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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.04.23 15:45:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/04/2007 15:41:51
I predicted it would take 6 months after Vista release for DX10 to be ported to Windows XP even in a limited format.

I underestimated the coders Laughing

Brisi
Caldari
Posted - 2007.04.23 15:55:00 - [2]
 

****ing win! So by the time I got enough cash for a DX10 capable computer, a fully DX10-ready XP should be available. Hopefully anyway Razz

lofty29
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.04.23 16:03:00 - [3]
 

Surely this is piracy? Razz MODS! Ban DS plzthnx!

General Xerxes
GREY COUNCIL
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2007.04.23 16:09:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/04/2007 15:41:51
I predicted it would take 6 months after Vista release for DX10 to be ported to Windows XP even in a limited format.

I underestimated the coders Laughing


Surprised H4x!

Sounds cool though and the already tiny number of reasons why I would even think of getting Vista is getting smaller.

Kasak Black
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.04.23 16:19:00 - [5]
 

Carefull DS, The Inquirer isn't known for its accurate reporting.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.04.23 16:25:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Kasak Black
Carefull DS, The Inquirer isn't known for its accurate reporting.

You're thinking of the wrong Inquirer.

The Inquirer is generally considered relatively accurate; note even the article I linked gives the news deserved skepticism.

Shalia Ripper
Caldari
The Elevens
Posted - 2007.04.23 16:43:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/04/2007 15:41:51
I predicted it would take 6 months after Vista release for DX10 to be ported to Windows XP even in a limited format.

I underestimated the coders Laughing


I expect that M$'s attack lawyers will be visiting a courtroom near this chap shortly.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.04.23 16:47:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Shalia Ripper
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/04/2007 15:41:51
I predicted it would take 6 months after Vista release for DX10 to be ported to Windows XP even in a limited format.

I underestimated the coders Laughing


I expect that M$'s attack lawyers will be visiting a courtroom near this chap shortly.

Reverse engineering isn't illegal, see WINE for example.

lofty29
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.04.23 16:50:00 - [9]
 

Yeah, I mean, you dont loose sec status for reverse engineering or anything Smile

Shalia Ripper
Caldari
The Elevens
Posted - 2007.04.23 17:26:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Shalia Ripper
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/04/2007 15:41:51
I predicted it would take 6 months after Vista release for DX10 to be ported to Windows XP even in a limited format.

I underestimated the coders Laughing


I expect that M$'s attack lawyers will be visiting a courtroom near this chap shortly.

Reverse engineering isn't illegal, see WINE for example.


it doesn't matter if it is illegal, expect M$ to make a fuss.

Hell, look at the crap SCO has pulled.

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2007.04.23 17:59:00 - [11]
 

If he comes out with a dx10 for dx9 hardware running on XP, Vista will die overnight. That or the linux guys are going to get into it and make me very happy indeed.

Peter Armstrong
Caldari
Trinity Corporate Services
Quantum Forge
Posted - 2007.04.23 18:03:00 - [12]
 

ok let me get this straight. run on XP = no need to ungrade to vista? and mean i can walk on station in the patch comes? i just cant be arsed to read it all as i not a computer person

Nyana
Posted - 2007.04.23 18:14:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Peter Armstrong
ok let me get this straight. run on XP = no need to ungrade to vista? and mean i can walk on station in the patch comes? i just cant be arsed to read it all as i not a computer person

Walking in stations doesn't require DX10 whatsoever. At least so a dev said on the forums recently.

Benco97
Gallente
Terraprobe Dynamics
Posted - 2007.04.23 19:05:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Benco97 on 23/04/2007 19:02:54
Edit - Dammit, hate.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.04.23 19:06:00 - [15]
 

I'm NOT surprised that it happened. I AM surprised that someone beat the Wine guys to it Shocked

Peter Armstrong
Caldari
Trinity Corporate Services
Quantum Forge
Posted - 2007.04.23 19:35:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Nyana
Originally by: Peter Armstrong
ok let me get this straight. run on XP = no need to ungrade to vista? and mean i can walk on station in the patch comes? i just cant be arsed to read it all as i not a computer person

Walking in stations doesn't require DX10 whatsoever. At least so a dev said on the forums recently.


Oh really? cool well least i know now. Its been a while i was keeping tabs about that.

Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
Posted - 2007.04.23 19:55:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Lithalnas
If he comes out with a dx10 for dx9 hardware running on XP, Vista will die overnight. That or the linux guys are going to get into it and make me very happy indeed.


People will buy vista because Microsoft tell them to, you overestimate the consumer

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.04.23 19:59:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
Originally by: Lithalnas
If he comes out with a dx10 for dx9 hardware running on XP, Vista will die overnight. That or the linux guys are going to get into it and make me very happy indeed.


People will buy vista because Microsoft tell them to, you overestimate the consumer

Incorrect.

They did a survey and 88% of Windows users said that they were not planning to upgrade to Vista in the next year.

The only copies of Vista selling are coming with new machines, and even Dell was forced by their userbase to start selling Windows XP on their computers again.

Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
Posted - 2007.04.23 20:10:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
Originally by: Lithalnas
If he comes out with a dx10 for dx9 hardware running on XP, Vista will die overnight. That or the linux guys are going to get into it and make me very happy indeed.


People will buy vista because Microsoft tell them to, you overestimate the consumer

Incorrect.

They did a survey and 88% of Windows users said that they were not planning to upgrade to Vista in the next year.

The only copies of Vista selling are coming with new machines, and even Dell was forced by their userbase to start selling Windows XP on their computers again.


I didn't say they would buy it now, and the copies with new computers are what matters anyway.

James Snowscoran
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.04.23 21:49:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
Originally by: Lithalnas
If he comes out with a dx10 for dx9 hardware running on XP, Vista will die overnight. That or the linux guys are going to get into it and make me very happy indeed.


People will buy vista because Microsoft tell them to, you overestimate the consumer

Incorrect.

They did a survey and 88% of Windows users said that they were not planning to upgrade to Vista in the next year.

The only copies of Vista selling are coming with new machines, and even Dell was forced by their userbase to start selling Windows XP on their computers again.


Same thing happened with XP though IIRC. People waited a while to upgrade because the initial version was full of security holes and bugs. Better wait a bit until it gets patched up properly so it actually works. Dell will probably switch over soon enough too.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.04.23 21:52:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: James Snowscoran
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
Originally by: Lithalnas
If he comes out with a dx10 for dx9 hardware running on XP, Vista will die overnight. That or the linux guys are going to get into it and make me very happy indeed.


People will buy vista because Microsoft tell them to, you overestimate the consumer

Incorrect.

They did a survey and 88% of Windows users said that they were not planning to upgrade to Vista in the next year.

The only copies of Vista selling are coming with new machines, and even Dell was forced by their userbase to start selling Windows XP on their computers again.


Same thing happened with XP though IIRC. People waited a while to upgrade because the initial version was full of security holes and bugs. Better wait a bit until it gets patched up properly so it actually works. Dell will probably switch over soon enough too.

Read what I wrote again. The opposite happened. Dell instantly switched to Vista, but the outpouring of user complaints was so great that they were forced to put XP back as an option.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.04.23 21:58:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: James Snowscoran
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
Originally by: Lithalnas
If he comes out with a dx10 for dx9 hardware running on XP, Vista will die overnight. That or the linux guys are going to get into it and make me very happy indeed.


People will buy vista because Microsoft tell them to, you overestimate the consumer

Incorrect.

They did a survey and 88% of Windows users said that they were not planning to upgrade to Vista in the next year.

The only copies of Vista selling are coming with new machines, and even Dell was forced by their userbase to start selling Windows XP on their computers again.


Same thing happened with XP though IIRC. People waited a while to upgrade because the initial version was full of security holes and bugs. Better wait a bit until it gets patched up properly so it actually works. Dell will probably switch over soon enough too.


Incidentally, same thing happened with Windows ME. And look what happened to THAT. They ended up retiring the whole OS tree. Just because XP pulled through, doesn't mean they all pull through.......

And you've gotta remember, XP marked a big step forward in technology over W2K, so there was a lot of incentive to switch. Microsoft knew that, which is why they pulled their DX10 stunt- and if DX10 becomes a non-issue, what have they got left? Just a buggy, insecure, resource hogging, DRM infested, overpriced version of XP.

mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
Posted - 2007.04.24 08:11:00 - [23]
 

Nice.. Vista with the graphical bells n whistles turned on was using almost a gig of ram, untill I turned all that ****e off.. Its similar to XP now.. But we'll see, may switch back to XP if that DX10 port is reliable.

Brolly
Caldari
5ER3NITY INC
Posted - 2007.04.24 08:28:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari

The only copies of Vista selling are coming with new machines, and even Dell was forced by their userbase to start selling Windows XP on their computers again.


lol, does'nt suprise me, the amount of people I have known to have problems with vista, both personal friends and customers is quite apalling.

Would'nt be so bad if certain PC makers actually put some deccent documantation in the box with the PC Rolling Eyes

Ealiom
EAT THE POOR
Posted - 2007.04.24 09:02:00 - [25]
 

I can see this getting nasty if it turns out to be true and the DX10 is stable in XP.
Microsoft will fight this by updating DX10 with ever increasing and pointless additions DX10a...DX10e

I seem to remember microsoft stating that this is what they have intended to do with DX10 and that the first update is due later this year. Thats all well and good. DX9c was luverly.

But im betting that they may cram in little extras to make it harder and harder for it to be ported to XP.
The last thing i want for my machine is for DX10 the mediator for all my gaming joy to become a battle ground.

Time will tell, either way im not to worried, it wont be long before some industrious fellow makes VistaLite(tm that hacks and strips all the gubbins from VistaFat(tm)

Khalm
Red Federation
Posted - 2007.04.24 09:12:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Khalm on 24/04/2007 09:08:26
I wont believe this until I see some real tests ran with real games.YARRRR!!

Vegetto Ichikai
Caldari
Ministry of Destruction
SCUM.
Posted - 2007.04.24 09:15:00 - [27]
 

Sod this merry-go-round, i'm going to try that Ubuntu Linux cack. I'm not as much of a gamer as i used to be, purely online, mainly MMO's now, so compatibility issues aren't so serious for me now.

Also, the security is still mega dodgy on Windows XP, dunno what it's like on linux, but it's like windows was designed to be a pretty face, but nothing underneath.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.04.24 10:15:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Ealiom
I can see this getting nasty if it turns out to be true and the DX10 is stable in XP.
Microsoft will fight this by updating DX10 with ever increasing and pointless additions DX10a...DX10e

I seem to remember microsoft stating that this is what they have intended to do with DX10 and that the first update is due later this year. Thats all well and good. DX9c was luverly.

But im betting that they may cram in little extras to make it harder and harder for it to be ported to XP.
The last thing i want for my machine is for DX10 the mediator for all my gaming joy to become a battle ground.

Time will tell, either way im not to worried, it wont be long before some industrious fellow makes VistaLite(tm that hacks and strips all the gubbins from VistaFat(tm)


When you think about it, its the potential to be a real embarrassment for Microsoft. Their sole stated reason for not making DX10 compatible with XP is that it just "couldn't be done"- it relied technologically on Vista components, and that it was physically impossible to separate it off.

If someone actually gets it working on XP (/ Linux / Mac / whatever), then thats conclusive proof that they lied. I'm no expert, but theres gotta be some lawyer somewhere who'd have a field day with that.

Plus, its not like Microsoft can really afford ANOTHER reputation hit.

Ealiom
EAT THE POOR
Posted - 2007.04.24 10:29:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Patch86
Plus, its not like Microsoft can really afford ANOTHER reputation hit.


Wink Wrong Wink
They can afford it everyday Laughing

Bless there money laden socks

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.04.24 10:34:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Ealiom
Originally by: Patch86
Plus, its not like Microsoft can really afford ANOTHER reputation hit.


Wink Wrong Wink
They can afford it everyday Laughing

Bless there money laden socks


Laughing

I see them a bit like a passenger jet flying at 50,000 feet. They're fast running out of working engines, but it'll still take them a while before they hit the ground Razz


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