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blara
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:38:00 - [1]
 

hello, current im paying in euro how can i change it in USD?

Flaming sambuka
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:39:00 - [2]
 

omfg is this for real?

Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:40:00 - [3]
 

You can't through automatic billing. You have to goto a place like ShatteredCrystal and buy a GTC(ETC) and change your account over to using timecards.

Monty Burns
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:40:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Monty Burns on 26/04/2007 12:36:54
Not sure your ment too Wink

However, go buy GTC's from the States instead, its sooooo cheap its just silly (and the exchange rate GBP to USD makes it hysterical!)

edit: 20 (38.99 US) for 3 months

Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:40:00 - [5]
 

i think you pay the same regardless of the symbol next to the ammount.

Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:42:00 - [6]
 

Pay in Euro's, we pay 30% more than paying in USD.

Paying in USD means this game costs the same as every other MMO out there.

Flaming sambuka
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:43:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Nicholas Barker
i think you pay the same regardless of the symbol next to the ammount.


ding ding ding, bingo

Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:44:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Flaming sambuka
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
i think you pay the same regardless of the symbol next to the ammount.


ding ding ding, bingo


Wrong for UK players.

Rough conversions...

Paying in Euro's = 10.50
Paying in USD = $6.70

Flaming sambuka
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:47:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot
Originally by: Flaming sambuka
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
i think you pay the same regardless of the symbol next to the ammount.


ding ding ding, bingo


Wrong for UK players.

Rough conversions...

Paying in Euro's = 10.50
Paying in USD = $6.70


Seriously? I really though it was all converted into equal ammounts so everybody pays the same price. or somin.

This is an outrage! CCP DAMMIT rip off britain 4tl

Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:47:00 - [10]
 

ok i'm confused

is it the same number, just a different symbol, which means that you pay totally different amounts cuz of exchange rate?

Monty Burns
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:48:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot
stuff


Wrong for UK players.

Rough conversions...

Paying in Euro's = 10.50
Paying in USD = $6.70


Aww you beat me to it! Very Happy




nardaq
UK Corp
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:49:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: nardaq on 26/04/2007 12:46:31
ya, i want that to

i got one account paying in USD $71 (=E52)
and this one in euro E71. see the difference?

Monty Burns
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:49:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Nicholas Barker
ok i'm confused

is it the same number, just a different symbol, which means that you pay totally different amounts cuz of exchange rate?


'ello traitor! :)

Yes mate, its do with conversion rates and currencies and the fact that the dollar is about as valuable as Monopoly money. Laughing

Still meeting us in Amsterdam?

Estel Arador
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:50:00 - [14]
 

Players from Europe have to pay VAT, so it's included in the price in Euros.
The price in USD does not include VAT. If a European player pays in USD, he may have to pay the VAT seperately (though noone cares enough to actually do that).

nardaq
UK Corp
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:52:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: nardaq on 26/04/2007 12:49:32
Originally by: Estel Arador
Players from Europe have to pay VAT, so it's included in the price in Euros.
The price in USD does not include VAT. If a European player pays in USD, he may have to pay the VAT seperately (though noone cares enough to actually do that).

so why the GTC has the EURO/USD rate correct and the "normal" billing not?

GTC
Currency Conversion.
Original amount
$49.95
Euros (EUR) € 39.77
Íslensk Króna (ISK) kr. 3248.70
British Pound (GBP) £ 27.31
Japan Yen (JPY) ¥ 5385.86

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2007.04.26 12:54:00 - [16]
 

If you live in Europe you pay in uro, which is higher because of the VAT tax. If you live outside Europe you pay in USD, where they don't have VAT. If you are billed in the wrong currency please submit a petition, but keep in mind that we won't change billing from EUR to USD if you live in Europe.

Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:55:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Andrue on 26/04/2007 12:53:19
Originally by: Flaming sambuka
Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot
Originally by: Flaming sambuka
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
i think you pay the same regardless of the symbol next to the ammount.


ding ding ding, bingo


Wrong for UK players.

Rough conversions...

Paying in Euro's = 10.50
Paying in USD = $6.70


Seriously? I really though it was all converted into equal ammounts so everybody pays the same price. or somin.

This is an outrage! CCP DAMMIT rip off britain 4tl
Oh get a clue!

It has nothing to do with rip-off Britain. As an EU citizen you have to pay VAT on your subscription so that's 17.5% extra. Britain has little or no say in that although I doubt it complained too much. The biggest difference though is caused by the state of the American Dollar in recent years. Basically everyone thinks that the American economy is on the verge of a collapse and consequently no-one much wants dollars. 'Worse' still the EU and especially UK economies are looking so healthy that people actively want to buy our currency.

From CCP's POV it means that EU customers are paying about the same as they used to but US customers are getting their subscription at a big discount. The only people happy about that are US customers (I guess it's compensation for living in a dodgy economy). For us it ought to be irrelevant but CCP are probably unhappy about it and would like to raise US subscription charges but daren't.

Hopefully they follow standard business practice and are somewhat cushioned from changes in the money market but nonetheless they probably aren't too pleased. They are about the only people who have a 'right' to be annoyed though.

Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:56:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Elgar Lightfoot on 26/04/2007 12:56:36
Originally by: Estel Arador
Players from Europe have to pay VAT, so it's included in the price in Euros.
The price in USD does not include VAT. If a European player pays in USD, he may have to pay the VAT seperately (though noone cares enough to actually do that).

If only that were true. VAT is 17.5% here in the UK.

10.50 from 6.70 is not 17.5%. It should be around 8.12 including VAT.
We are paying double by paying in Euro's.

Heck I don't mind paying VAT, but I refuse to pay 30% when the real tax is 17.5%

As to the statement about the weakness of the USD, not so long ago the to $ conversion rate was closer to 2.5. The USD has improved since that time and every other MMO I can even think of has their fee's set at the 6-7 price (converted from Dollars to Pounds Sterling).

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:59:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Chribba on 26/04/2007 12:55:03
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you live in Europe you pay in uro, which is higher because of the VAT tax. If you live outside Europe you pay in USD, where they don't have VAT. If you are billed in the wrong currency please submit a petition, but keep in mind that we won't change billing from EUR to USD if you live in Europe.
Wonder what RSV will say when I put a tax deduction for my accounts, will test that next year and see if it goes through lol

Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2007.04.26 12:59:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Andrue on 26/04/2007 12:55:25
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you live in Europe you pay in uro, which is higher because of the VAT tax.
Value Added Tax tax?

Laughing

Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
Posted - 2007.04.26 13:01:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Andrue
Edited by: Andrue on 26/04/2007 12:55:25
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you live in Europe you pay in uro, which is higher because of the VAT tax.
Value Added Tax tax?

Laughing


VAT <> 30%

Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2007.04.26 13:01:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot
Originally by: Estel Arador
Players from Europe have to pay VAT, so it's included in the price in Euros.
The price in USD does not include VAT. If a European player pays in USD, he may have to pay the VAT seperately (though noone cares enough to actually do that).

If only that were true. VAT is 17.5% here in the UK.

10.50 from 6.70 is not 17.5%. It should be around 8.12 including VAT.
We are paying double by paying in Euro's.
Not quite. American's are paying half what we do. That's a subtle but very important difference.

What you should be asking is "Why do Americans get a 50% discount?" and the answer is "because their currency is weak".

Freylor
Gallente
SnowSink Enterprises.
Posted - 2007.04.26 13:02:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you live in Europe you pay in uro, which is higher because of the VAT tax. If you live outside Europe you pay in USD, where they don't have VAT. If you are billed in the wrong currency please submit a petition, but keep in mind that we won't change billing from EUR to USD if you live in Europe.


So you'll happily charge us MORE but not less, ironic...

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2007.04.26 13:07:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Chribba
Edited by: Chribba on 26/04/2007 12:55:03
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you live in Europe you pay in uro, which is higher because of the VAT tax. If you live outside Europe you pay in USD, where they don't have VAT. If you are billed in the wrong currency please submit a petition, but keep in mind that we won't change billing from EUR to USD if you live in Europe.
Wonder what RSV will say when I put a tax deduction for my accounts, will test that next year and see if it goes through lol
Let me know how it goes...
Originally by: Andrue
Edited by: Andrue on 26/04/2007 12:55:25
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you live in Europe you pay in uro, which is higher because of the VAT tax.
Value Added Tax tax?

Laughing
I know, I know.. Just figured people wouldn't understand it's a tax if I didn't say it. Wink

Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
Posted - 2007.04.26 13:08:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Andrue
Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot
Originally by: Estel Arador
Stuff...

If only that were true. VAT is 17.5% here in the UK.

10.50 from 6.70 is not 17.5%. It should be around 8.12 including VAT.
We are paying double by paying in Euro's.
Not quite. American's are paying half what we do. That's a subtle but very important difference.

What you should be asking is "Why do Americans get a 50% discount?" and the answer is "because their currency is weak".

But thats simply not the case. CCP set the pricings in the two different currencies. We are told that we pay more because we have to pay VAT, however VAT is 17.5% where we are actually being chaged just over 30% more.
If we truly we're only paying tax on our fee's the US price would be precicely 17.5% below when converted to Euro's.
Theres no way to claim it's because the Dollar is week then CCP clearly post different costs for the two currencies.

I can and do pay a LOT less by paying in dollars then dealing with the VAT man myself.

Jelek Coro
Erase Rewind
Posted - 2007.04.26 13:09:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Freylor
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you live in Europe you pay in uro, which is higher because of the VAT tax. If you live outside Europe you pay in USD, where they don't have VAT. If you are billed in the wrong currency please submit a petition, but keep in mind that we won't change billing from EUR to USD if you live in Europe.


So you'll happily charge us MORE but not less, ironic...


EU players haveto be billed from EU if the service is provided from there...

Anyway, the Euro and Pound are particularly strong at the moment... a few years ago the Euro was extremely weak against the dollar.

People forget things like that....


Jags
Minmatar
Savvy Gents.
Posted - 2007.04.26 13:18:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Jags on 26/04/2007 13:15:17
The Dollar:euro/pound rate is massively tanking atm , so you get more $ for your /.

EU citizens should be billed in that is the law , feck all CCP can do about that.

However you can buy GTCs from US based companies and they will charge you in USD , converted to it means a big saving although some credit card companies will charge a fee for USD payments which may nulify any savings.

You need to work it out to see if it wil save you cash.

Corrino Irulan
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.04.26 13:18:00 - [28]
 

I'll go out on a limb here and presume that the majority of the operational cost off CCP is in Icelandic Krona.

That makes it a bit more complex from a currency exchange rate view. You'll have to look at it from the currency exchange rate ISK/USD and ISK/EUR to determine if CCP is taking in more or less profit. ugh

I'm sure there will be an *cough* idiot person on these forum that might turn this data into a graph Razz

Lord Matrix
Flying Banana Squad
Posted - 2007.04.26 13:19:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Lord Matrix on 26/04/2007 13:29:28
CCP should lower the prices for EU customers so we all pay the same amount of money.

DaRuLe
Caldari
Posted - 2007.04.26 13:21:00 - [30]
 

Quote:

If you purchase goods through the Internet you should be aware that Customs duty and VAT will be payable, as follows:

* Customs duty - if the amount of duty is 7 and over and
* Import VAT - if the value of the goods is 18 and over.


Let's see: 19.95 = 12.77

I'm importing stuff, so no VAT. CoolLaughing

Some more:

Quote:
2.3 Are import duties and import VAT always payable?

No. Customs duty is waived if the amount is less than 7.

Excise duty is not payable on gifts of tobacco and alcohol unless the quantitative limits set out in paragraph 2.5 are exceeded.

Import VAT is not payable on:

* commercial consignments eg goods purchased over the internet with an intrinsic value not exceeding 18, but this does not include alcohol, tobacco products, perfume or toilet waters
* gifts, excluding alcohol, tobacco, perfumes and toilet waters, with a value not exceeding 36 and which comply with the rules shown in paragraph 2.4
* gifts of alcohol, tobacco, perfumes and toilet waters that are within the quantitative allowances detailed in paragraphs 2.5 and 2.6.

There are a number of other circumstances where relief from some or all customs charges may be available. If you think your goods may be eligible for a relief you should contact the National Advice Service for further information.



A GTC is sent by email, how does this count then?

Oh something else,
If Iceland becomes a member state of the EU (part in bold):

Quote:

Customs and Taxation

The European Union is a customs union. This means that Member States have removed customs barriers between themselves and introduced a common customs policy towards other countries. Customs duties are, therefore, prohibited between Member States. On the other hand, as Article 90 of the EC Treaty provides, the states are free to tax as long as they do not discriminate towards other Member States. Therefore, Member State A will be able to tax cars at a rate that is twice as high as in Member State B, provided that it taxes all cars equally imported as well as those produced domestically.


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