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Danielle Steele
Minmatar
Devine Industries
Free Trade Zone.
Posted - 2007.04.21 11:39:00 - [1]
 


it is my duty to inform all shareholders of recent events. First some history.

My Main is Ricky Baby - i have known Agif ( Roule/N0bird ) for coming onto 8 months from when i first met him in Beagle. During January we decide that PvP was hurting our wallets and decided to do something so we move our alts into a industrial alliance to make some isk, we then ploughed all the money into funding a capital ship production line. as this would take a while with just us mining for a few hours a week we decided to run an IPO to raise the funds to build the company - with the intent to make ourself's enough money to play. Agif did most of the legwork in this - i just helped him with ideas and maths.

so the IPO went live and it was a slow thing, Agif put a few billion from his own assets into corp. i did the same. after that we were getting a steady yet smallish stream of offers from the public buying of the shares. we also had a few members from Beagle/the kennels buying shares including a lump sum amounting to 4billion isk. over the next month or so i logged my alt on - fueled the pos and generally made sure the pos was running, while Agif opened up DEVS as a industrial corp within the FTZ.

we made a fair wack of money with corp ops and buying high end's cheap in 0.0 and running them into empire - not billions but enough to buy a cap component BPO every other month. to hopefully move into carrier construction. about one week ago Agif "sold" Agif for a sum as he was low on funds. this was a surprise but at the time i thought nothing of it. then, excusing the pun, the **** hit the fan.

i logged on yesterday just after downtime to sort out the POS, to find my alts roles had been removed. after further inspection all alts and characters that i had and a friend had had there roles removed. this sparked a few alarm bells that i tried my best to explain away - but could not. after trying to get in contact with Agif i found that the Characters he controlled were moved out of the corps they were in. after emailing the character Roule it turned out that the char had been sold about a week ago - but not transferred for around a week - matching up to the past day when he actually left the corp. Me and a few other members of The Kennels searched the forums and found a few bids by his character for other characters and sale thread for Roule.

in closing. Roule has been sold to a third party, (sorry mate as you said - a rotten apple), N0bird is presumed to be still his, Agif i believe is also a third party. also the Char tha mast3r - more than likely will be recycled.

Approximate losses. roughly 6-7 billion in shareholders isk in the form of 2 freighter BPO's and Capital construction parts - upwards of 1 bilion in high end min's a liquid capital from the Devine Industries wallet.

while not the biggest scam/theft in the game - it hurts - he was a gay that over the past 8 months earn't my trust and friendship. these obviously meant nothing to him. as for the isk i lost myself - i don't care - i apologise to you all if you have lost out in this. my last words. Roule - i hope it was ****ing worth it.

Ricky Baby
Caldari
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.04.21 11:40:00 - [2]
 

Danielle Steele is my alt.

vyperpit
Gallente
EVE Employment Agency
Posted - 2007.04.21 12:01:00 - [3]
 

Shocked This comes as a complete shock to me, honestly. I didn't know Roule that well, but he didn't seem like the person to do something like this ugh

Eefrit
Gallente
Eve Financial Services
Posted - 2007.04.21 12:19:00 - [4]
 

Sorry to see another IPO turn out to be a scam. Sad

Dave White
Caldari
Interlude.
Posted - 2007.04.21 12:27:00 - [5]
 

I have lost a 4b investment and a good friend in this scam. I never expected him to backstab us like this after we've known eachother for so long.

Dearwin
Gallente
Atomic Battle Penguins
Posted - 2007.04.21 12:31:00 - [6]
 

Very rarely does anything shock me anymore in this game, but I certainly was when I heard this news, it has also never been quite so grim.

Kuentai
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.04.21 12:35:00 - [7]
 

If a man's character can be determined by the price he will betray for, Roule really came up short :/.

Naesse
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.04.21 12:40:00 - [8]
 

Do I dare say to any alliance out there that if you have a new/upcoming mothership pilot applying... well, could be him. Keep your assets close.

Ray McCormack
Caldari
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2007.04.21 12:40:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Kuentai
If a man's character can be determined by the price he will betray for, Roule really came up short :/.

Well, he seems to have managed to sell the character before it lost its reputation. So he's won on both counts. He's got full value for his character, and enough ISK now to buy another one without any reputation stains.

Seeing as the buyer didn't know of the reputation hit, could he claim unfair sale and get CCP to intervene?

Kuentai
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.04.21 12:41:00 - [10]
 

I meant out of game character, as in the guy as a person.

Ex0dus
Caldari
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.04.21 12:49:00 - [11]
 

Never would have expected this out of him. Sorry to anyone who lost out on this, especially losing a friend.

Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Minmatar
Moira.
Posted - 2007.04.21 12:54:00 - [12]
 

I think half of ex-BI had Roule as personal permanent -10 for a long time anyway.

The whole Irmalin crew were a bit rotten tbh. I guess fascination over Isk will corrupt as easily as anything.

Krugerrand
Minmatar
0utbreak
Outbreak.
Posted - 2007.04.21 12:55:00 - [13]
 

So, which char has walked away with the ISK?

Ray McCormack
Caldari
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2007.04.21 13:06:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Kuentai
I meant out of game character, as in the guy as a person.

Ah. Unfortunately that's worth bugger all in a virtual world.

Chewan Mesa
Amarr
Resurrection
Gentlemen's Club
Posted - 2007.04.21 13:09:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Krugerrand
So, which char has walked away with the ISK?


A char called hardwomen seems to have sold some of his chars. But he prolly has other chars peeps dont know of.

I knew Roule since 2006 in Beagle, and was as many others pretty shocked when I heard about this.

Everyone was aware he was working towards a mom, but that he'd sell 2-3 of his accounts, scam his friends for years with an IPO and then run away also betraying RL friends was beyond what anyone thought possible.

Ricky Baby
Caldari
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.04.21 13:37:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Krugerrand
So, which char has walked away with the ISK?


all indications show that n0bird got all the assets - if n0bird is still under his control is a different matter

Kuentai
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.04.21 13:47:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Kuentai
I meant out of game character, as in the guy as a person.

Ah. Unfortunately that's worth bugger all in a virtual world.



Someone you can trust to work with is of far more value than isk. Because if you work with someone you can't trust the you are inevitably making no isk because it is going to dissappear at some point :P.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2007.04.21 14:03:00 - [18]
 

Sorry to hear this. But Beagle had other known Corp-Thiefs, like Kali Cortez.

The sad thing in EVE is, that regardless what these people do to their friends. There are more then enough that do not care .

I am truely sorry about what happened to you and your IPO, but you can expect a full-flamefest from the "community" and the Thief will most likely find another corp.

Necronomicon
Caldari
The Weasels of Doom
Posted - 2007.04.21 14:33:00 - [19]
 

I am 50/50 whether or not I would petition this, and I will tell you why.

He has stolen from your corporation/alliance - Not illegal on its own.

He has sold his character(s) for gain - Not illegal either (unless for cash)

BUT, when you put the 2 togetehr in close timing, it could be said that without the scam part, he could ill afford to sell the characters, as buying similar skilled chars would put him back to square one. Therefore he has used ingame and out of game methods (selling the chars) to accomplish a profit. Also very dubious that he managed to time the sale of his chars so precisely unless he knew (or is indeed) the buyer of his own chars on another account.

Bit of a gray area, but I would try asking a GM on the ingame/out of game aspects.

Audri Fisher
Caldari
Burning Bush Enterprises
Posted - 2007.04.21 14:36:00 - [20]
 

This is why IPO's don't work well in eve. There is no risk in it, just a bunch of time that needs to be invested. With character laundering, it it impossible to hold the person accountable.

Chewan Mesa
Amarr
Resurrection
Gentlemen's Club
Posted - 2007.04.21 14:58:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Sorry to hear this. But Beagle had other known Corp-Thiefs, like Kali Cortez.



Sorry, but proof, or stfu.

Kali never stole anything from Beagle, nor attempted to. If you want to drag a name through the mud, and want to cause consequences for her, you better back it up with facts please.

Frothgar
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2007.04.21 16:27:00 - [22]
 

Looks like Roule's price for the ol Soul was a lot cheaper than anyone would have thought.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2007.04.21 16:49:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 21/04/2007 16:46:54
Quote:
Sorry, but proof, or stfu.


I never said she stole from Beagle. But she is a Thief. If you want to know from which corp she stole you only have to check our employment histories. Rolling Eyes

Kali can be pretty nice for a long time, until the moment she snaps and robs the corp blind because she felt so.

Oh, and the post I made was not about Kali. The only point was: Regardless how often you warn about a thief, they do not have to many problems finding a new corp.

Elliott Manchild
Gallente
Animosity.
Posted - 2007.04.21 16:51:00 - [24]
 

Cant believe ANYONE would do such a thing to mates for such a small amount of ISK.

Li Fei
Caldari
Ferinus Vis
Posted - 2007.04.21 17:09:00 - [25]
 

As an old friend to Agif, it's sad to see such event happen. Just lost all my respect if this is indeed true.

hardwomen
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.04.21 17:22:00 - [26]
 

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Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2007.04.21 17:45:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Sorry to hear this. But Beagle had other known Corp-Thiefs, like Kali Cortez.


I have known Kali for a year now....Not a thief...

proof or stfuRolling Eyes

Krugerrand
Minmatar
0utbreak
Outbreak.
Posted - 2007.04.21 17:58:00 - [28]
 

Interesting

James 315
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.04.21 18:18:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: hardwomen
I have had a promotion which takes too much time up and a new HOT girlfriend thats taking most of my spare time up.


Yes, but can she kickbox? Mad

Gabba
Gallente
Priory Of The Lemon
R0ADKILL
Posted - 2007.04.21 18:31:00 - [30]
 

You can only transfer characters when they are in the noobcorp, isnt selling the entire account against EULA?


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