes their heads from each others posteriors, they could very well beat BoB and its "pets". BoB could own all of 0.0. Either way, Axe is and will continue to have fun flying alongside some of the best pilots and teamwork in the game.

But please, Axe didn't join BoB to "win" Eve. We joined BoB so the allied channels we are in, aren't full of whining and blame. They are full of people doing their best and putting it on the line.


I agree with Steel on his choice. The game gets alot more enjoyable when you got people who are motivated and will do anything to finish the mission or to finish something. I think alot of people would like to sit down, not follow the bandwagon people who jump on and off every other week.

NATMav
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.05.12 03:24:00 - [496]
 

Originally by: Avernus
Just read the whole thread. I can't help but admit that there is a smile on my face, again...

To all those who contacted me to see if they could persuade me to sway FIX to abandon BoB and 'fight for our freedom', I have one thing to say... told you so. I don't know what it is about FIX in all honesty. Most of the time other corps and alliances show respect, then the shooting starts. When FIX is getting piled upon, we're suddenly considered a 'joke' of an alliance, and streams of abuse are directed towards us constantly as enemies strive to break us; multiple alliances hit ED-L9T as their primary target, they came in fresh, while FIX had just come out of a war once again.

I'm mentally blown away at how this aspect of FIX history tends to repeat itself again and again.

Outnumbered, outgunned... no crying. <- try it sometime. FIX is still standing and the tone of the posts in CODA begin to change again, all of a sudden we're not the joke of an alliance we were supposed to be. People are less quick to call us slaves or pets.

That's ok, you will again the next time FIX gets piled on, because FIX has been through this plenty of times before; we know the score.

For some of the coalition, it's your turn to suck it up. As always, there are only two options available.
Either you suck it up and deal with it.
Or, you bury your head in the sand and make excuses.

Only one of the above works if you want to survive.


You survive only because of BoB. Don't get all delusional.

Lobo13
Gallente
The Intergalactic Federation
New Eden Legion
Posted - 2007.05.12 03:26:00 - [497]
 

As a former ASCNer I have nothing but good things to say about AXE.

They do what needs to be done.

As for the Molle post...

<upper_management_on>
Can we get a break down on corp/alliance kills? All those numbers are too much and I need a more comprehensive breakdown so I make my decisions.

So if you could get those to me ASAP mmmkay?
</upper_management_off>

Lobo13.

Blight1
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.12 03:38:00 - [498]
 

Ok, i've read and i'm usually very quiet, but to those saying "You survive only because of X Alliance"... Isn't that suppose to be what teams are about? We form our alliances because we put our trust in each other...

You say FiX only won because BoB helped you. But when we had damn near every alliance in the north banging on our door you didnt hear us yelling, you're only beating up on us because there are 7 alliances! Thats what the game as about... utilize your friend to achieve a common goal. You form alliances so when you're in trouble one of your friends come and help. It is unfortunate it doesn't work that way in the Coalition so you must flame the alliance for it? Its part of the war... I'm almost positive that you didn't hear the europeans going, "Damnit I don't want the americans to join when Germany is kicking our butt!"

To AXE... keep on keepin' on... What you said I have much respect for, and agree whole heartedly.

Exortius Amarrus
Amarr
No.Mercy
Gentlemen's Club
Posted - 2007.05.12 04:00:00 - [499]
 

You brought all your friends and the kitchen sink to ED-. Five to six alliances. More then enough to steamroll a "dead alliance".

While you needed five other alliances to stand a chance, we needed only one.

The irony in hearing any coalition member state that FIX would be dead without BoB is simply staggering. This, the same coalition who left no belt unturned when finding pilots to throw into the meat grinder that is Querious.

During that extended siege, I took screenshots of every local log with IRON or other northern smack in it. Comments such as "nice region, we'll take it" and "you'd better start moving your gear out", hardened my resolve at the time. Now, they make me smile.

I could bring up the way in which FIX handled insane odds and the prospect of an extended siege (excitement, stockpiling, planning), and the way IRON prepared for such an assault (forum war, move to empire), but that just wouldn't be civil of me.

I'm sure that behind these computer screens, we are much the same. But in this game, we are so very different.

Rhaegor Stormborn
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.05.12 04:35:00 - [500]
 

Originally by: Akoudoulos

and about all of your allies losses


Why does everyone feel the need to talk about their allies? This is about BoB. You went to war with BoB. You set out to destroy BoB. This thread shows your failure. Let alone, most of BoB allies have been doing quite well and are above 50% efficiency. What happened to LV happened to LV, it did not happen to BoB, and if anything, it made BoB stronger. So please, give it a rest trying to make yourself feel better with the comments about the minimal losses you have imposed upon BoB's allies as it has gotten you no where closer to your goal of defating BoB. You have only made is easy for us PvP fanatic BoB allies to find battles without travelling 30 jumps from our homes, and for that, I must say thank you.

Yakia TovilToba
Caldari
Halliburton Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.12 04:40:00 - [501]
 

Just one thought on this numbers (not sure if someone else mentioned, didn't read all the 17 pages):
The bob ship losses were more expensive than the ones that bob killed in average.
This caus bob usually use expensive stuff, tech 2 fitting most of time (and maybe even rigs, not sure on this though, but if they use expensive fitting its likely they use rigs more often as their enemies aswell). And after insurance the ship itself is not much (e.g. a drake battelcruiser somewhere around 10 mil) but all that tech 2 stuff can be worth several times the isk of the ship (e.g. a tech 2 fitted drake can sum up over 70mil), so you can't just compare bob ship loss and bob enemies ship loss 1:1.

doctorstupid2
Gallente
The Accursed
Posted - 2007.05.12 04:48:00 - [502]
 

Originally by: Lobo13
As a former ASCNer I have nothing but good things to say about AXE.

They do what needs to be done.


Originally by: Blight1
To AXE... keep on keepin' on... What you said I have much respect for, and agree whole heartedly.
Cool

Avernus
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2007.05.12 04:50:00 - [503]
 

Originally by: NATMav
You survive only because of BoB. Don't get all delusional.

I have no delusions about FIX. If we were delusional, we'd have been dead two years ago. Eve isn't forgiving of stupidity; there is a very long list of delusional alliances that no longer exist, we're not on that list for good reason.

NATMav
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.05.12 05:39:00 - [504]
 

Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: NATMav
You survive only because of BoB. Don't get all delusional.

I have no delusions about FIX. If we were delusional, we'd have been dead two years ago. Eve isn't forgiving of stupidity; there is a very long list of delusional alliances that no longer exist, we're not on that list for good reason.



Except that has nothing to do with what I said.

Your post indicated that FIX held Querious on its own. I disagree. From my perpesctive, the Querious front was very successful for the coalition. Querious space was largely controlled by coalition pilots, and FIX took huge losses when they did come out to fight. I think the coalition failed in that the other fronts were not as successful, or did not have the same sustained pressure, which allowed BoB to come save the day at key times without compromising the other fronts.

LordChaos
Amarr
SandStorm.
Posted - 2007.05.12 05:52:00 - [505]
 

respect to BoB and all its members u guys did dam good

coalition guys i dont know what u guys doing but u really need to start working togther or just bend over to BoB LaughingLaughingLaughing

and quit making excuses lol play the dam game have fun get owned leave with a smile :) own them dont boost about it .. keep going :)

at the end of the day its a game....... dont take it too serious.

anyways gl again to everyone :)



ishkabibble
Gallente
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.05.12 05:55:00 - [506]
 

Edited by: ishkabibble on 12/05/2007 06:14:05
Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: NATMav
You survive only because of BoB. Don't get all delusional.

I have no delusions about FIX. If we were delusional, we'd have been dead two years ago. Eve isn't forgiving of stupidity; there is a very long list of delusional alliances that no longer exist, we're not on that list for good reason.



Except that has nothing to do with what I said.

Your post indicated that FIX held Querious on its own. I disagree. From my perpesctive, the Querious front was very successful for the coalition. Querious space was largely controlled by coalition pilots, and FIX took huge losses when they did come out to fight. I think the coalition failed in that the other fronts were not as successful, or did not have the same sustained pressure, which allowed BoB to come save the day at key times without compromising the other fronts.


Coalition objective from the beginning regarding Querious (probably around X-mas time)
1)Grind FIX down
2)Kill them off and kick them out of Querious
3)Take ED- and/or 9CG stations as beachfront for access to Delve

Purple at bottom left says everything that needs to be said

The truth shall set you free

Edit: Wanted to add to avernus post and also say props to FLA for standing up and fighting regardless of how outnumbered you were, i hope the rest of eve can follow your example because it would make the game alot more enjoyable on all fronts

Alice Cholmondeley
Amarr
I Am Legend
Posted - 2007.05.12 05:57:00 - [507]
 

Originally by: Voculus
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Yes, Bob are the masters at cheating. Neutral

Yes they are, actually, and it's been proven beyond all doubt.

Client hacks? Don't make me laugh. What do you call having CCP give you inside information to help keep your alliance a step ahead of everyone else?

The BoB directorate had a huge blowout over hoarding information CCP had passed down to them. Dianabolic, upset over being attacked by fellow bobbits for not sharing, told them, "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP."

Now that's cheating.


If you think someone cheats, petition it. Stop whining about it on the forums which is counterproductive.

Stoned Celt
Caldari
Bloodnok Technologies
Posted - 2007.05.12 06:09:00 - [508]
 

I find it funny that the Coilition have gone from accusing BOB of everything from exploits to the more recent - they don't have real lives.

I believe you are missing the point. BoB have an Espirit de Corpsthat the great majority of alliances can only dream about.

They are not winning because they spend more time online, they are winning because the time they do spend online is not wasted. They don't have to beg in their channels to get people to stop ratting and join gangs to go out and fight. For them fighting is what it is all about and it is fun.

BOB excel at what they do and learn from their mistakes. The Coilition aren't as good, in many cases, and look for excuses and blame everybody and everything but themselves when things go wrong.

It seems now that the Allies are on the offensive it will be interesting to see whether the Coilition will manage to boost its members' morale and get their act together or crack under the pressure.

To be honest I'm putting my money on the latter.

Avernus
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2007.05.12 06:10:00 - [509]
 

Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: NATMav
You survive only because of BoB. Don't get all delusional.

I have no delusions about FIX. If we were delusional, we'd have been dead two years ago. Eve isn't forgiving of stupidity; there is a very long list of delusional alliances that no longer exist, we're not on that list for good reason.



Except that has nothing to do with what I said.

Your post indicated that FIX held Querious on its own. I disagree. From my perpesctive, the Querious front was very successful for the coalition. Querious space was largely controlled by coalition pilots, and FIX took huge losses when they did come out to fight. I think the coalition failed in that the other fronts were not as successful, or did not have the same sustained pressure, which allowed BoB to come save the day at key times without compromising the other fronts.

My post wasn't intended to indicate anything of the sort... you're reading it from a rather different perspective to the one in which it was written. Here is the deal however, FIX did take huge losses, and we're still here, and ED-L9T was a decisive battleground in which the Coalition was soundly defeated. Efforts against 9CG were kneecapped when it was realized that leaving ED alone wasn't an option in prosecuting a successful campaign in Q.

Moral of the story in the original post I made is simple... don't ***** about circumstances not being in your favor (that isn't directed at yourself specifically btw). I didn't mention FIX's allies, because my post wasn't about them; it was a result of seeing numberous Coalition pilots in this thread complaining about how the sky has fallen. Frankly, if an alliance can't face adversity with their chin held high, I have difficulty liking them.

FLA may not have been an alliance loaded with experience, but their attitude was tremendous; in far too many other quarters I see toys being thrown from prams at an impressive rate.

Stoned Celt
Caldari
Bloodnok Technologies
Posted - 2007.05.12 06:17:00 - [510]
 

Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Just one thought on this numbers (not sure if someone else mentioned, didn't read all the 17 pages):
The bob ship losses were more expensive than the ones that bob killed in average.
This caus bob usually use expensive stuff, tech 2 fitting most of time (and maybe even rigs, not sure on this though, but if they use expensive fitting its likely they use rigs more often as their enemies aswell). And after insurance the ship itself is not much (e.g. a drake battelcruiser somewhere around 10 mil) but all that tech 2 stuff can be worth several times the isk of the ship (e.g. a tech 2 fitted drake can sum up over 70mil), so you can't just compare bob ship loss and bob enemies ship loss 1:1.


Ever heard of T2 BPOs...? I'm led to believe BOB have got a lot of them. Wink


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