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Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2007.04.18 13:07:00 - [1]
 

The great powers of the President, connected with his governance by favorites and flatterers, are a cause for concern to all who would wish to live freely in the universe. A dangerous council is collected from the great officers of state and the Ladistier system, if the remarks of one of the wisest men, drawn from the experience of mankind, may be credited, is the asylum of the base, idle, avaricious and ambitious.

The president cannot represent you because he is not of your own immediate choice. In adopting his government, you will incline to an arbitrary and odious aristocracy.

I warn you to beware of the fallacious resemblance that is held out to you by the advocates of this system between it and more representative local governments.

And here I cannot help remarking, that inexplicitness seems to pervade this whole political fabric: certainty in political compacts, the mother and nurse of repose and quietness, the want of which induced men to engage in political society, has ever been held by a wise and free people as essential to their security; as, on the one hand it fixes barriers which the ambitious and tyrannically disposed magistrate dare not overleap, and on the other, becomes a wall of safety to the community --otherwise stipulations between the governors and governed are nugatory; and you might as well deposit the important powers of legislation and execution in one or a few and permit them to govern according to their disposition and will; but the universe is too full of examples, which prove that to live by one man's will became the cause of all men's misery.

Before the existence of express political compacts it was reasonably implied that the magistrate should govern with wisdom and Justice, but mere implication was too feeble to restrain the unbridled ambition of a bad man, or afford security against negligence, cruelty, or any other defect of mind.

It is alleged that the opinions and manners of the people of Gallente Federation, are capable to resist and prevent an extension of prerogative or oppression; but you must recollect that opinion and manners are mutable, and may not always be a permanent obstruction against the encroachments of government; that the progress of a commercial society begets luxury, the parent of inequality, the foe to virtue, and the enemy to restraint; and that ambition and voluptuousness aided by flattery, will teach magistrates, where limits are not explicitly fixed to have separate and distinct interests from the people, besides it will not be denied that government assimilates the manners and opinions of the community to it.

Therefore, a general presumption that rulers will govern well is not a sufficient security. You are then under a sacred obligation to provide for the safety of your posterity, and would you now basely desert their interests, when by a small share of prudence you may transmit to them a beautiful political patrimony, that will prevent the necessity of their traveling through seas of blood to obtain that, which your wisdom might have secured.

It is a duty the Intaki owe likewise to our own reputation, for we have a great name to lose; we are characterized as cautious, prudent and jealous in politics; whence is it therefore, that we have precipitated ourselves into a sea of uncertainty, and adopted a system which has discarded so many of our valuable rights.

Is it because we did not believe that an Gallentean could be a tyrant? If this was the case we rested on a weak basis; Gallenteans are like other men in similar situations, when the manners and opinions of the community are changed by the causes I mentioned before, and their political compact inexplicit, their posterity will find that great power connected with ambition, luxury, and flattery, will as readily produce a tyrants in Federation, as the same causes did in the empires throughout history.

Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2007.04.18 13:07:00 - [2]
 

But the next thing to be considered is the erection of the Senate, and its various powers and objects of legislation. The most general objections to the Senate are that elections are not held annually; that the legislature and president are improperly connected, as to the making of ordinances, which are to become the supreme law of the land; and that standing armies may be established, and appropriation of money made for their support from all systems while universal protection is not offered.

It may be remarked that a well digested democracy has this advantage over all others, to wit, that it affords to many the opportunity to be advanced to the supreme command, and the honors they thereby enjoy fill them with a desire of rendering themselves worthy of them; hence this desire becomes part of their education, is matured in manhood, and produces an ardent affection for their country, and it is the opinion of the great thinkers that this is in a great measure produced by annual election of magistrates.

If annual elections were to exist in this government, and learning and information to become more prevalent, you never will want men to execute whatever you could design -- a well governed state is as fruitful to all good purposes as the seven headed serpent is said to have been in evil; when one head is cut off, many rise up in the place of it.

It is also thought that free cities by frequent elections of magistrates became nurseries of great and able men, every man endeavoring to excel others, that he might be advanced to the honor he had no other title to, than what might arise from his merit, or reputation. But the framers of this “perfect government,” as it is called, have departed from this democratical principle, and established five-year terms for the senate.

It is also a very important objection to this government, that the representation consists of so few; too few to resist the influence of corruption, and the temptation to treachery, against which all governments ought to take precautions.

The history of representation in government is briefly this: before the institution of legislating by deputies, the whole free part of the community usually met for that purpose; when this became impossible by the increase of numbers the community was divided into districts, from each of which was sent such a number of deputies as was a complete representation of the various numbers and orders of citizens within them; but can it be asserted with truth, that 881 men can be a complete and full representation of the numbers and various orders of the people in this Federation?

Another thing that may be suggested against the small number of representatives is, that but few of you will have the chance of sharing even in this branch of the legislature; and that the choice will be confined to a very few; the more complete it is, the better will your interests be preserved, and the greater the opportunity you will have to participate in government, one of the principal securities of a free people.

Wren
Minmatar
x13
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.04.18 18:58:00 - [3]
 

*Wren tries to start one of those slow claps that leads to the standing ovations.

Jack Malus
Gallente
Gladiators of Rage
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2007.04.18 20:58:00 - [4]
 

Another random collection of antiquated ideas.

Interestingly this is you four months ago:

Originally by: "Saxon Hawke"
As for your point that many Intaki do not rally to our cause, I have never taken the stance that the Federation is bad for all Intaki. It simply fails to provide for the safety and economic well-being of the Intaki System and others like it in the Placid Region.


Word salads aside, your tone has taken on a much more odious flavor and now extends beyond the Placid region to encompass the entire Federation.


Tablaren
Knights of Kador
The Black Armada
Posted - 2007.04.18 21:48:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Wren
*Wren tries to start one of those slow claps that leads to the standing ovations.



*feels wierd about it but follows the matari terrorist in the applause* Shocked

Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2007.04.18 22:01:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Saxon Hawke on 19/04/2007 03:20:52
Mr. Malus,

With the passage of time, even so brief a span as four months, one can hope to improve himself through all manner of exercises. And, as certainly as exercise of the body physical will cause it to grow, exercising one’s cerebral functions will expand the breadth and depth of your thoughts.

If my tone seems to you more odious perhaps it is because it is tinged more deeply with the abysmal decay the Federation has allowed to feast up the ripe fruit that is the Placid Region. Perhaps that which you find so abhorrent is the fetid stench of the moral repugnance that allows piracy to flourish in the home system of the Intaki people.

As for the antiquity of my ideas, let us forget not that the pertinent matter at hand is a system of federal government that was spawned and set loose upon the general populace three centuries ago. If anything is antiquated, it is the litany of pro-federalist dogma that you and those like you would follow blindly.

I do not now nor will I ever claim to speak for all Intaki people. There are certainly those who set their fortunes far more firmly with you and your ilk. But for those of us who try to carve a living among the stars of our ancestors, the Federation has done nothing to court our favor.

As I cast my gaze over the political landscape these many months, it has become clearer each day the problem does not rest with the boarders of the Placid Region. It is plainly systemic of the Federal system of the Republic, which does not provide adequate representation to ensure the safety, happiness and satisfaction of the people of its outlying regions.

What I cannot fathom, good sir, is why so many Gallente become concerned about the affairs of the Intaki System only when the matter of secession is discussed. Why is it that our cries for support went so long ignored and only the shouts for self determination rang through?

Jon Engel
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2007.04.19 03:37:00 - [7]
 

It is very simple Saxon. The Gallente as a whole care about themselves and noone else. They beleive themselves to be some saviour to the lesser races of the Gallente Empire. We are but peasants meant to toil and work for them so that the Gallente flag may wave victorious throughout the History books.

The arrogance and naiveness of the populace will conflict one day. The rifles will be greased. The bayonets will be sharpened. The boots will make a thunderous roar throughout the homelands, as we will finally secure our homes and protect our people from these vile acts of cohersion propagated in the false name of Freedom and friendship.

Will you Saxon defend your people when the time comes and they go house to house and take our weapons? Will you defend your people when the Gallente come to your cities and declare marshall law? Will you fight back when they herd us into "cultural Habitats"?

What will you do when that time comes? Not just to Saxon, but to any interested party. What will you risk? What will you sacrifice?

Ikasu
Gallente
Scrutari
Posted - 2007.04.19 06:36:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Jon Engel
It is very simple Saxon. The Gallente as a whole care about themselves and noone else. They beleive themselves to be some saviour to the lesser races of the Gallente Empire. We are but peasants meant to toil and work for them so that the Gallente flag may wave victorious throughout the History books.

The arrogance and naiveness of the populace will conflict one day. The rifles will be greased. The bayonets will be sharpened. The boots will make a thunderous roar throughout the homelands, as we will finally secure our homes and protect our people from these vile acts of cohersion propagated in the false name of Freedom and friendship.

Will you Saxon defend your people when the time comes and they go house to house and take our weapons? Will you defend your people when the Gallente come to your cities and declare marshall law? Will you fight back when they herd us into "cultural Habitats"?

What will you do when that time comes? Not just to Saxon, but to any interested party. What will you risk? What will you sacrifice?


Look, i've been trying to stay out of the recent anti Gallente arguments mostly because I don't have the time, or hell even the time to really come to Galnet for more then a few minutes. But damn it all, I have to ask, how many drugs are you on?!

I have never seen Gallentean officials barge into someones home and so brutally remove weapons and freedoms, and your blatant accusation that we, as a people, only care about ourselves is insulting. Hundreds of programs exist to help the poor, the homeless, and god only knows how many minmater shelters are located throughout our space for refugees. The only real internal force that actively opposes the Federation are two specific Intaki influinced terrorist organizations in specific, and they are far in the minority.

I'll excuse you whilst you go back into your dream world.

Souvera Corvus
THE PAROXYSM
Session Changes
Posted - 2007.04.20 04:09:00 - [9]
 

Not a great believer in annual elections. It would be virtually impossible for anyone to construct a manifesto, campaign on it and enact it within a legislative year. It would, in my view be a recipe for weak governance and no less susceptible to politicians of the wrong sort.

Indeed, it could be argued that it would be more susceptible to such on the basis that, in the knowledge that next to nothing could ever be achieved, more of those with the express wish to do nothing would seek office.

The social contract would remain much the same in such a system of governance as outlined here. People would accept compromising their personal freedoms for the security that the state provides.

The machinery of government in the Federation concerns me a little less than the programme of leglislation that travels through it.


Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.04.20 04:14:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Saxon Hawke
Is it because we did not believe that an Gallentean could be a tyrant? If this was the case we rested on a weak basis; Gallenteans are like other men in similar situations, when the manners and opinions of the community are changed by the causes I mentioned before, and their political compact inexplicit, their posterity will find that great power connected with ambition, luxury, and flattery, will as readily produce a tyrants in Federation, as the same causes did in the empires throughout history.


Somewhere in that verbal gobblede****, you've basically said "Well, they tried crushing the Caldari and it didn't work. Maybe they learned their lesson..."

You failed to assess just how blinding ambition can be.


 

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