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Sheriff Justice
Rage Quit.
Posted - 2007.05.06 12:43:00 - [1]
 

Looked around forums for this but i cant find it.
I have a Navy Mega right now just fitting it out faction setup. However i seen the 25% Turret dmg bonus you get on vindi where not on the navy, would i be better with a vindi or a navy mega?!

Marquis Dean
Caldari
Indigo Fade
Posted - 2007.05.06 12:56:00 - [2]
 

Well you get a 25% dmage bonus with the Navy Mega too, you just have to have Gallente BS 5.

The Vindicator gets a very useful mwd cap bonus which yields 25% extra cap when fitting a mwd if you have Matari BS 5, and an extra midslots (vey useful).

The NavyThron get allround higher stats and an extra lowslot (very very useful). The Vindicator is better for PvP and the NavyThron is the choice for PvE.


But you failed to notice the damage bonus on the NavyThron, making me wonder how long you've been playing exactly...

Eeeeeeeeeeee....

Linium
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2007.05.06 12:58:00 - [3]
 

Vindicator, that 25% bonus allows the usaged of electrons while still giving great damage output. The rest of the grid can be used up to make a huge tank.

Aakron
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.06 12:58:00 - [4]
 

the vindicator has no extra damage bonus of note tbh, you shouldnt be piloting either ship without BS5, in which case the bonus is equal on both ships.

Nyana
Posted - 2007.05.06 12:59:00 - [5]
 

Disclaimer, I'm not in game so I'm not completely sure about everything said below. Anyway...
I don't really see why people prefer the Vindi. The cap bonus is nice and all, sure, but the Navy Mega is better at everything else...? IIRC, Cpu/grid/resistances etc are the same, but the Navy Mega has more hitpoints, and an extra low instead of an extra mid.
Most people use the extra mid to fit dual webs or dual warp dis, whereas a lowslot can increase tank/damage quite a bit.

Marquis Dean
Caldari
Indigo Fade
Posted - 2007.05.06 13:00:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Linium
Vindicator, that 25% bonus allows the usaged of electrons while still giving great damage output. The rest of the grid can be used up to make a huge tank.


wtf.


Khorian
Gallente
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.05.06 13:01:00 - [7]
 

The 25% bonus on the Vindi can be misleading. Notice how she doesn't get a 5% increase per BS level. Both ships have the same damage bonus if you have Gallente BS 5. Vindi just has more cap with an MWD, wich makes it better for PvP in the end.

Dragy
Caldari
United Constructions
Posted - 2007.05.06 13:07:00 - [8]
 

And since the serpentis ships require minmatar skills they have better agility compared to the navythron and thron.

Nyana
Posted - 2007.05.06 13:16:00 - [9]
 

Things that differ between the two:

Navy Mega / Vindi

Med slots: 4 / 5
Low slots: 8 / 7
Shield: 9961 / 8695
Armor: 9961 / 9298
Struct: 11250 / 10500
Sensor strength: 25 / 23
Agility: 0.155 / 0.105 (lower is better AFAIK, so Vindi is more agile)
Cargo: 675 / 665m3

... and, of course, the bonuses. Damage is the same if you have Gallente BS 5, if not, the Vindi will outdamage the Navy Mega.

Gol'D Roger
Caldari
Posted - 2007.05.06 15:05:00 - [10]
 

the vindicator dues not get 25% more cap the description is totally bugged. its 7.5% per lvl that go against the 25% reduction. that means minmatar bs lvl 5 gives you 37.5%. the calculation gos like this

vindicator cap = 100% +/- (bonus value -25)% + cap skills

with maxed skills and a mwd fitted thats
5625 + (37.5-25)% + 25% = 7910

12.5% more cap

but that skill is usles in most missions cos you don't fit a mwd

Hephaesteus
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.05.06 15:20:00 - [11]
 

I could be wrong but I think the Navy Thron has a slightly better damage mod than the Vindi. Vindi has a 25% damage mod on a base score, but the Navy Thron adds 5% per lvl meaning it adds up to slightly more because each lvl has the bonus on a slightly higher modifier.

Not 100% sure tbh maybe someone can give a definate answer.

Gol'D Roger
Caldari
Posted - 2007.05.06 15:29:00 - [12]
 

unfortunately not. bonis by one source are count together and added at once so it gets 25% not 27.6%

Sheriff Justice
Rage Quit.
Posted - 2007.05.06 15:40:00 - [13]
 

meh.. yeh i forgot all about the BS 5 part which i have. So there for i have the 25% on the navy mega already. However i reckon il stick with navy mega as i would rather have the extra low slot. Thanks alot guys anyhow. o/

Winter Nuclear
Blue.
Posted - 2007.05.06 15:52:00 - [14]
 

Vindi: higher cap + extra mid = Sensor booster/ECCM = more damage dealt overall.
Navythron: high hp + extra low = extra EANM / Hardene r= more damage tanked.

Gladiator Jonny
Gallente
Invicta.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.05.06 16:05:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Winter Nuclear
Vindi: higher cap + extra mid = Sensor booster/ECCM = more damage dealt overall.
Navythron: high hp + extra low = extra EANM / Hardene r= more damage tanked.


Navy Mega = same low slot layout + 1 magstab = more dps dealt overall.

Sir Gwilloc
Gallente
Shade.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.05.06 16:35:00 - [16]
 

Hmm tbh read the bonus for a navy mega u dnt get 5% dmg per lvl of gallente bs its per lvl or large hybrid.

Special Ability: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 7.5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level.

in that were does it say gallente bs? excuse me if im wrong

Marquis Dean
Caldari
Indigo Fade
Posted - 2007.05.06 16:36:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Sir Gwilloc
Hmm tbh read the bonus for a navy mega u dnt get 5% dmg per lvl of gallente bs its per lvl or large hybrid.

Special Ability: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 7.5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level.

in that were does it say gallente bs? excuse me if im wrong



...you serious?

Of course it's by Gallente BS level.

madaluap
Gallente
Anthrax Foundation
Posted - 2007.05.06 17:49:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: madaluap on 06/05/2007 17:55:10
Edited by: madaluap on 06/05/2007 17:51:23
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Sir Gwilloc
Hmm tbh read the bonus for a navy mega u dnt get 5% dmg per lvl of gallente bs its per lvl or large hybrid.

Special Ability: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 7.5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level.

in that were does it say gallente bs? excuse me if im wrong



...you serious?

Of course it's by Gallente BS level.



Wow how can people be that clueless (read: new to the game)and try to advice a guy on some expensive toys.

Both vessels have a 25% damagebonus. Vindi has a fixed bonus, the other vessel has 25% @ lvl 5.

The navy mega has extra low and better stats, exept for agility. If you want to run missions, use that ship. That doesnt mean the navy issue mega has no place in pvp, with its good stats and extra low its quiet good. The vindicator however has more cap and allthough it has a low less, it can tank better (imo). Vindicator is total pvp, allthough it might work as a (very expensive) beltratter Wink.

Only reason why people do use electron on these ships, is because they fit officer/deadspace reppers on it. Void L + electron + kickass tank = pwnage. And all that while flying a sexy black mega. C'mon a black mega Cool.

Well i searched aswell and look:

Thread1 I guess Sir Gwilloc hasnt made a decision yet. Just read it, guess we have a new noob vindicator pilot Confused.
Thread2 Not 100% vindi vs navy issue mega but still good.

Ozzie Asrail
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.05.06 18:28:00 - [19]
 

The better agility of the vindi is a nice extra and the cap bonus is winner in 1v1 and small gang pvp imho.

FraXy
0utbreak
Posted - 2007.05.06 19:00:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Ozzie Asrail
The better agility of the vindi is a nice extra and the cap bonus is winner in 1v1 and small gang pvp imho.


Awesome sig! Laughing

WildSide
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.05.06 19:11:00 - [21]
 

I dont think many decent navy/vindi pilots uses electrons anymore to be honest.
After the Hp boost and age og rigs , Electrons do too little dmg...so ppl use either Ions or Neutrons.
I personaly like Ions wich means that I can fit the exact same tank as I could on a electron mega, just got to swap the Heavy nos for a medium corpum nos. (fit 1 pg rig and u got all the pg u need).

About the Vindi vs navy mega I think it mostly comes up to skills/isk invested into mods.
But since Multispec of Doom (ala farjung) is nerfed to hell....I would rather have a extra low slot.
The biggest advantage of the +1 med slot are that u ofc can fit a extra web or sensorbooster(handy)

But on the other hand...I can either fit a 2nd mag stab or (which i normaly do a 1600mm RT plate to beef up my hp base. 25k+ in armor with slaves.)

But Its all a matter of taste...

goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire
Posted - 2007.05.06 19:18:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Hephaesteus
I could be wrong but I think the Navy Thron has a slightly better damage mod than the Vindi. Vindi has a 25% damage mod on a base score, but the Navy Thron adds 5% per lvl meaning it adds up to slightly more because each lvl has the bonus on a slightly higher modifier.

Not 100% sure tbh maybe someone can give a definate answer.
You are right...

As for which is better ive never really seen why people love the vindi over the navy mega so much,id always go for that extra slot +hp over cap and 12.5% off of mwd cap use.

madaluap
Gallente
Anthrax Foundation
Posted - 2007.05.06 19:57:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: madaluap on 06/05/2007 19:55:10
Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Hephaesteus
I could be wrong but I think the Navy Thron has a slightly better damage mod than the Vindi. Vindi has a 25% damage mod on a base score, but the Navy Thron adds 5% per lvl meaning it adds up to slightly more because each lvl has the bonus on a slightly higher modifier.

Not 100% sure tbh maybe someone can give a definate answer.
You are right...

As for which is better ive never really seen why people love the vindi over the navy mega so much,id always go for that extra slot +hp over cap and 12.5% off of mwd cap use.


Because vindi is a black, pirate ship that can tank better than the vindi if you take a real pvp setup into account. But its a very personal choice yeh. I like the mwdbonus a lot, but a extra low slot and hp on navy issue mega makes it a tough decision if you have to pick between the two.

what do you like the best:

- More hp, extra low
- More cap, extra med, mwd bonus, fixed damagebonus.

edit: @ WildSide, i think people especially fit electron on the vindicator after HP boost. Before there was more chance of simply dealing so much damage that the target died, even with a medium/light tank.

Chronus26
Team Laser Explosion
Molotov Coalition
Posted - 2007.05.06 22:50:00 - [24]
 

- Don't underestimate the Vindicators cap bonus. I've seen Vindis hold their cap with almost the exact same setup as my Navy Mega, but in the same situation I know my Navy Issue would be toiling cap-wise.

- There is little reason left to fit Electrons on any Dual-rep Vindi/Navy Mega setup anymore, unless you aren't willing to invest in expensive stuff to get it to fit CPU wise.

- Both ships will have +25% to damage at level 5 BS. I've never seen a skill based bonus in eve that applies as 5 seperate +5% per level. Its always +10% at lvl 2, +25% at lvl 5 and so on.

Navy Mega:

+ 8 lows means dual reps, 5 slot-tank and Mag stab.
- Weak to modorate-heavy Nosing.
- Slightly slow and not too agile.

Vindicator:

+ Cap a lot more Nos resistant.
+ Decent speed and agility.
+ Extra mid, dual web is nice to catch those who love to orbit just out of your range.
- 2 BS lvl 5s to get the most out of it.
- Less tank to get the mag stab on.

Benglada
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.05.07 02:01:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Benglada on 07/05/2007 01:58:30
id much rather navy mega, so much you can do with an extra low slot.. not much you can do with a mid slot tbh.

Edit: and i cant fly mini bs, and have gal bs 5

Shardrael
Caldari
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2007.05.07 04:58:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Benglada
Edited by: Benglada on 07/05/2007 01:58:30
id much rather navy mega, so much you can do with an extra low slot.. not much you can do with a mid slot tbh.

Edit: and i cant fly mini bs, and have gal bs 5


not much you can do with a midslot?..... yeah I can see how target painting, sensor dampening, warp jamming, turret disruptin, cap boosting, webbing, etc etc etc is not really that useful....

Marduk Felzhen
Posted - 2007.05.07 06:13:00 - [27]
 

That man has no clothes and is bald. Hawt

Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2007.05.07 08:31:00 - [28]
 

Extra medslot? does that mean enough slots for a shield tank? Very Happy

madaluap
Gallente
Anthrax Foundation
Posted - 2007.05.07 09:27:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Extra medslot? does that mean enough slots for a shield tank? Very Happy


Very Happy, but even if you would try. You run out of cpu with rail setup i think. A extra med, but no extra cpu makes it not very shieldtankable. Buy a dominix if you want to do that :P

Gol'D Roger
Caldari
Posted - 2007.05.07 09:56:00 - [30]
 

Quote:
12.5% off of mwd cap use.


its not 12.5% of the cap use its + 12.5% to your cap if you build a mwd in. you get more cap with mwd then you had before the navy mega gets -25% you get +12.5% thats allot more cap.
btw a mid slot is more worth then a low slot for me. i would invest the low slot for a damage mod. the mid slot is of grater use. a target painter gives you more damage boost then a damage mod if your targets sig isn't huge already. a weber is awesome and a super tip is a ecm burst ^^ ****s every scorpion up.


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