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Mir'iam
Posted - 2007.04.19 16:18:00 - [1]
 

I've been doing lvl3 missions with my passive shield tanker domi with great success. I was thinking about moving to do lvl4 missions with same setup. Is it worth trying with passive shield setup?

My setup:

high: 3x med rails (Don't have skills for bigger guns yet), 1x tractor beam, 1x drone link augmentor, 1x heavy nos
med: 4x tl2 large extenders, 1x tl2 inv. field
low: 7x shield power relay
rigs: 3x core defence field purger I

If dominix is doomed to fail at passive tanking in lvl4's I will propably change to a myrmidon. Only problem with this is that I'm a little short of money at a moment and would really like to give my passive domi a try.

Darqion Zenix
Posted - 2007.04.19 16:24:00 - [2]
 

i doubt... it works

from what i read lvl 4s wont be done in passive tanks.. or even more so there are no real passive tanking BSs i believe

no resistances either with just 1 invul

Remedios Sonrisa
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2007.04.19 16:25:00 - [3]
 

/me waits for Pottsey to field passive tanking question....

If you have yet to try L4s, then allow me to warn you that it is nothing compared to L3s. A BS in L3 is like having a BC in L2s and cruiser in L1s.

Nonetheless, you can try it, and I would be interested in hearing of the results. It is neat to try something unconventional but I just think that for L4s, resist is the name of the game for tanking. If you want to introduce yourself to L4s, then avoid the hard ones like WC, AE, the Assault, and few others that have been mentioned repeatedly in this forum.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.04.19 17:13:00 - [4]
 

L4s can be done in a passive NOSDomi relatively easy.
A bit more trouble as in a Myrmidon (worse tank too), but the fact you can carry spare drones and the ability to field several heavy NOS makes it up for it.

Give up the med guns, they're not doing you much good, switch to "even more NOS" instead (it indirectly boosts your drone damage especially against larger targets by reducing their tank capability slowly but surely), and possibly add an afterburner too (to get/keep in NOS range).
Also, swap out the invul for a mission-specific hardner (unless it's a DG invul, then keep it). Heck, you can even remove an additional extender and add a second hardner (or invul), but then you really have to be NOSing targets constantly to keep up with the cap usage (well, it's advisable to do so anyway, so no big problem).


Wil Smithx
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.04.19 17:36:00 - [5]
 

firstly acording to forums you would be better off in a passive tank myrm which apparently is better than my megathron tank -.-

and anyways about the ''hard'' missions earlier mentioned. i think te assault is my favorite mission to do. so easy lol and so much bounty.

Kaylee Kaitlen
Gallente
Lutin Group
Posted - 2007.04.19 17:54:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Kaylee Kaitlen on 19/04/2007 17:55:15
I had been running a passive shield myr in Level 4's. I switched to a domi to get better DPS (since the bigger drone bay allows a full set of heavies PLUS some smaller drones). I went the standard armor tanked way, and I guess my skills just aren't up to snuff since I had to warp out a *lot* (once at 2% structure!).

Since I had all the shield tanking stuff laying around, just for fun, I fitted up my domi as follows:

2 x Drone Link Augmentor
4 x 425mm Compressed Coils

1 x Invulnerability Field
4 x LSE 2s

5 x SPR 2s
2 x PDS 2s

1 x CCC Rig (left over from my armor tank attempts)

I used Stainless Rat's Sentry drone approach, and found that I shredded most level 4 missions. In many cases, I was even able to take the BSs down with the senties + guns before taking any damage at all. The PDS + CCC setup kept the SPRs from gimping my cap recharge too badly -- I was able to run all the guns and hardener almost indefinitely without trouble. Frankly, I rarely even use the hardener, but the one time I did get heavy jip aggro made me decide to finish training for a type 2, which I think would make that a non-issue (might add a shield rig, too). I haven't tackled any of the really tough missions with this setup, but it's breezed through most of the average ones.

Definitely non-standard and I'm sure all the "pure" Gallente will kill me for doing this to a Domi, but I have a lot of fun with it. Wink

WredStorm
Posted - 2007.04.19 17:55:00 - [7]
 

If you're flying Gallente and want the best possible passive shield tank, I don't think you can beat the Myrmidon's, short of stepping up to something like an EOS or Ishtar (and even then I'm not sure they're that much better than the Myrmidon's).

You can passive shield tank the Domi, as you've obviously discovered, but you can definitely get higher shield regen rates out of the Myrmidon. Your trade off, basically, is the smaller drone bay and the difference in gun sizes, should you choose to mount guns on either setup.

Personally, I've run about 18 Level 4 missions (combat type) in my Myrmidon using a passive shield setup. I'm using two shield implants, 3x core defence field purger rigs, 5x shield power relay IIs, 1x power diag sys II, 1x invuln field II, and the rest of the mids are large shield extender IIs. In my highs I fit 1x civilian gatling gun (to get agro from a distance), 2x tractor, 2x salvager, and 1x NOS (to help power the salvagers/tractors without letting my cap go low). I could easily do away with the NOS... I just have a "thing" about keeping my cap topped off as much as possible. :)

You can check the link in my sig for the details of this setup and comparison to other Myrmidon options and some other ship options, too.

Wred

Kaylee Kaitlen
Gallente
Lutin Group
Posted - 2007.04.19 18:02:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: WredStorm
If you're flying Gallente and want the best possible passive shield tank, I don't think you can beat the Myrmidon's, short of stepping up to something like an EOS or Ishtar (and even then I'm not sure they're that much better than the Myrmidon's).

You can passive shield tank the Domi, as you've obviously discovered, but you can definitely get higher shield regen rates out of the Myrmidon. Your trade off, basically, is the smaller drone bay and the difference in gun sizes, should you choose to mount guns on either setup.


I agree 100% -- based on my experiments with a spreadsheet, I haven't been able to get a Domi to passive shield tank better than my Myr (not saying it's not doable, but I believe even Pottsey, the Queen of Passive Shield Tanking, stated that). However, level 4 missions were taking me forever to complete, so I went with the weaker tank in order to get more DPS.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2007.04.19 18:12:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 19/04/2007 18:09:33
The Myrmidon is better but thereís something special about the domi. I find 2 passive or active hardeners make a stronger tank then 1 invul field and 1 extender as long as itís a mission where the rats only deal 2 damage types. You really need an alt or friend as well for those extra hitpoints and implants fitted but the tank should be strong enough for lvl 4ís. The trick is the kill the big rats useing your large hitpoint pool at which point regen starts to get usefull.

If you use turrets I recommend 3 or 4 PDS.

With max skills, implants in a gang a 1000+ dps tank is doable.

Kaylee Kaitlen
Gallente
Lutin Group
Posted - 2007.04.19 18:37:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
Edited by: Pottsey on 19/04/2007 18:09:33
The Myrmidon is better but thereís something special about the domi. I find 2 passive or active hardeners make a stronger tank then 1 invul field and 1 extender as long as itís a mission where the rats only deal 2 damage types. You really need an alt or friend as well for those extra hitpoints and implants fitted but the tank should be strong enough for lvl 4ís. The trick is the kill the big rats useing your large hitpoint pool at which point regen starts to get usefull.

If you use turrets I recommend 3 or 4 PDS.

With max skills, implants in a gang a 1000+ dps tank is doable.



Good point. I fight Serpentis most of the time (Ken + Therm) so I swapped out an LSE and Invul for specific hardeners and was able to tank 17% more damage. Thanks!

Remedios Sonrisa
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2007.04.19 18:42:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Remedios Sonrisa on 19/04/2007 18:44:03
I used Stainless Rat's Sentry drone approach, and found that I shredded most level 4 missions. In many cases, I was even able to take the BSs down with the senties + guns before taking any damage at all.

Let's keep this on the down-low lest the nerf bat finds its way here.

Bellannaer
Posted - 2007.04.19 19:20:00 - [12]
 

Its kinda funny actually, the reason BSs aren't so great for passive tanks is because they have too much shields (well, actually, too long a recharge time, but they're related).

Mir'iam
Posted - 2007.04.19 23:59:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Mir''iam on 19/04/2007 23:58:36
After I got from work I went to test my dominix in lvl4 with my friend. I had passive tanker domi and my friend got armor tanker domi. The results were interesting...

We did smuggler interception where I acted as a tanker and my friend as a damage dealer. My friend had already cleaned out the first pocket so we went together straight to the second pocket. The second pocket contained 5 battleships, about 40 cruisers and some frigates. The whole pocket aggroed me so we had a battle starting straight away.

At first try my dominix lasted there about 3min which was enough for my friend to take down 3 battle ships. After I left my friend tried to fight there awhile but got too careless and got blown away after few minutes. I decided to go and save his wreck but my domi was doing so well that I ultimately cleared out all of the enemies without warping back.

After that mission we tried out few other missions without any trouble at all. My passive domi could just stand there and take all of the hit.

My experiences were that dominix can do lvl4 missions actually quite well. Can't tell yet how good it is for soloing but with some help it is very capable for pve.

My skills aren't even that good yet and i lack the tl2 shield power relays and still could tank there reasonably well. It seems that passive tanking is a good and considerable option for lvl 4 pve. Smile


 

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